Proposal: Maple Leafs Futures Package

[DomBarr]

I personally don't see how our 2021 1st holds any less value than our 2019. It's low this year, it will be low next year, it will be low in 2021. It's a late 1st.

Is a dollar now worth more than a dollar 3 years from now? The teams have been scouting the current draft class more heavily than 15/16 Year olds so there is more certainty surrounding the players available. What slightly offsets that is teams can have off years, if the pick is not protected there is always a chance it becomes a lottery pick while the 2019 Pick is 99.9 % a bottom 15 pick.

 

[Boondock]

First off as mentioned before, a 1st in 2021 is not the same as a first in 2019. A rebuilding team, I'll use Vancouver because I know them best, is moving a top 4 Dman as part of a rebuild, they are not interested in a draft pick in 2021 that will not be an NHL regular until 2023-2024. By 2024, a player like Horvat has already peaked and that window to win isn't as big a it would be if that player was a 2019 or 2020 pick. I understand why the Leafs don't want to trade firsts in back-to-back years, but you need to consider what the value is to the team receiving it. Bracco is another polarizing piece. I watched him in junior and have watched a handful of his AHL games, as well as read as many scouting reports as I can find dating back to 2012. He is a talented player, but he is not a pure goal scorer, so I am concerned that he will have a difficult time in putting pucks in the net at the NHL level. He is a very shifty skater, great on his edges but he is definitely not an elite skater. I see him falling between Cory Conacher and Tyler Johnson - so it would depend on the organization making the trade whether they feel he translate well to their NHL team.

 

[LucicAndChong]

I’m just going to let every Leafs fan know who is reading this, unless a trade offer from the leafs includes ONLY Matthews, Marner, Kadri, Rielly, Andersen or a 1st, you will be told that you’re just trying to trade spare parts.

And because no one on HFBoards is creative anymore, they will all just say “Spare Parts” because that’s what they’ve seen everyone else who hates on the leafs say and they just spew the same s*** that they hear others saying.

But for the actual trade, If we have a team that wants our futures, im more inclined to trade

2021 1st
Liljegren
Bracco
Rasanen
Timashov

If you want value you have to trade value

 

[TS Quint]

Lol. Bracco is a good player who's playing very well for the Marlies and anyone who's really seen him play knows leafs fans aren't "begging to trade him".

He sure comes up a lot in these trade forums.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Seriously though sports analyst, the guys whose job is to track these young players for drafting purposes, scouts ect. They say his skating isn't that good. They do however say his ling stride makes up for it somewhat. You can't just sit here and say his skating is fine when it is not.

You've literally never seem him play and you're making definitive statements based on an article on the internet?

 

[93gilmour93]

He sure comes up a lot in these trade forums.

Because he has value in a trade but just because he's offered up doesn't mean he has no value. Bracco is no 1st liner but he's got potential to be more then a 4th liner also

 

[Bazeek]

I don’t think the OP is aiming that high but I don’t see anyone offering a prime-aged Top-4 defenseman for that package either. Spurgeon was the closest thing mentioned in this thread (Good 3D, solid 2nd-pairing guy IMO) and a Wild poster already said that package is unappealing for him.

Spurgeon is substantially better than a 3D/second pairing guy.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Bracco won't be traded unless Dubas gets what he deems full value. Bracco is the exact type of player the Leafs were trying to develop.

 

[TS Quint]

Or maybe, just maybe, we're including him in trade proposals because our top 3 RWs are all 22 and under and it's going to be hard for a player like Bracco to crack this roster anytime soon.

I agree. But that's not determining his value at all.

 

[qqaz]

He sure comes up a lot in these trade forums.

So did Karlsson last year. Does that mean that Ottawa fans were "begging to trade him"?

No. Quite the opposite. But sometimes it's obvious that a player isn't going to be sticking around with their team, for a variety of reasons, so they get brought up in trade discussions.

 

[Edgelord]

Bracco won't be traded unless Dubas gets what he deems full value. Bracco is the exact type of player the Leafs were trying to develop.

I have him on the 4th line next yr.
We can use Lilj to entice teams to take Zaits and after Marleau gets his bonus it will be easy to move him.
I think Bracco will take Ennis's spot

 

[TS Quint]

So did Karlsson last year. Does that mean that Ottawa fans were "begging to trade him"?

