Marc Bergevin Thread -- How you Drouin?

[417]

So we have no centers that can score, and the ones we draft in the 1st and 2nd round don't need to put up points. What are you trying to prove here? You think Plekanec is washed up, so do I. That's the problem, we have no one to replace what he gave this team in his prime, and it's the biggest problem this team has.

Forgive me if I don't give a **** about this whole "not going to play these guys in the top6, because they aren't top6". Plekanec was a top6 center, and the Habs have none. That's the end of this discussion.

Wow replacing Plekanec when he is at his worst. What a brilliant GM the Habs have...

LMAO

Who cares what he WAS...Bergevin needs to get 2 top 6C's...everyone knows that.

What I said was that we have players who can replace Tomas Plekanec TODAY...

Tomas Plekanec TODAY, is NOT a top 6 player

Wow...I've rarely seen an example of someone missing the point more than this little needless back and forth we've just had here

Can someone step in here and help me out? It doesn't seem that complicated what I'm saying.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

If MB is replacing the Plekanec of today, this is more proof at how MB is reactionary.

This is what you quoted:

I don't doubt he must've gotten better at his job. Only a complete dolt would not learn at least somewhat from his mistakes. But I highly doubt the man has developed a better vision of what is needed and to plan accordingly. Think about it, Plekanec and Markov have been creeping towards old age and inefficiency for several years now and yet, there's no sign of either of them being properly replaced. The man is reactionary. That's his grand master plan.

Your argument that Plekanec will have his 34 year old, 28 point season replaced further proves Ozymandias argument.

It's very clear what Ozymandias was arguing. This is how you choose to answer him:

Not sure I agree with that...

There are more than capable internal replacements for Plekanec in Danault/McCarron/De la Rose.

Now you follow up with this:

wow...what the hell is going on here???

YOU have no idea what I'M arguing??? Seriously???

Am I that unpopular that people can just go on crazy rants that make no sense, and I'M the one who doesn't make sense???

What I argued was very clear, and I reiterated it and you STILL don't get...not only do you still not get it, you've moved the discussion to something completely unrelated

I'VE BEEN ARGUIG THE NEED FOR TOP 6 CENTERS FOR FREAKING YEARS!!!!

What I'm arguing right now is that the Habs have an in-house replacement for the PLAYER THAT TOMAS PLEKANEC IS TODAY. He provides very little offense and good defensive play, we can get that from Philip Danault.

Does that mean I think Danault is a top 6C?? NO
Does that mean I think Danault is going to be a better player than Plekanec was in his prime?? NO
Does that mean I think we don't need top 6C's? HELL NO!

So clearly you are the one who missed the point. We need prime Plekanec, or someone like him.

 

[417]

If MB is replacing the Plekanec of today, this is more proof at how MB is reactionary.

AGREED!!! Hell, has there been anyone here more vocal about the need to replace Plekanec over the years than I??

Are you seriously trying to make this argument, WITH ME???

Your argument that Plekanec will have his 34 year old, 28 point season replaced further proves Ozymandias argument.

It's very clear what Ozymandias was arguing. This is how you choose to answer him:

I think in your haste to try to argue with me, simply because you saw my username, you missed THIS part of his post

there's no sign of either of them being properly replaced

There ARE signs of Plekanec being properly replaced (FOR THE PLAYER HE IS TODAY, NOT THE PLAYER HE WAS 10YRS AGO, THE SEARCH CONTINUES FOR THAT).

He traded for Danault, who I think will make a fine 3rd line center...I think McCarron & De la Rose both also have the makings of making solid 3rd line centers

Now you follow up with this:



So clearly you are the one who missed the point. We need prime Plekanec, or someone like him

I don't even know what to say anymore... I NEVER argued we don't need a prime Plekanec or someone like him on this team.

My post was in response to replacing Plekanec TODAY, who is way past his prime. We have someone to replace the player Plekanec is TODAY...the search to replace the player Plekanec WAS, is on-going.

