Marc Bergevin Thread -- How you Drouin?

[Kudo Shinichi]

Schenn is a center but was moved to the wing because of depth at C.
A luxury some teams seem to afford.
Not sure why they draft so many...

Schenn got put at wing because he sucked at center...

 

[Miller Time]

Didn't forget. A playmaking winger is a fine addition, sure. It wasn't a glaring need, however. And to use MB's own words he "created a hole to fill another." Exactly what he said he wouldn't do last year.

If your biggest need is at center and you have one valuable piece to trade it stands to reason you don't use that piece to go get a 50 point winger.

Only applies if you assume the person who is in charge should or does have a plan...

 

[badbrains]

Only applies if you assume the person who is in charge should or does have a plan...

Oh, he has a plan for sure. His plan is to not get fired. Exactly the reason for the Drouin trade. He's a very good player but without Rad and Markov back next year this team is in fact worse than last year's edition. Drouin's acquisition provides a great distraction to that minor detail.

 

[HuGo Sham]

this thread is depressing the **** out of me lol.
i'm off to enjoy the beautiful day
;-)

 

[LaP]

Oh, he has a plan for sure. His plan is to not get fired. Exactly the reason for the Drouin trade. He's a very good player but without Rad and Markov back next year this team is in fact worse than last year's edition. Drouin's acquisition provides a great distraction to that minor detail.

I really do hope Drouin wont be this year smoke grenade. And i really hope if he is people wont drink the kool aid like they did last year.

Getting Drouin and Schlemko accomplish nothing if you lose Radu, Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu in the process.

MB is playing a very dangerous game. Yeah if he doesn't resign Marov and radu he'll have lot of space left under the cap. But you must be two to dance. He put himself in a position where he absolutely must sign someone this summer. At least a good forward and a good dman. It doesn't mean those guys will want to sign here though and MB could put himself in a position where he will have no choice but to sign plan C or even D and it's gonna hurt. It's gonna be very painful.

At the time of writing this the team is not very good and there's many holes. Probably the worst lineup since MB is here. Price will hide these holes in the regular season but not in the playoffs. There's no guarantee MB will be able to solve the issues in the next 2 or 3 weeks. After those 2 or 3 weeks summer will be mostly done. It's very rare to see good players still available or big trades past mid july. For most GM the summer is over and it's time to fly south for 2 weeks or so.

Patch-AG-Gallagher
Byron-Danault-Drouin
Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw
Hudon-Mitchell-Martinsen

Benn-Weber
Schlemko-Petry
Jerabek-Davidson

That's a weak lineup unless AG blossom into a solid 1st line center and Drouin make some huge progress. It's basically the same lineup as last year with an old and more suspect defense.


I'm really not confident radu and Markov will sign. It would already be done by now if they were on the same page. There's still hope but it's rare to see a player sign in the last 3-4 days before becoming an UFA.

Let's hope we will be able to add a Fowler and a good forward this summer with the cap space left. I'm afraid we might be stuck with some plan D à la Stafford and Liles though.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

When are his lovers in the media gonna get tired of BargainBin crying about how tough his job is? When will that obvious talking point disseminate through?

I've seen people PRAISE BargainBin's incessant lowering of expectations. I've seen people say "I'm not a fan of all his moves but you have to hand it to him, he really knows how to deal with the city and fans!"

That'd like praising a politician for being a skillful liar.

 

[JGRB]

When are his lovers in the media gonna get tired of BargainBin crying about how tough his job is? When will that obvious talking point disseminate through?

I've seen people PRAISE BargainBin's incessant lowering of expectations. I've seen people say "I'm not a fan of all his moves but you have to hand it to him, he really knows how to deal with the city and fans!"

That'd like praising a politician for being a skillful liar.

Now that Bergevin has acquired his golden goose he's got more rope than ever.

Pathetic.

 

[NotProkofievian]

This just in: Bergevin called another GM. Tavares to Montreal?

 

[mariolemieux66]

I can't stand him and his team. Its pretty sad that it got that this point and i dont see it getting better

 

[417]

Well based on what CJ said...it seems this organization is still all in with Plekanec as a top 6 player.

Let's hope he can have a bounce back year

 

[LaP]

Well based on what CJ said...it seems this organization is still all in with Plekanec as a top 6 player.

