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Treb said:
Praises the pro scouts :laugh:

Sure did a great job with the Semin, Bri�re, PAP, Matteau, DSP, Shaw.

But I guess it's all on the amateur scouting...
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Yup. Leclerc is arguing that it's been pro scouting that has helped salvage what the other components have not provided. Basically, Bergevin's been flying off the seat of his pants.
 
Runner77 said:
Yup. Leclerc is arguing that it's been pro scouting that has helped salvage what the other components have not provided. Basically, Bergevin's been flying off the seat of his pants.
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It seemed like he had a vision coming into the job but after every year goes by it is becoming more apparent that he is wild

The Subban trade was a real weird one. But at least they got a real top pair guy in return though older. The Drouin trade was great in that the habs got a top end guy who is young and fits the bill as French Canadian.

To me this second trade should make Pacioretty expendable for a center and Galchenyuk for a dman.

And after the season Radulov had, pumping Galchenyuk first half than Pacioretty, then he was by far the best forward during the playoffs and he is the guy they are questioning bringing back??? Seriously mind my abbreviation but wtf?
 
sheed36 said:
His purple pants? :)
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Those. "It's a bird, it's a plane ... it's Stupor Man."

blarneylad said:
It seemed like he had a vision coming into the job but after every year goes by it is becoming more apparent that he is wild

The Subban trade was a real weird one. But at least they got a real top pair guy in return though older. The Drouin trade was great in that the habs got a top end guy who is young and fits the bill as French Canadian.

To me this second trade should make Pacioretty expendable for a center and Galchenyuk for a dman.

And after the season Radulov had, pumping Galchenyuk first half than Pacioretty, then he was by far the best forward during the playoffs and he is the guy they are questioning bringing back??? Seriously mind my abbreviation but wtf?
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What happened to building through the draft?
 
Treb said:
Praises the pro scouts :laugh:

Sure did a great job with the Semin, Bri�re, PAP, Matteau, DSP, Shaw.

But I guess it's all on the amateur scouting...
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Well.....sure. There were a lot of duds from pro scouting too. Imagine what it means for the amateur scouting then? Why do you think we had to go out of our way so much? We wouldn't haev had that luxury to make so many mistakes at pro scouting if we would have provide through amateur scouting more than 4 players in the past 10 years.
 
Pro scouting has actually been good. Yes, there were some obvious duds like Briere and Semin, but in terms of bang-for-the-buck, most of the acquisitions have worked out well. I realize most were/are depth players, but the bottom line is pro scouts were given a mandate and did their jobs.
 
Whitesnake said:
I've been saying that for how many years now....as of now, aside from Lindgren, and we are talkingn here about a goalie's value, this Habs team has NO value in their prospect pool. None. That doesn't mean that Mete won't become great. Just saying..Mete right now, Bitten, Sherbak, holds NO value. Who else in the league has that? And this year, it's worst than ever.

But hey, the great Trevor Timmins, to show the journalists and trying to impress them, tells them that our prospect pool is healthy because 2 of our guys were invited in the Team Canada's Summer development camp.....wow. Straight from Jaffy and Co explanations. No wonder they love this organization. But still an awful example and shows exactly why we should be worried.
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Two years ago we had no one in the entire tournament. :amazed:
 
Runner77 said:
For those who read French, a stinging account from LaPresse's Martin Leclerc: http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1041468/hockey-lnh-martin-leclerc-le-declin-de-lempire-canadien

"The Decline of the Canadien Empire": http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1041468/hockey-lnh-martin-leclerc-le-declin-de-lempire-canadien
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I find it highly disingenious to cherry pick precisely from 2008, a year after one of the Habs best draft in their history, but also that those four following years (2008 to 2011) Habs one of the lowest aggregated selections in the first two rounds of those drafts.

