GDT: Maple Leafs @ Devils - 7:00 PM - MSG

[TheUnseenHand]

Being there, in the moment, I didn't hate it.

But I do like a little crazy from a fan base.

And the crowd was bonkers from that point on.

That said, we made our point, no more of that.


Let them shred.

This is the second time it happened this year. Those wrist bands came raining down at the end of the home opener, as did several beers. Just not nearly as many because it was the end of the game.

 

[HughJazz3dg]

If I’m being honest, my least favourite call in last nights game was when Murray destroyed the post and didn’t get a delay of game. The rest I can swallow as a coin flip/ correct call, but that was blatant as hell.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

This is the second time it happened this year. Those wrist bands came raining down at the end of the home opener, as did several beers. Just not nearly as many because it was the end of the game.

It was stupid to throw shit, but what an amazing crowd it was other than that. The pop after we scored was playoff level. You could even see the camera shaking on the behind the net angle.

I’d much rather deal with an overzealous crowd than a lifeless, empty building.

 

[devilsblood]

This is the second time it happened this year. Those wrist bands came raining down at the end of the home opener, as did several beers. Just not nearly as many because it was the end of the game.

Well, then yeah, no good.

Still last night was an extreme situation,

And the crowd was crazy loud afterwards.

It was stupid to throw shit, but what an amazing crowd it was other than that. The pop after we scored was playoff level. You could even see the camera shaking on the behind the net angle.

I’d much rather deal with an overzealous crowd than a lifeless, empty building.

100% agreement.

And yeah, no doubt, can't be throwing shit. Don't be that fan base.

But last nights crowd was awesome.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Well, then yeah, no good.

Still last night was an extreme situation,

And the crowd was crazy loud afterwards.


100% agreement.

And yeah, no doubt, can't be throwing shit. Don't be that fan base.

But last nights crowd was awesome.

I mean, I get it. I just don't think you can possibly objectively justify it. If Marner is a whiny baby than so are we as a fanbase for throwing shit in a literal temper tantrum. If this happened in Philly we would absolutely and rightfully be tearing their fans apart.

 

[devilsblood]

I mean, I get it. I just don't think you can possibly objectively justify it. If Marner is a whiny baby than so are we as a fanbase for throwing shit in a literal temper tantrum. If this happened in Philly we would absolutely and rightfully be tearing their fans apart.

I'm not trying to justify it, or vilify it.

 

[johnny pierogi]

I'm not surprised about the trash and beer throwing but certainly don't condone it. There are mouth breathing idiots at every game. Have you seen some of the mutants that show up at the Rock? That being said, let's not pretend the same thing wouldn't have happened anywhere else if the building was sold out w/ a crowd that came to possibly see history made and ended up getting dicked down by the referees.

All the Leafs fans acting like this was the greatest officiating crew ever are just laughable.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I'm not trying to justify it, or vilify it.

I am trying to vilify it. It's inexcusable no matter the circumstances.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

We lost, move on.

 

[NJDevs26]

I've said this ad nauseum.

Of all the goals taken away, THIS was the most egregious.

We should've been heading for OT (if things proceeded the same way) at the very least.

I know there's an expression regarding how a team has the refs in their backpocket....but I think this is ACTUALLY THE CASE here.

A referee who is from Toronto should NEVER officiate a game involving his Home team because of obvious CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Are we talking about Chris Rooney? Cause I would rather have a random guy from Toronto with a Leafs jersey on officiating a game than this jackass, this is at least the third time now we've had weird shit happen with him - the Bernier call, Pete getting ejected after calling out Rooney for his bullshit late the next season and now this. I'm sure there's been a couple other instances in between that which weren't quite as egregious.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Oh no, people I don't care about and will never meet will talk bad about us. Who gives a shit what other fan bases think about us or the morons on spitting chicklets and other meaningless media outlets have to say. I certainly don't.

 

[NJDevs26]

Saw this shared on the main board somewhere (can’t remember the source, thanks whoever you are!). How this counted in recent years but not Tatar’s goal is such a freakin’ mystery to me lol.