Let's hope he can have a bounce back year

If this management still believe Plakenac is a top 6 player they should all be fired asap.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Well based on what CJ said...it seems this organization is still all in with Plekanec as a top 6 player.

Let's hope he can have a bounce back year

What did he say that makes you think that?

 

[OldCraig71]

Well based on what CJ said...it seems this organization is still all in with Plekanec as a top 6 player.

Let's hope he can have a bounce back year

Plekanec has been done for 2 years and has absolutely no top 6 value on any team that claims to be trying to contend. He is at this stage a third liner at best and he would only have value on a team like the Pens or Hawks as a fringe player but we all know that can't happen because he is overpaid by 3 million a year.

 

[NotProkofievian]

When are his lovers in the media gonna get tired of BargainBin crying about how tough his job is? When will that obvious talking point disseminate through?

I've seen people PRAISE BargainBin's incessant lowering of expectations. I've seen people say "I'm not a fan of all his moves but you have to hand it to him, he really knows how to deal with the city and fans!"

That'd like praising a politician for being a skillful liar.

Literally never.

There are a lot of posters right now getting ready to defend Bergevin to the death for not signing Radulov.

 

[Link67]

Literally never.

There are a lot of posters right now getting ready to defend Bergevin to the death for not signing Radulov.

The guy is Reportedly asking for 6 years at 7 mill a piece, if you were the GM you mean to tell me you would jump on that deal for the sake of "signing Radulov"?
Come on now, this isn't about defending Bergevin for anything, that is simply a bad deal, and if Bergevin or anyone in his shoes signed it, its a bad deal. Him not signing a bad deal up to this point with Radulov is better than signing Radulov to that contract, Period.

People need to stop looking for ridiculous little excuses like this to bash management, "hE dIdN't sIgN RaDuLoV tO A rIdIcUlOuS cOnTrAcT YeT!". Ok thats great, hopefully he signs Radulov to a good contract, other wise not keeping him because some other crazy GM way worse than ours, did, is the right call. You mean to tell me its Bergevin's fault if he offers Radulov 7 mill for 4 years and Radulov decides thats not good and goes to Vegas for 6 years? Its a contract negotiation, their are 2 sides involved, we can't just blindly be like, "oh man Bergevin sucks he didn't keep Radulov" if he offers a fair deal but Radulov jumps on the crazy deal somewhere else. Just like Kovalev, Gainey had the fair 2 year offer on the table, it was Kovalev who got greedy and looked else where for the crazy deal, by the time he came back to the table Gainey had moved on with his plan.

Bergevin has made alot of good deals in his 5 years here, also he has committed some blunders in those 5 years no different than any other GM has in their last 5 years. Stop pretending there is some mysterious super hero GM out there who never flubs it here and there and only makes home run deals because there isn't.

 

[BLONG7]

MB has become the biggest spin doctor............keeps the expectations low, while whining that being a GM is tough...........trades are hard, blah blah blah............

The guy is a serious whiner, who wears some pretty strange get ups!!

He is in, way over his head...

 

[DAChampion]

The guy is Reportedly asking for 6 years at 7 mill a piece, if you were the GM you mean to tell me you would jump on that deal for the sake of "signing Radulov"?
Come on now, this isn't about defending Bergevin for anything, that is simply a bad deal, and if Bergevin or anyone in his shoes signed it, its a bad deal. Him not signing a bad deal up to this point with Radulov is better than signing Radulov to that contract, Period.

People need to stop looking for ridiculous little excuses like this to bash management, "hE dIdN't sIgN RaDuLoV tO A rIdIcUlOuS cOnTrAcT YeT!". Ok thats great, hopefully he signs Radulov to a good contract, other wise not keeping him because some other crazy GM way worse than ours, did, is the right call. You mean to tell me its Bergevin's fault if he offers Radulov 7 mill for 4 years and Radulov decides thats not good and goes to Vegas for 6 years? Its a contract negotiation, their are 2 sides involved, we can't just blindly be like, "oh man Bergevin sucks he didn't keep Radulov" if he offers a fair deal but Radulov jumps on the crazy deal somewhere else. Just like Kovalev, Gainey had the fair 2 year offer on the table, it was Kovalev who got greedy and looked else where for the crazy deal, by the time he came back to the table Gainey had moved on with his plan.

