Marc Bergevin Thread -- How you Drouin?

[417]

As long as you understand the Habs do not have a replacement for Plekanecs, we are all good.

The premise of the argument is planning. You don't plan to replace the production of a once former top6 C, with a player that can produce the way he does in the worst season of his career.

I am at a loss for what you think you understand about this discussion.

They (De La Rose, McCarron, Danault) won't need too, because they won't be miscast as 2nd line centers, playing 1st line (hopefully) They will be appropriately used as bottom 6 players. So no, I don't expect 20+ goals...that will be for guys like Galchenyuk, Lehkonen, Drouin and whoever we're able to bring in as top 6 centers

What I'm arguing right now is that the Habs have an in-house replacement for the PLAYER THAT TOMAS PLEKANEC IS TODAY. He provides very little offense and good defensive play, we can get that from Philip Danault.

Does that mean I think Danault is a top 6C?? NO
Does that mean I think Danault is going to be a better player than Plekanec was in his prime?? NO
Does that mean I think we don't need top 6C's? HELL NO!

Who cares what he WAS...Bergevin needs to get 2 top 6C's...everyone knows that.

What I said was that we have players who can replace Tomas Plekanec TODAY...

Tomas Plekanec TODAY, is NOT a top 6 player

There ARE signs of Plekanec being properly replaced (FOR THE PLAYER HE IS TODAY, NOT THE PLAYER HE WAS 10YRS AGO, THE SEARCH CONTINUES FOR THAT).

I don't even know what to say anymore... I NEVER argued we don't need a prime Plekanec or someone like him on this team.

My post was in response to replacing Plekanec TODAY, who is way past his prime. We have someone to replace the player Plekanec is TODAY...the search to replace the player Plekanec WAS, is on-going.

Those are all quotes that I've had on this discussion with you...and you STILL don't understand that we agree. You're STILL challenging me on this.

At one point, I have to walk away. Only God can help you now.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Guys. Please stop the quote farming.

Even your (lack of) formatting is irritating.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Those are all quotes that I've had on this discussion with you...and you STILL don't understand that we agree. You're STILL challenging me on this.

At one point, I have to walk away. Only God can help you now.

If we agree, why have you continued to talk about the production of Plekanec today?

My argument is about planning, and watching Plekanec's career crumble down around him without even so much safety net (the safety net could be any possible would be top6 center with some offensive upside to possibly fill a void if Plekanecs slipped). Not done.

I don't have a single inclination towards Plekanec. He did what he had to do and his career appears to be very close to the end unless a team wants a defensive specialist center on a very cheap contract.

What I am arguing, in an MB thread no less, is that the Habs continue to be ill prepared. Trading Sergachev for another winger... Pretty ridiculous until you listen to his name being pronounced. MB has a lot of work to do, but none of the work he is doing today was a plan he set in motion years ago. He is action/reaction. Which is why I think he is a terrible GM.

We have come full circle!

 

[Sorinth]

Maybe because he was playing with Namestnikov and Killorn 5on5 ?

Isn't that the point.

If he's going to play with guys like Danault then he has similar quality linemates 5on5 but now is on a team that has a worse PP.

 

[Belial]

Isn't that the point.

If he's going to play with guys like Danault then he has similar quality linemates 5on5 but now is on a team that has a worse PP.

I'm pretty confident he will play with better linemates than Namestnikov and Killorn...

 

[417]

Guys. Please stop the quote farming.

Even your (lack of) formatting is irritating.

I've run out of ways to try to make him understand we're talking about the same thing.

But I'm done now

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

I've run out of ways to try to make him understand we're talking about the same thing.

But I'm done now

Apparently we were never talking about the same thing. My Haitian friends are on vacation in Jamaica this week, I guess I used you for our daily barking match

 

[the valiant effort]

Guys. Please stop the quote farming.

Even your (lack of) formatting is irritating.

Please let them finish, we're about to get it all squared away.

 

[Sorinth]

I'm pretty confident he will play with better linemates than Namestnikov and Killorn...

Last season out of his 997:43 5on5 TOI he spent 355:56 with Killorn and 184:44 with Namestnikov. So it's not even like he spent a huge amount of time with them.

 

[MXD]

So Drouin is the next scapegoat? How cute.

 

[Belial]

Last season out of his 997:43 5on5 TOI he spent 355:56 with Killorn and 184:44 with Namestnikov. So it's not even like he spent a huge amount of time with them.

Ok man, you can add Filppula and Boyle to his most common linemates...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Im getting too old for this back n forth quoting, I feel like Markov come playoff time, i dont even know what is being argued!

 

[jaffy27]

Last season out of his 997:43 5on5 TOI he spent 355:56 with Killorn and 184:44 with Namestnikov. So it's not even like he spent a huge amount of time with them.

The endless quest to bash Drouin who hasn't even played a minute of hockey for the habs yet has begun......