Because that game didn't have Chris Rooney doing it?

 

[devilsblood]

I am trying to vilify it. It's inexcusable no matter the circumstances.

I can see that.

Oh no, people I don't care about and will never meet will talk bad about us. Who gives a shit what other fan bases think about us or the morons on spitting chicklets and other meaningless media outlets have to say. I certainly don't.

Going to a Maple Leafs board and begging forgiveness? I guess some people want to do that, but I certainly ain't.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Just with inflation alone you shouldn't waste a good beer....Shouldn't throw anything....That said I wouldn't cry about it if I'm Marner....As far as the replays let the fans see it and fully explain it...Nonetheless the Refs shit the bed and caused a lot of the chaos that ensued...It is what it is and it's not a common thing at the Rock...Ruffs response was classic...

 

[devilsblood]

We lost, move on.

And do what? talk about Turkey?

 

[Rhodes 81]

Like I said, I've literally been the person hit by a beer being thrown at a sporting event, so I'm not condoning that for a second.

But the holier than thou shit is bs. Every fan base has morons that will do this shit. The idea that there is any arena in the league that wouldn't see the same thing in a game like that is laughable.

 

[glenwo2]

Like I said, I've literally been the person hit by a beer being thrown at a sporting event, so I'm not condoning that for a second.

But the holier than thou shit is bs. Every fan base has morons that will do this shit. The idea that there is any arena in the league that wouldn't see the same thing in a game like that is laughable.

Omg...so much THIS.

That is why what Marner said was so hypocritical because he's acting like his own Fanbase's sh-t don't stink.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Oh well, let's have a good day folks

 

[Jack Be Quick]

You should get banned for throwing shit on the ice as well. That’s a complete trash move. Just hoping this doesn’t become a repeat thing every time we have calls against us in a big game.

It's gross behaviors but I unfortunately can't say I'm upset about it.

That was ratchet officiating and the team had no business losing. I actually can't recall seeing anything like it.

 

[glenwo2]

I'm not surprised about the trash and beer throwing but certainly don't condone it. There are mouth breathing idiots at every game. Have you seen some of the mutants that show up at the Rock? That being said, let's not pretend the same thing wouldn't have happened anywhere else if the building was sold out w/ a crowd that came to possibly see history made and ended up getting dicked down by the referees.

All the Leafs fans acting like this was the greatest officiating crew ever are just laughable.

I see you saw my tweet. lol

I mean considering how bad officiating has been since forever in this league, seeing Laffs fans praise the officials is hilarious in its stupidity.

 

[MachoDiablo]

Hate to break it to ya but you ain't that important lol but seriously should have stuck around, the place exploded when Dougie got a goal that counted and the last few minutes with them trying to tie it was wild and fun.

Believe me, I know, but I’m a lifelong baseball fan and nonsense fan superstitions come with the territory. It was a fun scene in the bar with the people who had the same idea I did, at least!

 

[glenwo2]

And do what? talk about Turkey?

The refs (Rooney in particular) were the real Turkeys here.

 

[MartyOwns]

 

[StevenToddIves]

First waved off goal should've counted

All three. All three were specifically not disallowable under the NHL rulebook.

Goal one was incidental contact with the goalie before the shot was taken. Murray had time to set again, the shot ricochets off Bastian and in. No way the ref could have even seen the play, since Murray did not physically move and the only part of his body affected was his skate, which maybe moved between one and two inches. This was the only goal where the rulebook is unclear enough that it could have been taken off, however.

Goal two had Murray several yards out of the crease. Tatar is skating around the back of the net. Murray realizes he gave the puck away at the same time Tatar tries to skate back into the play. They bump lightly and Murray dives and starts yelling at the ref as the puck goes in the net. Murray was not in a space which was entitled to him, and Tatar is not even looking at Murray when they bump. There is absolutely nothing in the rulebook which suggests incidental contact with a goalie yards away from the crease is a penalty or grounds to disallow a goal. In fact, Murray should clearly have been called for a dive. More pressingly, the rule is that intentional (or unintentional) goalie interference is a penalty -- so why was the goal disallowed but Tatar not sent to the box? It was almost as if the refs knew Tatar did nothing illegal, but as soon as they wiped off the goal they didn't realize they had contradicted their own argument.