Bergevin has made alot of good deals in his 5 years here, also he has committed some blunders in those 5 years no different than any other GM has in their last 5 years. Stop pretending there is some mysterious super hero GM out there who never flubs it here and there and only makes home run deals because there isn't.

Good players cost money. There's no way around it.

Bergevin isn't interested in developing players, he's not interested in tanking, and he's not interested in paying for high-quality UFAs. That means that with Bergevin there's no means to develop a good team.

Yes, obviously it would be better to sign Oshie, Radulov, and Markov at 1 year, 1 million dollars each, but there's no prospect of that happening.

 

[NotProkofievian]

The guy is Reportedly asking for 6 years at 7 mill a piece, if you were the GM you mean to tell me you would jump on that deal for the sake of "signing Radulov"?
Come on now, this isn't about defending Bergevin for anything, that is simply a bad deal, and if Bergevin or anyone in his shoes signed it, its a bad deal. Him not signing a bad deal up to this point with Radulov is better than signing Radulov to that contract, Period.

People need to stop looking for ridiculous little excuses like this to bash management, "hE dIdN't sIgN RaDuLoV tO A rIdIcUlOuS cOnTrAcT YeT!". Ok thats great, hopefully he signs Radulov to a good contract, other wise not keeping him because some other crazy GM way worse than ours, did, is the right call. You mean to tell me its Bergevin's fault if he offers Radulov 7 mill for 4 years and Radulov decides thats not good and goes to Vegas for 6 years? Its a contract negotiation, their are 2 sides involved, we can't just blindly be like, "oh man Bergevin sucks he didn't keep Radulov" if he offers a fair deal but Radulov jumps on the crazy deal somewhere else. Just like Kovalev, Gainey had the fair 2 year offer on the table, it was Kovalev who got greedy and looked else where for the crazy deal, by the time he came back to the table Gainey had moved on with his plan.

Bergevin has made alot of good deals in his 5 years here, also he has committed some blunders in those 5 years no different than any other GM has in their last 5 years. Stop pretending there is some mysterious super hero GM out there who never flubs it here and there and only makes home run deals because there isn't.

Good lord.

The reading comprehension on this board is quite something. I am not complaining that he hasn't signed Radulov yet. I'm criticizing posters, such as yourself, for preparing to defend Bergevin for the eventuality of not signing Radulov.

I don't think 7x6 is a good deal. You know what I think is a good deal? 1x1. That doesn't matter, though. What matters is what's available, and what the market will bear. Right now we need scoring. We were held to one goal or less in more than a quarter of our games in the regular season, and couldn't buy a goal in the playoffs. Radulov is the best free agent forward available to us. Given the maturity of our roster and our scoring problems, it is inexcusable to enter the playoffs again without addressing our scoring problem in the best manner possible. If that means overpaying Radulov by about a mill per year, and a few years too many, that's what's going to need to happen.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Free agency hasn't even started, we've acquired Drouin, a solid D in Schlemko for a 5th rounder and got rid of two bottom pairing D most people complained about us having and people are *****ing lol.

 

[badbrains]

The guy is Reportedly asking for 6 years at 7 mill a piece, if you were the GM you mean to tell me you would jump on that deal for the sake of "signing Radulov"?
Come on now, this isn't about defending Bergevin for anything, that is simply a bad deal, and if Bergevin or anyone in his shoes signed it, its a bad deal. Him not signing a bad deal up to this point with Radulov is better than signing Radulov to that contract, Period.

People need to stop looking for ridiculous little excuses like this to bash management, "hE dIdN't sIgN RaDuLoV tO A rIdIcUlOuS cOnTrAcT YeT!". Ok thats great, hopefully he signs Radulov to a good contract, other wise not keeping him because some other crazy GM way worse than ours, did, is the right call. You mean to tell me its Bergevin's fault if he offers Radulov 7 mill for 4 years and Radulov decides thats not good and goes to Vegas for 6 years? Its a contract negotiation, their are 2 sides involved, we can't just blindly be like, "oh man Bergevin sucks he didn't keep Radulov" if he offers a fair deal but Radulov jumps on the crazy deal somewhere else. Just like Kovalev, Gainey had the fair 2 year offer on the table, it was Kovalev who got greedy and looked else where for the crazy deal, by the time he came back to the table Gainey had moved on with his plan.