Team (2008/2009/2010/2011) Total1st+2nd Total1st/AvgRank1st

Ana (17-35-39-43/15-26-37/12-29-42/30-39-53) 13 6/21.5
Ari (8-28-49/6-36/13-27-52-57/20-51-56) 12 6/17
Bos (16-47/25/2-32-45/9-40) 8 4/13
Buf (12-26-44/13/23/16) 6 5/18
Cal (25-48/23/13-45-57) 6 3/20.3
Car (14-45/27-51/7-37-53/12-42) 9 4/15
Chi (11/28-59/24-35-54-58-60/18-26-36-43) 12 5/21.4
Col (50/3-33-49/17-49/2-11) 8 4/8.3
Clb (6-37/21-56/4-34-55/37) 8 3/10.3
Dal (59/8-38/11-41/14-44) 7 3/11
Det (30/32-60/21-51/35-48-55) 8 2/25.5
Edm (22/10-40/1-31-46-48/1-19-31) 10 5/10.3
Flo (31-46/14-44/3-19-25-33-36-50/3-33-59) 13 5/12.8
LA (2-13-32-5-35/15-47/49) 8 4/8.8
Min (23-55/16/9-39-56-59/10-28-60) 10 5/17.2
Mon (58/18/22/17) 4 3/19
Nas (7-18-38/11-41-42/18/38-52) 9 4/13.5
NJ (24-52-54/20-54/38/4) 7 3/16
NYI (9-36-40-53/1-12-31/5-30/5-34-50) 12 5/6.4
NYR (20-51/19-47/10-40/15) 7 4/16
Ott (15-42/9-39-48/6-21-24) 8 5/15
Phi (8/20-45) 3 2/14
Pit (30/20/23-54) 4 3/24.3
SJ (43-57/28/47) 4 1/28
Stl (4-33-34/17-48/14-16-44/32-41-46) 11 4/12.8
TB (1/2-29-52/6/27-58) 7 5/13
Tor (5-60/7-50-58/43/22-25) 8 4/14.8
Van (10-41/22-53/29) 5 3/20.3
Was (21-27-57/24-55/26) 6 4/24.5
Win (3-29/4-34-45/8/7) 7 5/10.2

Habs are tied at 27th place for the number of picks in the first two rounds between 08-11

Habs are 21st for the number of 1st picks, tied with 6 other teams, but Habs have the 3rd highest pick average among those teams, which puts them 25th.

Habs are 21st for average rank of 1sr rd picks.

Not only is it ingenious because the Habs had the least 2nd round picks in those years, but he makes it about the number of games played by draftees and those years also represent players between the age of 24 and 27 in the league right now and are also those who will have accrued more games compared to the more recent draftees of 12-13-14-15

Looking at those last few years brings a complete different picture. 10 total picks between 12-15 for the first two rounds, 4 1st rounders, 6 2nds. They represent the 20-23 age segment, and suddenly with more picks, comes Galchenyuk, Hudon, Big Mac, DLR, Lehkonen, Ghetto who will accru a lot more games than the 08-11 segment in total, but have only started to do so. And the ones I've named are from 12-13, 14-15 might bring in Sherbak, Lernout and Juulsen. It's just too early for those years.

I agree with everything else he says about Bergevin, but for Timmins, he completely disregards that he didnt have a lot to work with right where he starts picking his sample.
 
So our bust 25th pick and a Byron or something like that and a conditional 1st isn't worth Schenn?

another center moved during Bergevin's era
 
blarneylad said:
So our bust 25th pick and a Byron or something like that and a conditional 1st isn't worth Schenn?

another center moved during Bergevin's era
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As far as I know Schenn is not a C.

If he was MB should of beaten that offer, but after checking PHI board and main board he seems more like a Winger. Would be a good back up to Radu but I guess MB still thinks he can resign him.
 
scrubadam said:
As far as I know Schenn is not a C.

If he was MB should of beaten that offer, but after checking PHI board and main board he seems more like a Winger. Would be a good back up to Radu but I guess MB still thinks he can resign him.
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Schenn is a center but was moved to the wing because of depth at C.
A luxury some teams seem to afford. :sarcasm:
Not sure why they draft so many...:D
 
Rapala said:
Schenn is a center but was moved to the wing because of depth at C.
A luxury some teams seem to afford. :sarcasm:
Not sure why they draft so many...:D
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Hey now! We moved our 3rd OA to the wing because of our depth at C too, you know. :sarcasm:
 
sheed36 said:
His purple pants? :)
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He's wearing his finest red pants, purple jacket clown suit today. That's fitting because his annual draft circus of inactivity is in full swing.

Can't wait to see what rabbits his sideshow of amateur scouts pull out of their bust hats today, wouldn't want to lose our spot at the bottom of the NHL games played list for draft picks in the last decade. That's consistency, baby!
 
scrubadam said:
As far as I know Schenn is not a C.

If he was MB should of beaten that offer, but after checking PHI board and main board he seems more like a Winger. Would be a good back up to Radu but I guess MB still thinks he can resign him.
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He isn't a center in the sae way Galchenyuk isn't.

Fact of the matter is Bergie cried about how hard it is to acquire a C and ye we see so many C's get picked up by other teams rather easily. The fans will grow weary of the same old talk from Bergy if he continues to be inactive while making excuses.
 
hockeyfan2k11 said:
He isn't a center in the sae way Galchenyuk isn't.

Fact of the matter is Bergie cried about how hard it is to acquire a C and ye we see so many C's get picked up by other teams rather easily. The fans will grow weary of the same old talk from Bergy if he continues to be inactive while making excuses.
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Stepan is an overpaid 2C and Schenn like you said above isn't really a C.

I think 2 1st for Schenn is a good deal but he only fits if Rads isn't coming back. All though whats funny is PHI fans are mainly rejoicing that he is gone calling him a bad player. Not sure if its usual post player hate or reality.