Let's dissect how bad he is or could be

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Im getting too old for this back n forth quoting, I feel like Markov come playoff time, i dont even know what is being argued!

You and me both.

I thought I was painting a picture about poor planning from MB, however it may have been interpreted more like a Picasso

 

[deandebean]

Guys. Please stop the quote farming.

Even your (lack of) formatting is irritating.

I stopped reading about a week ago, when the see-saw started. I'm waiting for my news fix over the next 10 days, then I'll try to hibernate from this forum if this quoting-à-gogo continues. The 'he said she said' is irritating to say the least.

Like my father used to say: 'Y'ont du temps à perdre en crisse'.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The endless quest to bash Drouin who hasn't even played a minute of hockey for the habs yet has begun......

Let's dissect how bad he is or could be

Well, to be fair, the same people bashing Galchenyuk are those making excuses for Drouin's production. It's unfair to do it to one and not the other.

I'm optimistic that Drouin can be what I saw in him when he was drafted and what I saw in the Mooseheads.

That being said, people bash Galchenyuk for: off-ice issues, his production, and his defensive play

When:
Drouin's personality off the ice has not been very strong: He allegedly punched holes in the walls of his Billet family's homes, allegedly he had to spend time in different Billets while in Halifax, and allegedly he would miss curfew in junior and allegedly had drinking issues (can corroborate this with sources, if a Mod wants)
He sulked when sent to Halifax post draft.
He had a hold out with Tampa Bay.

His production is no better than Galchenyuk's.

His defensive play is subpar.

They are too players, a year a part, with similar knocks against them. So if you're giving one rope, give the other rope as well. They are talented kids who need to brought along properly.

 

[417]

I stopped reading about a week ago, when the see-saw started. I'm waiting for my news fix over the next 10 days, then I'll try to hibernate from this forum if this quoting-à-gogo continues. The 'he said she said' is irritating to say the least.

Like my father used to say: 'Y'ont du temps à perdre en crisse'.

apologize for my role in that..i'm a person with a lot of pride, need to learn that not ever battle is worth fighting.

At least I know it

Will try to improve on that.

 

[Sorinth]

The endless quest to bash Drouin who hasn't even played a minute of hockey for the habs yet has begun......

Let's dissect how bad he is or could be

So bringing up basic facts is considered bashing?

Ok man, you can add Filppula and Boyle to his most common linemates...

Well Filppula had a 50ish point pace before being traded. So he isn't offensively inept.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The endless quest to bash Drouin who hasn't even played a minute of hockey for the habs yet has begun......

Let's dissect how bad he is or could be

Endless quest... you're saying that like the whole board is after Drouin.

 

[E82]

Endless quest... you're saying that like the whole board is after Drouin.

MB'ers victim mentality.

 

[Lshap]

You and me both.

I thought I was painting a picture about poor planning from MB, however it may have been interpreted more like a Picasso

Picasso-esque descriptions would work if we still had Francis Bouillon because we could discuss... (wait for it)...


... cubism.

 

[jaffy27]

Last season out of his 997:43 5on5 TOI he spent 355:56 with Killorn and 184:44 with Namestnikov. So it's not even like he spent a huge amount of time with them.

So bringing up basic facts is considered bashing?



Well Filppula had a 50ish point pace before being traded. So he isn't offensively inept.

Basic facts eh??....im sure these numbers came off the top of your head....seems to me there was quite of bit of googling and research to show Drouin was playing with good linemates so to make his point total look not as good......

But please.....carry on

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Picasso-esque descriptions would work if we still had Francis Bouillon because we could discuss... (wait for it)...


... cubism.

Never say I didn't set you up for a good pun

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

Basic facts eh??....im sure these numbers came off the top of your head....seems to me there was quite of bit of googling and research to show Drouin was playing with good linemates so to make his point total look not as good......

But please.....carry on

They are basic facts. Just because he had to dig, doesn't change the fact that all he is showing is who were Drouins linemates.

Nothing to be upset over.

 

[NobleSix]

So there was an interview with Pierre Gervais (Canadiens equipment managers) that was published today, and I found it kind of interesting that MB is "very involved" in the process of number selection for new players. Even going so far as to pick the numbers for players.

I know people on here have posted wondering why the team seems to recycle numbers so often and what the team policy is regarding numbers, so I thought I'd share this since I don't think it's been revealed before today.

Q: "How do you assign jersey numbers?"

A: "Marc Bergevin is pretty involved in how the numbers get chosen for players who are with us for the full season. Some general managers are, some aren't. Marc likes being involved in the decisions on numbers. Not in training camp, but when a new player arrives, he is. If we sign a new player, we'll call him and I'll tell him what's available. Generally, Marc will choose for the the player, unless he sends me a request. If he really wants a certain number - as long as it's not retired - I'll tell Marc, but he has the final say."

Marc sounds like a control freak lol