Marc Bergevin - Road Closed for Repair Edition

[admiralcadillac]

So the core that didn't even make the playoffs is better then the core that finished 9th in league, 4th in the East and went to the ECF?

What fantasy land are you living in?

Your logic is lacking dude come on, we have a way better set of young players this time around

Please try and see why what you said doesn't make sense...

 

[Just this once]

Although I think Scott was a bigger mess for us to handle than Tinordi was for Phoenix.

If Tinordi had been with the Habs once the news broke out, it would have been really bad, a lot worst than Scott. Its mostly about image. Overall, the Scott affair did not make the Habs look bad, and you could even say it made them look good, since they did not pressure Scott into dropping his rights, like Phoenix did. From what I read, Bergevin completely delegated the problem to his AHL affiliate, so he did not even have to do anything. He brought him up for a game, and everything looks good.

 

[Sorinth]

Your logic is lacking dude come on, we have a way better set of young players this time around

Please try and see why what you said doesn't make sense...

So we have a future Norris winning defenceman in our core, or a future Hart Trophy winner, or a future Vezina winner? Do we even have a guy that will have as many 30 goals seasons as Max did?

 

[BLONG7]

Orchestrated his own cup? Being handed a team with 9 hall of famers on it was a helping hand. Not to mention inherited the top farm system in NHL. Might a little help to him. If you don't know the game why respond?

You lost all credibility with me, talking about MB being a good GM, while talking trash about Sam Pollock...

 

[BLONG7]

Tomorrow came in the form of this year and it was nothing short of much much better

1 good offseason out of 7 is nothing to get too excited about...yes it was a nice rebound, but I haven't forgot his dumpster fire 6 years previous. We can however, hope he has another good offseason this summer...but hope is not usually the best way to build a team in the NHL.

 

[BLONG7]

Tomorrow came in the form of this year and it was nothing short of much much better

And..........still no playoff!! lol

 

[417]

Well I disagree but that's not the point. Back in 2012 and 2013, there were no reasons to think Galch would not become a good center for us.

Whether or not we thought it is irrelevant...what we know and what's become obviously clear today...

Is that he's not a center, so we may have thought it at the time, but time would have proven us wrong.

A late first and a useless prospect?...A year after making the ECF, you want to trade your top center for that return..? If you're doing that then man, you better be in full tank mode. Makes no sense to just move him for that.

As I said in the post you quoted - you can turn around and package that return for an established player who was better than Plekanec at the time. The team, even coming off a year where they finished 2nd overall completely cratered the following year anyways (remember, Price got hurt and you and all the others talked about this being a team that was all about Price????)

or we could have stood pat...given Galchenyuk a bigger role as you suggested, same with Eller and drafted a Matthew Barzal or a Thomas Chabot or Kyle Connor or Travis Koneckny.

And once more, this isn't me monday morning QB'ing this...I argued it, vehemently at the time.

Tell me...how would Matthew Barzal or Thomas Chabot look on the Habs today???

Again, you need a direction. You don't trade Plek for the sake of trading Plek. Just like you don't swap Subban for an older Dman. Just like you don't rid yourself of your best D prospect with an inconsistent older young player when you also have no direction.
You don't make moves for the sake of making moves.
Pick a direction.

My direction was/is clear and I never said to trade him for the sake of trading him...so not sure why you're writing that.

Funny you mention not needing a firesale but then talk about the Bruins...Don Sweeney came in and trades Lucic, Soderberg, Hamilton, Jones, Rinaldo, Smith (and includes Savard)...If that's not a firesale, I don't know what is. Sure, he didn't get rid of all the top guys, nobody suggested we do that.

First of all...why are you including Soderbeg & Rinaldo in this discussion? As though they were integral parts of the Bruins.

As for the rest of the names mentioned...again, that just supports my argument. This was not a firesale since they still retained their core players that to this day, remain their core players.

Don Sweeney didn't think like you and many others by saying "Lucic is my #1LW how will we ever survive without him"...nah, he accurately predicted that Lucic was never going to get better and it would just be downhill from there, so he moved him (which is what Bergevin should have done, on multiple occasions with Plekanec).