Not sure what Hextall was doing there. This is as if MB moved AG for 2 1st and a crap camp dump. As much as MB is mocked just look at that trade Hextal made. 2 late 1sts for a young 20+ G scorer. Other GM's also lost another 20+ G scorer and 30G scorer for nothing this year as well.

Anyways I think the plan is going to be to come back with what we had last year+ Drouin and someone to play with Weber.

Will it be enough? Thats what the season is for. If Price is as good as some say he is and Drouin continues to play in the playoffs the way he does and Pens can't 3 peat maybe they have a shot.
 
badbrains said:
He's wearing his finest red pants, purple jacket clown suit today. That's fitting because his annual draft circus of inactivity is in full swing.

Can't wait to see what rabbits his sideshow of amateur scouts pull out of their bust hats today, wouldn't want to lose our spot at the bottom of the NHL games played list for draft picks in the last decade. That's consistency, baby!
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This board seems a bit more reserved this draft. Maybe posters won't declare our victory and how we hit it out of the park on every pick and we have our future 1C/1D/1W from every guy we pick.

All the names we see today probably won't amount to a hill of beans. And look at the guys taken 1 or 2 picks after who we selected in the 1st round. In 2 or 3 years we will be proposing trading 1st rounders/prospects for those guys.
 
You know he'll just stick to Markov, Radulov and Galchenyuk, overpay for all 3, and move Drouin out of position because coca-cola didn't develop into a proper C.

Why do I even get my hopes up anymore.

I'd wager he's even going to give Markov the same amount he got in the last 3 years.
 
Son Oncle Jerry said:
You know he'll just stick to Markov, Radulov and Galchenyuk, overpay for all 3, and move Drouin out of position because coca-cola didn't develop into a proper C.

Why do I even get my hopes up anymore.

I'd wager he's even going to give Markov the same amount he got in the last 3 years.
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Keeping those 3 plus adding Drouin is a good thing! Better team with upgraded scoring.

Galchenyuk another year older and ready to prove himself now more than ever. Drouin high end talent adding to the top 6 which was desperately needed and Markov still a top 4 dman.

Wish they could find a center though
 
blarneylad said:
Keeping those 3 plus adding Drouin is a good thing! Better team with upgraded scoring.

Galchenyuk another year older and ready to prove himself now more than ever. Drouin high end talent adding to the top 6 which was desperately needed and Markov still a top 4 dman.

Wish they could find a center though
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A year from now Galchenyuk's value is not going to be any higher than a high 2nd rounder. Starting Drouin at C is a recipe to disaster. Overpaying Markov after the Plekanec debacle would be the stupidest thing ever, and a single Radulov on a multi-year, onerous deal in Montreal is a disaster waiting to happen.

Plus, starting the year with Weber, Markov, Petry, Benn, Schlemko and Davidson would be suicidal. We're missing at least a top-4 D. At the very least.
 
Draft is done. Our needs were no less than a top line center and a LH skilled D. (Add a top 6 winger if Rad doesn't sign) BargainBin managed to solve precisely zero of our problems. He used the words "not easy" or "hard" a bunch of times when referring to acquiring players. Meanwhile other teams made hockey trades that didn't cripple their rosters or prospect depth. In a weak draft year MB traded no picks, instead choosing to draft a pile of D men and just one forward with homerun offensive potential in Ikonen.

Phil Danault is our #1 C.
38 yo Andrei Markov is our most skilled D man and he's not even signed yet.
Radulov likely to walk.
No coaching changes at any level.

To summarize, absolutely no surprises here. Status quo from the GM. Get ready for another regular season Cup on Price's back and an early playoff exit.

Stability, folks.
 
badbrains said:
Draft is done. Our needs were no less than a top line center and a LH skilled D. (Add a top 6 winger if Rad doesn't sign) BargainBin managed to solve precisely zero of our problems. He used the words "not easy" or "hard" a bunch of times when referring to acquiring players. Meanwhile other teams made hockey trades that didn't cripple their rosters or prospect depth. In a weak draft year MB traded no picks, instead choosing to draft a pile of D men and just one forward with homerun offensive potential in Ikonen.

Phil Danault is our #1 C.
38 yo Andrei Markov is our most skilled D man and he's not even signed yet.
Radulov likely to walk.
No coaching changes at any level.

To summarize, absolutely no surprises here. Status quo from the GM. Get ready for another regular season Cup on Price's back and an early playoff exit.

Stability, folks.
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I see you forgot to mention the Drouin acquisition.
 
blarneylad said:
I see you forgot to mention the Drouin acquisition.
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Didn't forget. A playmaking winger is a fine addition, sure. It wasn't a glaring need, however. And to use MB's own words he "created a hole to fill another." Exactly what he said he wouldn't do last year.

If your biggest need is at center and you have one valuable piece to trade it stands to reason you don't use that piece to go get a 50 point winger.
 
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