Value of: Marc-Andre Fleury to the Oilers

[PuckG]

Aaaaah Edmonton....the goaltenders graveyard.

Yeah, they're all really struggling right now aren't they?

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I believe MAF is still a Vezina calibre goalie(like he was just a few months ago). Being traded this summer from a SC contender to a lottery team at this point in his career was a huge blow.
I'd pay a 1st plus Koskinen for MAF @50%. Hell, the Oilers once paid a 1st for Dwayne Roloson and went from a bubble team to game 7 of the SCF. This team is much closer to contention than they were

Why would a regressing Fleury @50% be worth a 1st now when 2 months ago (after coming off a Vezina year) he was traded for literally nothing?

 

[XXIV97]

MAF (50%) for Koskinen + 3rd would be the max I give up.

Koskinen is 8-1 with .918 SV%. Fleury is 2-7 with .891 SV%.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

Caps could give a better offer of Samsonov($2 million only, still RFA)+Schultz($4 million only) for Fleury($6 million, $1 million retained by the Hawks).

You really could not find a way to fit Hagelin in there? /sigh

 

[Legion34]

Why would a regressing Fleury @50% be worth a 1st now when 2 months ago (after coming off a Vezina year) he was traded for literally nothing?

the 50% retention part

 

[north49er]

Yeah, they're all really struggling right now aren't they?

Give them time......talk to us in April when they take their usual swan dive, even with the two best players in the world.

 

[Mrfenn92]

If the hawks continue to be bad by the deadline and Marc wants to move on the hawks will retain half and move him to his preferred destination. My guess is the return will be a mid round pick

 

[Mrfenn92]

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[CupInSIX]

the 50% retention part

Still not worth anywhere near a 1st (yet). Maybe a 2nd and cap going back.

 

[Legion34]

Still not worth anywhere near a 1st (yet). Maybe a 2nd and cap going back.

ya actually I read it incorrectly . I agree first is too much.

 

[PuckG]

Give them time......talk to us in April when they take their usual swan dive, even with the two best players in the world.

Until then, keep hating and living in the past. Not sure why it's so hard for people to grasp, but the Oilers are a deeper and better team compared to last year because the team CHANGES when other players are added. Really simple concept that people on these boards don't understand.

 

[north49er]

Until then, keep hating and living in the past. Not sure why it's so hard for people to grasp, but the Oilers are a deeper and better team compared to last year because the team CHANGES when other players are added. Really simple concept that people on these boards don't understand.

They should have made a CHANGE where they really needed it....in net.

 

[McShogun99]

Today's version of Fleury isn't the goalie that's going to get a team a Cup. He'd be a good backup or 1B option at 50% retained but how many teams going into the playoffs will need him? People thinking that a retained Fleury will get Chicago a 1st are out to lunch.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Considering that Koskinen is 8-1-0 and a decent .918% playing for a very porous defensive I see no reason the oilers want to over pay now.
If anything the trade deadline would be a better scenario as Koskinen is off the book and is 4.5 mill contract then inexistent

Also MAF is way too old for being a smart choice for the Oilers, Smith is Old, currently injured and is near retirement, Koskinen is somewhat younger but still aging too.
And please, Korpisalo is Not an improvement on Koskinen. is his a perennial sub .900 goalie playing for a team with a better defense.

Oliers should go big or go home at the deadline.

 

[TheDachKnight]

Today's version of Fleury isn't the goalie that's going to get a team a Cup. He'd be a good backup or 1B option at 50% retained but how many teams going into the playoffs will need him? People thinking that a retained Fleury will get Chicago a 1st are out to lunch.

I think a team can win a Cup with him. Especially if he gets hot in the playoffs. He doesn’t get us a 1st though because goalies don’t get that kind of return at the trade deadline. I’d say a 2nd and either a later pick or a prospect is fair if he keeps improving and we retain 50%. He has a .920 save percentage in 5 games in November.

 

[Paul4587]

Fleury isn’t the goalie Edmonton should be going after if they want quality playoff goaltending.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think a team can win a Cup with him. Especially if he gets hot in the playoffs. He doesn’t get us a 1st though because goalies don’t get that kind of return at the trade deadline. I’d say a 2nd and either a later pick or a prospect is fair if he keeps improving and we retain 50%. He has a .920 save percentage in 5 games in November.