Dougie Hamilton he tried to re-sign but they couldn't come to an agreement...so he moved him for a 1st + 2 2nds

Jones was a Bruin for 2.5 seconds...not sure why you're bringing him up.

Point here is obvious...just because Plekanec as our "#1C" and I use that term loosely, doesn't mean that you can't move him...first of all, he was our #1C by default, not by ability.

He needed a contract the following year, one that I accurately predicted would be inflated and we'd be stuck paying 6M for a 3rd line C....

You have to have foresight in this situations...the same way you're beating the drum about moving Petry or Byron or Shaw is the same way I was beating the drum about moving Plekanec.

But as I said, you pick a direction. Don Sweeney chose to rebuild, he moved guys, he didn't care where the team would finish and he'd build the team as he sees it.

Trading Pleks...cool. What else? That's it? Just him?...Why? Again, what's your direction?

He didn't rebuild in the traditional way people think a rebuild is...he didn't tear everything down.

He traded players who were at the height of their value because he identified them as players who wouldn't be part of their core moving forward.

In Bergevin's early years, to me, the core that needed to be retained and built around was Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk & Gallagher...everyone else, including Plekanec, were not players the team needed to keep.

They missed an opportunity with Plekanec, several of them....

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Your logic is lacking dude come on, we have a way better set of young players this time around

Please try and see why what you said doesn't make sense...

if you include the prospects than yeah it's a lot better now. I got A LOT of heat for arguing this about half a year ago so I'm running away from this post hahaha. Not this year but next will be a very interesting one.

 

[admiralcadillac]

And..........still no playoff!! lol

That tends to happen when you trade your two top scorers for prospects

Retooling or rebuilding usually involves missing the playoffs

 

[ECWHSWI]

Tomorrow came in the form of this year and it was nothing short of much much better

yeah, finishing 27th in the league and doing better the following year is unheard of... what an amazing season, the kind history will remember!!

 

[ECWHSWI]

That's what cultists say

But yes, it's better than the 2013 core for sure

don't know who you think you're adressing this to, but you are here showing your love for the GM while the HABS missed the PO for the 3rd time in the last 4 seasons...

 

[ECWHSWI]

He needed a contract the following year, one that I accurately predicted would be inflated and we'd be stuck paying 6M for a 3rd line C....

You have to have foresight in this situations...the same way you're beating the drum about moving Petry or Byron or Shaw is the same way I was beating the drum about moving Plekanec.


He didn't rebuild in the traditional way people think a rebuild is...he didn't tear everything down.

He traded players who were at the height of their value because he identified them as players who wouldn't be part of their core moving forward.

In Bergevin's early years, to me, the core that needed to be retained and built around was Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk & Gallagher...everyone else, including Plekanec, were not players the team needed to keep.

They missed an opportunity with Plekanec, several of them....

that's no prediction, all you did in regards to Plekanec, to this day, is obsess amd talk shit... you happened to be right once, it sure aint no prediction Nostradamus

 

[admiralcadillac]

yeah, finishing 27th in the league and doing better the following year is unheard of... what an amazing season, the kind history will remember!!

don't know who you think you're adressing this to, but you are here showing your love for the GM while the HABS missed the PO for the 3rd time in the last 4 seasons...

I don't usually respond to your posts and it is generally because you aren't honest. Stop inventing things please.

 

[417]

that's no prediction, all you did in regards to Plekanec, to this day, is obsess amd talk ****... you happened to be right once, it sure aint no prediction Nostradamus

I've missed you...hope all is well

P.s. I literally predicted that the summer of 2015.. I posted the link the other day, feel free to check it out or not...whatever

 

[ECWHSWI]

I've missed you...hope all is well

P.s. I literally predicted that the summer of 2015.. I posted the link the other day, feel free to check it out or not...whatever

no need to look, hey! on of the many many negative things you say/said about Plekanec happened to be right... pat yourself on the back, it'S well deserved or something!

 

[ECWHSWI]

I don't usually respond to your posts and it is generally because you aren't honest. Stop inventing things please.

nice try, that's B.S. we both know it.