Goal three had Haula kick the puck from the side of the crease towards the middle, hoping a Devil teammate would bang it home. The kick was sideways. The NHL rulebook does not state "a kicking motion" but rather specifies "a kicking motion towards the net" as illegal when scoring a goal. This was not a kicking motion towards the net, and furthermore the puck then contacted not just one but two Leafs players before going in. There was no cause whatsoever to disallow this goal.

I would like to see any of the disallowed goals explained using the NHL rulebook. The first goal was admittedly murky, and perhaps a bad interpretation of the actual rules. The last two goals were absolutely good goals going by the actual NHL rules.

The refereeing in this game was amateur and inexcusable. Again, the Devils fans were absolutely 100% wrong with throwing items on the ice in frustration. But how do we discuss this without also realizing the obvious fact that the refs filled the arena with kerosene and then lit the wick? It was a shameful way to end a 13-game win streak which was one of the top feel-good stories in the NHL thus far this season.

A family of four going to a Devils game costs well over $500 in sum. Including food and travel expense the cost could very well go much higher. There has to be some consideration. Let the players decide the outcome of the game which everyone pays good money to see! No one paid to see the referees take victory away from the Devils and hand it to the Leafs by bending the NHL rulebook in untenable directions to favor the bigger-market visitors.

 

[Whaddagoal]

All three. All three were specifically not disallowable under the NHL rulebook.

Goal one was incidental contact with the goalie before the shot was taken. Murray had time to set again, the shot ricochets off Bastian and in. No way the ref could have even seen the play, since Murray did not physically move and the only part of his body affected was his skate, which maybe moved between one and two inches. This was the only goal where the rulebook is unclear enough that it could have been taken off, however.

Goal two had Murray several yards out of the crease. Tatar is skating around the back of the net. Murray realizes he gave the puck away at the same time Tatar tries to skate back into the play. They bump lightly and Murray dives and starts yelling at the ref as the puck goes in the net. Murray was not in a space which was entitled to him, and Tatar is not even looking at Murray when they bump. There is absolutely nothing in the rulebook which suggests incidental contact with a goalie yards away from the crease is a penalty or grounds to disallow a goal. In fact, Murray should clearly have been called for a dive. More pressingly, the rule is that intentional (or unintentional) goalie interference is a penalty -- so why was the goal disallowed but Tatar not sent to the box? It was almost as if the refs knew Tatar did nothing illegal, but as soon as they wiped off the goal they didn't realize they had contradicted their own argument.

Goal three had Haula kick the puck from the side of the crease towards the middle, hoping a Devil teammate would bang it home. The kick was sideways. The NHL rulebook does not state "a kicking motion" but rather specifies "a kicking motion towards the net" as illegal when scoring a goal. This was not a kicking motion towards the net, and furthermore the puck then contacted not just one but two Leafs players before going in. There was no cause whatsoever to disallow this goal.

I would like to see any of the disallowed goals explained using the NHL rulebook. The first goal was admittedly murky, and perhaps a bad interpretation of the actual rules. The last two goals were absolutely good goals going by the actual NHL rules.

The refereeing in this game was amateur and inexcusable. Again, the Devils fans were absolutely 100% wrong with throwing items on the ice in frustration. But how do we discuss this without also realizing the obvious fact that the refs filled the arena with kerosene and then lit the wick? It was a shameful way to end a 13-game win streak which was one of the top feel-good stories in the NHL thus far this season.

A family of four going to a Devils game costs well over $500 in sum. Including food and travel expense the cost could very well go much higher. There has to be some consideration. Let the players decide the outcome of the game which everyone pays good money to see! No one paid to see the referees take victory away from the Devils and hand it to the Leafs by bending the NHL rulebook in untenable directions to favor the bigger-market visitors.

Thank you! Good analysis...