Do you realize we've spent all this time arguing something we actually agree on? All because you see my username and you have a need to get confrontational...I even agreed with Ozymadias point, like this is ridiculous. This is happening all over the board, some of you need to get over this confrontational habit you have with me, or perhaps, I need to revise my approach, that's fine. But jeez...I couldn't of been anymore clearer here.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

AGREED!!! Hell, has there been anyone here more vocal about the need to replace Plekanec over the years than I??

Are you seriously trying to make this argument, WITH ME???


I think in your haste to try to argue with me, simply because you saw my username, you missed THIS part of his post



There ARE signs of Plekanec being properly replaced (FOR THE PLAYER HE IS TODAY, NOT THE PLAYER HE WAS 10YRS AGO, THE SEARCH CONTINUES FOR THAT).

He traded for Danault, who I think will make a fine 3rd line center...I think McCarron & De la Rose both also have the makings of making solid 3rd line centers




I don't even know what to say anymore

I don't care about you, or anyone else on this board. When someone says MB doesn't have plan and he is only reactionary I agree with them 100%.

When someone answers that post with "No we can replace the worst Plekanec has ever given the Habs with 1 of these 3 bottom 6 players" it further proves the point that MB has no plan and is reactionary.

Get over yourself.

 

[417]

I don't care about you, or anyone else on this board. When someone says MB doesn't have plan and he is only reactionary I agree with them 100%.

As did I...since I posted that for the last 2-3yrs, the Habs have been spinning in circles and I haven't seen what his plan is.

Those were my EXACT words

When someone answers that post with "No we can replace the worst Plekanec has ever given the Habs with 1 of these 3 bottom 6 players" it further proves the point that MB has no plan and is reactionary.

Once more, I agreed with him that he's reactionary...all I did was point out that as of today, we do have someone who can replace Plekanec internally, in Danault.

Get over yourself

Nah...I'm good

 

[Rockomax]

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[Sorinth]

Thee is a lot if things that point Drouin being, a ****ing lot, better than galchenyuk.

I could not care less about their stat line, anybody who followed these two since their first junior year know how much more better and dominant Drouin is.

Care to list all these things? Because Galchenyuk has looked much better in the NHL then Drouin.

 

[jaffy27]

problem with bargain-bin - and i invite anyone to rebuke me
is that he looks like he's just making it up as he goes along. i see
no plan. none

He's running an NHL team, not a hockey pool.

This notion that he's making it up as he goes is preposterous. Even little Susie who's running the lemonade stand has a plan.....come on man.

some things you must improvise of course, there's no way people knew Drouin would be available just like Yzerman had no clue Sergachev would be available....but the billion dollar business has a plan man. To think otherwise is proof of wearing the grey doom and gloom glasses.

 

[expy]

Who exactly? You know he played on a line with Killorn and Namestnikov, right? Both of those guys are subpar offensive talents.

Half his production was on the powerplay with the offensive players.

 

[LaP]

Half his production was on the powerplay with the offensive players.

Offensive players produce while playing with other offensive players unless their family name is Crosby, Malkin, Thornton. News at 11.

 

[Belial]

Half his production was on the powerplay with the offensive players.

Maybe because he was playing with Namestnikov and Killorn 5on5 ?

 

[jaffy27]

Offensive players produce while playing with other offensive players unless their family name is Crosby, Malkin, Thornton. News at 11.

They have it up on CNN and BBC World too......

 

[NotProkofievian]

They have it up on CNN and BBC World too......

#fakenews.

 

[Kriss E]

I don't understand this line of thinking, you and others have...

Philip Danault doesn't need to be as good as Plekanec was when he was 30yrs old because we don't want another situation where we have a guy playing in a situation he's not built for.

Philip Danault just needs to be the best #3C he can be...he doesn't need to be the 2nd line, acting in 1st line C, that Plekanec was for years.

We have to get away from that blueprint, the one we've been using with Plekanec, and that we used with Koivu before him..