I do think he's an upgrade on Koskinen and Smith, but I don't know if he's worth much in trade either. I'd offer a mid round pick and Koskinen for him easily, but I wouldn't offer the type of pick that would actually make it interesting to Chicago, at least not right now.

 

[ManofSteel55]

They should have made a CHANGE where they really needed it....in net.

They made a change where they needed it most. Depth. Goaltending isn't why they lost to Winnipeg last year. Goaltending isn't holding them back this year.

 

[TFHockey]

They made a change where they needed it most. Depth. Goaltending isn't why they lost to Winnipeg last year. Goaltending isn't holding them back this year.

I would argue that the Oilers are suspect defensively and are outscoring their problems. Koskinen has been surprisingly good. Even Skinner looked good. However we need one more 3rd line center (Maybe McLeod can be this, I dunno) and probably two better defensemen.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would argue that the Oilers are suspect defensively and are outscoring their problems. Koskinen has been surprisingly good. Even Skinner looked good. However we need one more 3rd line center (Maybe McLeod can be this, I dunno) and probably two better defensemen.

I would agree with that. I've posted a couple of places that I want them to tighten up defensively. It's hard to know what we need for a goalie when ours is being left out to dry so often. Both Skinner and Koskinen have made some great saves that have kept us up in games. Two better defenseman would be nice, but it essentially means we would need to overhaul the bottom pair, which would be fine with me in theory. In practice, it may be more difficult. I guess that's why we talk about what needs to be done rather than getting it done, ha ha.

 

[TheDachKnight]

I do think he's an upgrade on Koskinen and Smith, but I don't know if he's worth much in trade either. I'd offer a mid round pick and Koskinen for him easily, but I wouldn't offer the type of pick that would actually make it interesting to Chicago, at least not right now.

Right now, he wouldn’t have the kind of value that he should have at the trade deadline if he continues playing like his November numbers. I also don’t necessarily think Koskinen will play this well all season so anything less than a 2nd round value would be a no from me unless Fleury doesn’t improve.

 

[Smartguy]

Aaaaah Edmonton....the goaltenders graveyard.

I don’t understand the constant ragging on Oilers goaltending. It’s been fine for like 3 years now?

MAF isn’t an upgrade on koskinen, for double the price not to mention the assets.

The Oilers need a number 1 legit goalie, but like so do 15 other teams. That player isn’t available via trade, especially mid season, and the Oilers are 11-3 with a team SV% of a .914, would be higher is Skinner didn’t get hung out to dry in the 2 games he’s played.

It’s far from panic time

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Right now, he wouldn’t have the kind of value that he should have at the trade deadline if he continues playing like his November numbers. I also don’t necessarily think Koskinen will play this well all season so anything less than a 2nd round value would be a no from me unless Fleury doesn’t improve.

I think a 2nd is a stretch even if he can raise his sv% into the .910 range. Considering he has some trade protection, the Hawks have to find a team with a need for a goalie, cap space to take on 3.5-7M st the deadline that he would accept a trade to. That’s a pretty narrow thread.

Of course he could be desperate to get out of that trash pile and waive his protection for a team that has a chance to go on a run but possibly he’s just content to stick it out for the rest of the year and pick his spot in the off-season, doubt he wants to move again mid year.

 

[TheDachKnight]

I think a 2nd is a stretch even if he can raise his sv% into the .910 range. Considering he has some trade protection, the Hawks have to find a team with a need for a goalie, cap space to take on 3.5-7M st the deadline that he would accept a trade to. That’s a pretty narrow thread.

Of course he could be desperate to get out of that trash pile and waive his protection for a team that has a chance to go on a run but possibly he’s just content to stick it out for the rest of the year and pick his spot in the off-season, doubt he wants to move again mid year.

His numbers for November are in the .920s. He just won a Vezina last year. I think he would go to Edmonton as you guys look like a serious contender. Especially if Koskinen/Smith cool off. If his numbers are in the .920s, I think he should fetch a 2nd and maybe even a small plus if we’re retaining 50%.