 

[417]

no need to look, hey! on of the many many negative things you say/said about Plekanec happened to be right... pat yourself on the back, it'S well deserved or something!

I didn't say negative things about Plekanec...just the truth you denied.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

The best GM's see things like this before everyone else does...things like a player reaching the height of his ability and value, and moving him before everyone else realizes it's all downhill from there on out.

Talk soon my friend!

 

[ECWHSWI]

I didn't say negative things about Plekanec...just the truth you denied.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

The best GM's see things like this before everyone else does...things like a player reaching the height of his ability and value, and moving him before everyone else realizes it's all downhill from there on out.

Talk soon my friend!

that's f***ing hilarious.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

that's no prediction, all you did in regards to Plekanec, to this day, is obsess amd talk ****... you happened to be right once, it sure aint no prediction Nostradamus

On the contrary. Many forwards hit a wall at the age of 33, and Tomas was no elite player who could handle that kind of aging. His game has always been terribly vanilla offensively, never excelling in either playmaking or goalscoring, but he had more offense than grinders like Danault. The absolute bottom of the top offensive players, so to speak. When someone follows up a 69 point offensive season with a 43 point one, you could see that he was just a chameleon following his wingers' skill level. And that last contract he got was totally a Pacioretty effect pump-and-dump. Pacioretty would then pump up Galchenyuk to 30 goals later that season.

In fact, 2015-2016 could be considered one of the most invisibly greatest impact year by Habs left winger Max Pacioretty. Pleks gets a contract and Chucky a 30 goal sesason.

I don't agree with many of 417's points, but Plekanec was the one thing he was 100% correct about.

The problem was Boston's Patrice Bergeron, who "was" the 2C and Habs fans need a worthy wannabe substitute to feel they were keeping up with the Joneses with a defensive 2C even thought Pleks was the much inferior and less dynamic player.

In the words of Shania Twain, Pleks "Don't Impress Me Much".

 

[SirClintonPortis]

that's ****ing hilarious.

Things could be negative and true. The fact is that Plekanec was a B-lister who was loved because of Patrice Bergeron jealously.

 

[DAChampion]

I didn't say negative things about Plekanec...just the truth you denied.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

The best GM's see things like this before everyone else does...things like a player reaching the height of his ability and value, and moving him before everyone else realizes it's all downhill from there on out.

Talk soon my friend!

You emphasized the negative parts of the truth.

Which is ok.

 

[admiralcadillac]

nice try, that's B.S. we both know it.

By "both" are you referring to the voice in your head?

 

[ahmedou]

That's it Marc, Vacation time now!!!!

MB needs to work out his body now. It's now or never. His image is important. His look too. He's tired atm.

Time for a vacation earned.

Bergevin's asset management actually isn't that bad. If not for the 1 year with the Subban and Sergachev trades along with the Radulov/Markov fiasco, he'd probably be considered a Top 10 GM. The Domi trade was brilliant. The Weal trade was great. The aforementioned Weise/Danault/Romanov trade, acquiring Vanek for basically nothing. He's had his moments for sure.

I can't sum up the MB's good asset management. Neither with my five fingers. Neither with my five numbers toes.

So we have a future Norris winning defenceman in our core, or a future Hart Trophy winner, or a future Vezina winner? Do we even have a guy that will have as many 30 goals seasons as Max did?

Too much individuals trophies or players... That's a problem. This team is a grinding one. That's her culture...

1 good offseason out of 7 is nothing to get too excited about...yes it was a nice rebound, but I haven't forgot his dumpster fire 6 years previous. We can however, hope he has another good offseason this summer...but hope is not usually the best way to build a team in the NHL.

Let's roll the dice. With MB it's a gamble game.

yeah, finishing 27th in the league and doing better the following year is unheard of... what an amazing season, the kind history will remember!!
don't know who you think you're adressing this to, but you are here showing your love for the GM while the HABS missed the PO for the 3rd time in the last 4 seasons...

Those numbers makes me dizzy...

 

[ECWHSWI]

By "both" are you referring to the voice in your head?

you are not trying hard enough.

 

[Pickles]

That's what cultists say

But yes, it's better than the 2013 core for sure

The irony in this post is delicious.