What are you talking about man? Plekanec was a 2nd line center (or #1B), we need to replace that. Getting one and relying on him to lead the team like we have in the past is a strategic mistake, sure, and we shouldn't do that.
That's why people keep talking about a top center. But we would still need a center like Plekanec in a #2 role, a good two way center who can put up 50-55pts.
Nobody is talking about replacing the Plek of last year, the two way 30pt guy, Danault is the obviously the one to fit this role.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

What are you talking about man? Plekanec was a 2nd line center (or #1B), we need to replace that. Getting one and relying on him to lead the team like we have in the past is a strategic mistake, sure, and we shouldn't do that.
That's why people keep talking about a top center. But we would still need a center like Plekanec in a #2 role, a good two way center who can put up 50-55pts.
Nobody is talking about replacing the Plek of last year, the two way 30pt guy, Danault is the obviously the one to fit this role.

MB should have never had a plan in place to replace the 20g, 50 point center that Plekanec was for 7 out 8 seasons. No need for that, we have 3 centers that can replace him now that he has completely bowed out. I don't know why everyone in Habs land isn't excited about have De La Rose, McCarron and Danault who can all replace his 10g, 28 point season. What a marvelous feat the Habs GM accomplished.

 

[417]

What are you talking about man? Plekanec was a 2nd line center (or #1B), we need to replace that. Getting one and relying on him to lead the team like we have in the past is a strategic mistake, sure, and we shouldn't do that.
That's why people keep talking about a top center. But we would still need a center like Plekanec in a #2 role, a good two way center who can put up 50-55pts.
Nobody is talking about replacing the Plek of last year, the two way 30pt guy, Danault is the obviously the one to fit this role.

See that's the thing...that's what I was talking about, others were talking about something else

Clearly a lapse in communication..

It's cool

You're just reiterating what I've been saying, I'm not sure why we're still talking about this.

I can literally copy and paste where I said EXACTLY what you just wrote.

You say I'm always playing the victims card, but clearly, there's a reason...

 

[417]

MB should have never had a plan in place to replace the 20g, 50 point center that Plekanec was for 7 out 8 seasons. No need for that, we have 3 centers that can replace him now that he has completely bowed out. I don't know why everyone in Habs land isn't excited about have De La Rose, McCarron and Danault who can all replace his 10g, 28 point season. What a marvelous feat the Habs GM accomplished.

You still don't get it...you realize that KrissE is just reiterating what I was saying right?

I guess you agree with the message...just not the messenger

Serenity now

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

You still don't get it...you realize that KrissE is just reiterating what I was saying right?

I guess you agree with the message...just not the messenger

Serenity now

Yes he agreed with your point completely, yet he started his post with "What are you talking about man?"...

You for real?

Everybody here who thinks MB is doing a terrible job cares that Plekanec WAS a top6 center. You are the only one arguing that it is the Plekanec at 34 years old that will be replaced by one of Danault, De La Rose or McCarron. My argument, Ozymandias argument, Kriss E argument is that we should have planned for Plekanec to fall out of the top6 and have someone ready to take his place. The Habs have poorly planned for this and now we are stuck with 3 centers that cannot be used in the top6.

 

[417]

Yes he agreed with your point completely, yet he started his post with "What are you talking about man?"...

You for real?

Read his post...I will go and find my post where I'm saying the EXACT SAME THING.

KrissE must of missed it, he has an excuse, you however.

Hold on a minute...I'll post both of our messages together and you tell me what the difference is.

Standby

 

[jaffy27]

Read his post...I will go and find my post where I'm saying the EXACT SAME THING.

KrissE must of missed it, he has an excuse, you however.

Hold on a minute...I'll post both of our messages together and you tell me what the difference is.

Standby

This is exciting.....(my $$$$ on 417 being right )

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

This is exciting.....(my $$$$ on 417 being right )

Keep in mind this is the argument his is trying to prove:

There are more than capable internal replacements for Plekanec in Danault/McCarron/De la Rose.