Bergevin has made alot of good deals in his 5 years here, also he has committed some blunders in those 5 years no different than any other GM has in their last 5 years. Stop pretending there is some mysterious super hero GM out there who never flubs it here and there and only makes home run deals because there isn't.

Dude.

It's not about Bergevin making a bad signing or trade and it's not about looking for an excuse to bash management.

It's about him and his absolute steadfast refusal to do anything to address the weaknesses on this roster. Not only is he not solving immediate problems, he is slowly digging the organization into a hole that will take years and years to repair.

His trades aren't bad on the surface, he rarely outright "loses" a trade. The same way that getting one minor speeding ticket isn't a threat to one's drivers license. But add up those minor missteps and you're on thin ice. With each move he makes he loses a year here and a year there of player age. He surrenders a late round pick or two here and there. Subban trade, minus four years. Drouin trade, minus four years. King, Ott, minus a few picks. And on it goes. All the while not really improving even the short term success of the team.

It's a slow, relatively painless death we're witnessing. And it's being perpetuated by a charismatic, on the surface anyway, believable glorified salesman. He's done a damn good job of pulling the wool over the fans eyes all the while employing largely old friends as staff to tow his line. The owner and the media eat from his hand. He's accountable to no one.

It's a dangerous precedent that he's setting here. It's not about blind bashing of the GM, even if it's warranted. It's about opening our eyes to what he's actually done to this team since he started. Look at the forest for the trees, if you will. This team is going nowhere and it's happening faster than many realize.

Rant done. Happy Fete National. Hopefully the Labatt Bleue will help make this draft weekend more palatable. Not for me.

 

[LaP]

Free agency hasn't even started,

Did you watch the list of players available? We can actually sign two of the most interesting UFA right now.

 

[groovejuice]

Free agency hasn't even started, we've acquired Drouin, a solid D in Schlemko for a 5th rounder and got rid of two bottom pairing D most people complained about us having and people are *****ing lol.

It's a start. We're still missing a lot of pieces, not all of which will be attainable. Need to sign Radulov, or replace him, same with Markov. Need a top 6 centre. Need a partner for Weber, apparently.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Dude.

It's not about Bergevin making a bad signing or trade and it's not about looking for an excuse to bash management.

It's about him and his absolute steadfast refusal to do anything to address the weaknesses on this roster. Not only is he not solving immediate problems, he is slowly digging the organization into a hole that will take years and years to repair.

His trades aren't bad on the surface, he rarely outright "loses" a trade. The same way that getting one minor speeding ticket isn't a threat to one's drivers license. But add up those minor missteps and you're on thin ice. With each move he makes he loses a year here and a year there of player age. He surrenders a late round pick or two here and there. Subban trade, minus four years. Drouin trade, minus four years. King, Ott, minus a few picks. And on it goes. All the while not really improving even the short term success of the team.

It's a slow, relatively painless death we're witnessing. And it's being perpetuated by a charismatic, on the surface anyway, believable glorified salesman. He's done a damn good job of pulling the wool over the fans eyes all the while employing largely old friends as staff to tow his line. The owner and the media eat from his hand. He's accountable to no one.

It's a dangerous precedent that he's setting here. It's not about blind bashing of the GM, even if it's warranted. It's about opening our eyes to what he's actually done to this team since he started. Look at the forest for the trees, if you will. This team is going nowhere and it's happening faster than many realize.

Rant done. Happy Fete National. Hopefully the Labatt Bleue will help make this draft weekend more palatable. Not for me.

The roof is on fire

 

[DAChampion]

The roof is on fire

It's a bit worrisome really, just how dim Bergevin is.

Trading Subban for Weber is a "win-now" move.
Trading Sergachev for Drouin is a "win-now" move.

And that's fine.

And then he wants to lose Radulov and Markov for nothing.

Just WTF.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Did you watch the list of players available? We can actually sign two of the most interesting UFA right now.

Guys like Marleau and Thornton who I expect back in SJ haven't even signed yet, I won't be surprised if teams had deals agreed on weeks ago and are not releasing some of these signings yet just to make sure they don't get penalized because of the expansion draft protection lists.