No. Quite the opposite. But sometimes it's obvious that a player isn't going to be sticking around with their team, for a variety of reasons, so they get brought up in trade discussions.

Well yes they were. He wasn't going to sign. Did you believe Sens fans wanted to lose him for nothing? Very strange read on things.

 

[4thline]

He sure comes up a lot in these trade forums.

Pfft. You must not value money, spending it all willy nilly on things, talking about spending it on even more stuff.

Clearly your money is worthless, luckily people haven't picked up on your sham

 

[TS Quint]

I have him on the 4th line next yr.
We can use Lilj to entice teams to take Zaits and after Marleau gets his bonus it will be easy to move him.
I think Bracco will take Ennis's spot

Reasonable on the Zaitsev* part. But it's not other teams that need to be convinced to take Marleau. You have to convince Marleau who has never won a Cup to throw away his last chance just to help out the Leafs. That's a steep ask.

*Not WASTED, wtf

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Considering a GMs shelf life is less than 5 years, why would they want a late first 3 drafts later, that will take another 3-5 years to likely make an impact.

The rest is garbage. If Bracco is so good, then move someone from your current top 9.

I personally (as well as every GM in the league) wouldn’t move anything for this package

 

[Edgelord]

Reasonable on the Waisted part. But it's not other teams that need to be convinced to take Marleau. You have to convince Marleau who has never won a Cup to throw away his last chance just to help out the Leafs. That's a steep ask.

I am not worried about it, even if we have to take a page from Lou and LTIR him. They will make it work, or worst case we have to trade KK and A.J for futures.
Having a cpl extra 1sts and or a blue chipper doesn't hurt either

 

[Hobnobs]

Just a couple of things...i was more talking about 2020 1st+Bracco, and i never mentioned a top 2 D...would be looking for a top 4 D 1st style player.

Oh right, I read its a 1st D (as first pairing). My apologies.

 

[Liferleafer]

Oh right, I read its a 1st D (as first pairing). My apologies.

No worries.

 

[TS Quint]

I am not worried about it, even if we have to take a page from Lou and LTIR him. They will make it work, or worst case we have to trade KK and A.J for futures.
Having a cpl extra 1sts and or a blue chipper doesn't hurt either

I don't know why Marleau would agree to the LTIR, once again I think he wants his chance at the Cup and has no real injury history. But to indulge the fantasy
Because the Leafs still have Horton that will still cost them at least 3 million on the cap. Moving Horton to a Coyotes type team isn't really an option either. If I recall correctly he wasn't insured and the team must actually pay his salary.

 

[Colt55]

You've literally never seem him play and you're making definitive statements based on an article on the internet?

No i have watched him play for kingston and finland. I have only watched him play about 5-6 times but he is not a gracefull skater and 90% of the material on him is that he isnt the best skater. SO maybe he can get better maybe he doesnt

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Bracco won't be traded unless Dubas gets what he deems full value. Bracco is the exact type of player the Leafs were trying to develop.

So your GM won't voluntarily trade a player in a crappy deal?

 

[Brock Radunske]

So your GM won't voluntarily trade a player in a crappy deal?

Despite HFboard's wishes, that's the hope.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Seriously though sports analyst, the guys whose job is to track these young players for drafting purposes, scouts ect. They say his skating isn't that good. They do however say his ling stride makes up for it somewhat. You can't just sit here and say his skating is fine when it is not.

Sports analyst, you posted a link of a nobody on a nobody article. Sports analyst lmao.
You know don't know what ur talking about haha.

 

[bigbabybuda]

Is a dollar now worth more than a dollar 3 years from now? The teams have been scouting the current draft class more heavily than 15/16 Year olds so there is more certainty surrounding the players available. What slightly offsets that is teams can have off years, if the pick is not protected there is always a chance it becomes a lottery pick while the 2019 Pick is 99.9 % a bottom 15 pick.

Yes a $1 now is worth more than one 3 years from now. Thats basic economics. A player drafted today at 15 can be helping your team in a year or 2. One drafted 3 years from now isn't helping you for 4-5 years. This is all common sense.

 

[ref19]

Leaf fans have been begging to trade Bracco for a long time. No one is buying into the BS that he's a top 9 on every other team. You are offering a 1st and spare parts. Good luck.

Exactly this. Bracco doesn’t look like he’ll be an NHLer