Based on this comment from Ozymandias:

I don't doubt he must've gotten better at his job. Only a complete dolt would not learn at least somewhat from his mistakes. But I highly doubt the man has developed a better vision of what is needed and to plan accordingly. Think about it, Plekanec and Markov have been creeping towards old age and inefficiency for several years now and yet, there's no sign of either of them being properly replaced. The man is reactionary. That's his grand master plan.

Plekanec a former top6 center, with 7 20g and 50 or more point seasons, being properly replaced by Danault/McCarron/De la Rose? No.

Replacing a washed up 34 year old Plekanec is easy. No plan needed for that. Dump him, bring in some young player that needs to play to earn his ice time.

 

[417]

Yes he agreed with your point completely, yet he started his post with "What are you talking about man?"...

You for real?

Everybody here who thinks MB is doing a terrible job cares that Plekanec WAS a top6 center. You are the only one arguing that it is the Plekanec at 34 years old that will be replaced by one of Danault, De La Rose or McCarron. My argument, Ozymandias argument, Kriss E argument is that we should have planned for Plekanec to fall out of the top6 and have someone ready to take his place. The Habs have poorly planned for this and now we are stuck with 3 centers that cannot be used in the top6.

Post from KrissE (which you were all too glad to co-sign on)

What are you talking about man? Plekanec was a 2nd line center (or #1B), we need to replace that. Getting one and relying on him to lead the team like we have in the past is a strategic mistake, sure, and we shouldn't do that.
That's why people keep talking about a top center. But we would still need a center like Plekanec in a #2 role, a good two way center who can put up 50-55pts.
Nobody is talking about replacing the Plek of last year, the two way 30pt guy, Danault is the obviously the one to fit this role[/B]. [/B]

Here's one of my MANY posts that I had back and forth with you (I took this one, but it could of been a number of them)

I don't even know what to say anymore... I NEVER argued we don't need a prime Plekanec or someone like him on this team.

My post was in response to replacing Plekanec TODAY, who is way past his prime. We have someone to replace the player Plekanec is TODAY...the search to replace the player Plekanec WAS, is on-going.

KrissE and I BOTH acknowledge

- That Danault is more than adequate to replace Plekanec (the 2017 version of Plekanec) today.
- We BOTH acknowledge that Bergevin has YET to replace the Plekanec who used to be a #1B 2 way center.

Are we done here???

I've said it before, there was some miscommunication...it's fine, it's over. Move on..

Don't even bother responding unless it's to discuss something else.

 

[417]

Keep in mind this is the argument his is trying to prove:



Based on this comment from Ozymandias:



Plekanec a former top6 center, with 7 20g and 50 or more point seasons, being properly replaced by Danault/McCarron/De la Rose? No.

Replacing a washed up 34 year old Plekanec is easy. No plan needed for that. Dump him, bring in some young player that needs to play to earn his ice time.

You just don't get it...let's PLEASE JUST MOVE ON

Post made just a few posts up by myself

There ARE signs of Plekanec being properly replaced (FOR THE PLAYER HE IS TODAY, NOT THE PLAYER HE WAS 10YRS AGO, THE SEARCH CONTINUES FOR THAT).

It doesn't matter if I write it in bold or big letters...you just don't get it

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

You just don't get it...let's PLEASE JUST MOVE ON

As long as you understand the Habs do not have a replacement for Plekanecs, we are all good.

The premise of the argument is planning. You don't plan to replace the production of a once former top6 C, with a player that can produce the way he does in the worst season of his career.

I am at a loss for what you think you understand about this discussion.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

You just don't get it...let's PLEASE JUST MOVE ON

Post made just a few posts up by myself

It doesn't matter if I write it in bold or big letters...you just don't get it

The disconnect is that you continue to argue Plekanec, where I use Plekanec as my argument that MB is a poor planner.

Disconnect connected.