Management Threads | Structure. Standards. Habits.

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Says who?

Nobody thinks the team is making a cup run.

Speaking of fluff…….

I can respect this. I feel super burned, yet it was the post he torched, not the poster.

Take note, children.

 

[Hodgy]

Well Provorov wasn't traded for nothing. He was traded for Grens (who was talked about here as a trade target), Walker (worth a mid round pick at the deadline), this year's 1st (22nd), and two future 2nds. They had to take Cal Petersen's contract of course. It's a good return if you don't view Provorov as a 1st pairing Dman (which most don't).

A simpler way to look at it is that Columbus gave up Kings' 1st and a 2nd round pick for a salary retained Provorov.

Ya, my post was based on initial reports that were incorrect. Please ignore it.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Provorov is so much better you can't be serious.

He compared Hronek to Myers too so...

 

[gringo]

So they aren’t shopping Boeser? Fire these guys out of a cannon and into the sun.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

So they aren’t shopping Boeser? Fire these guys out of a cannon and into the sun.

I predict that the tune on this changes.

I think Boeser's an interesting case-study.

Sports fans tend to have a lot of empathy for sad stories (like his father).

Sports fans also tend to have a binary and unempathetic view towards players who don't work hard enough to be in shape.

I think Boeser is probably the union of those two things. He was distracted and distraught and showed up to camp in poor shape, with a surgically repaired wrist that tore itself open, and never caught up to the game.

I predict we see a different Boeser this year.

 

[F A N]

Not sure why Hronek discussion thread was locked. Thought the Severson deal was interesting. Severson will be 29 and is a UFA of course.

 

[strattonius]

I predict that the tune on this changes.

I think Boeser's an interesting case-study.

Sports fans tend to have a lot of empathy for sad stories (like his father).

Sports fans also tend to have a binary and unempathetic view towards players who don't work hard enough to be in shape.

I think Boeser is probably the union of those two things. He was distracted and distraught and showed up to camp in poor shape, with a surgically repaired wrist that tore itself open, and never caught up to the game.

I predict we see a different Boeser this year.

That's optimistic and I hope you're right. To me it looks more and more like we keep making excuses for a player that's old enough to have his head straight before a season starts.

Last year seemed like a perfect case for Boeser to re-find his game. His father had passed and he had the opportunity to come to camp re-invigorated and to play FOR his dad. But he was bad all year. Then he had another emotional end of year press conference about how his head wasn't in the right place but that he's taken responsibility for how he was feeling. I get everyone grieves different and it's a special situation but maybe it's more likely we always have an excuse for Boeser - that's the trend to me. An emotional player with too many on's and off's.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

That's optimistic and I hope you're right. To me it looks more and more like we keep making excuses for a player that's old enough to have his head straight before a season starts.

Last year seemed like a perfect case for Boeser to re-find his game. His father had passed and he had the opportunity to come to camp re-invigorated and to play FOR his dad. But he was bad all year. Then he had another emotional end of year press conference about how his head wasn't in the right place but that he's taken responsibility for how he was feeling. I get everyone grieves different and it's a special situation but maybe it's more likely we always have an excuse for Boeser - that's the trend to me. An emotional player with too many on's and off's.

He had hand surgery, which he sustained on an injury of day 3 of training camp...That has nothing to do with coming into camp with the wrong attitude.



The trend is, is that he has injured himself at the beginning of every season of his career , except one.

It wasnt a good year for Boeser, but he still managed to put up 55 points, which aint half bad.

 

[strattonius]

He had hand surgery, which he sustained on an injury of day 3 of training camp...That has nothing to do with coming into camp with the wrong attitude.



The trend is, is that he has injured himself at the beginning of every season of his career , except one.

It wasnt a good year for Boeser, but he still managed to put up 55 points, which aint half bad.

He specifically stated he didn't have his head in the right place in the year end presser. There's a 'rehab and getting to game speed' grace period that I totally understand but what you're showing me is more excuses made for Boeser. He wasn't a reliable option last year and in the scenario where he plays a fully healthy year (unlikely), I just don't believe he'll have his game straightened out. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He specifically stated he didn't have his head in the right place in the year end presser. There's a 'rehab and getting to game speed' grace period that I totally understand but what you're showing me is more excuses made for Boeser. He wasn't a reliable option last year and in the scenario where he plays a fully healthy year (unlikely), I just don't believe he'll have his game straightened out. Hope I'm wrong.

He still had unresolved grieving issues last season, but I agree with you...after awhile it comes down to results...He literally played himself off the team, and onto the trade block.

Having said that, last season his point totals were 1 point shy of his career best, and his play had a significant uptick after Tocchet took over..(enough so, that the team and player re-pledged their commitment to each other for next season).

Moving him would cost assets, he'd be a 'cap dump'....Given his age , and production, that wouldnt be a good idea imo...I'm hedging my bets , he'll be better next season.

 

[Nucker101]

Injured hand should impact strength training, not speed. I’m pretty sure it’s possible to keep your lower body in top shape without squats

 

[PuckMunchkin]

So they aren’t shopping Boeser? Fire these guys out of a cannon and into the sun.

They already created all the cap space we will ever need when they traded Dickinson.

 

[HairyKneel]

So they aren’t shopping Boeser? Fire these guys out of a cannon and into the sun.

Who knows what they are doing? Do you expect them to give the fans and media a heads up before they make moves?

 

[me2]

So they aren’t shopping Boeser? Fire these guys out of a cannon and into the sun.

They are shopping him. Zero interested buyers so they gave up asking around.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

They are shopping him. Zero interested buyers so they gave up asking around.

They're not shopping him now...but the conversation would have been Allvin going " What assets do I have to give you to take on Boesers contract...or maybe you have some inefficient garbage contracts you're trying to get rid of..?"

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Who knows what they are doing? Do you expect them to give the fans and media a heads up before they make moves?

They do not expect to be able to move Boeser with how low his value currently is. It wont look like they failed to do so if they say they are not attempting to do so. I think they are quite meticulous with what information they say.


Now if we had time on our side... If next season was not playoffs or bust for the management; We could give Boeser prime deployment 5on5 on EPs wing and PP1 time, for a significant time, to pump his value up.

But that is not where we are at.

They are shopping him. Zero interested buyers so they gave up asking around.

This was just few months ago.

 

[F A N]

That's optimistic and I hope you're right. To me it looks more and more like we keep making excuses for a player that's old enough to have his head straight before a season starts.

Last year seemed like a perfect case for Boeser to re-find his game. His father had passed and he had the opportunity to come to camp re-invigorated and to play FOR his dad. But he was bad all year. Then he had another emotional end of year press conference about how his head wasn't in the right place but that he's taken responsibility for how he was feeling. I get everyone grieves different and it's a special situation but maybe it's more likely we always have an excuse for Boeser - that's the trend to me. An emotional player with too many on's and off's.

He still had unresolved grieving issues last season, but I agree with you...after awhile it comes down to results...He literally played himself off the team, and onto the trade block.

I think there's a difference between demanding results and giving Boeser excuses. We could "make excuses" for Boeser while demanding results.

I think the "excuses" for Boeser is legitimate and should not be downplayed. The previous season his father's declining health was obviously on his mind. After his father's death he's obviously grieving. There was a possibility that he would put all his focus on hockey but that's not a given and probably unhealthy.

With that said, this is a business and it can be cut throat. The Canucks are under no obligation to continue giving Boeser opportunities.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I think there's a difference between demanding results and giving Boeser excuses. We could "make excuses" for Boeser while demanding results.

I think the "excuses" for Boeser is legitimate and should not be downplayed. The previous season his father's declining health was obviously on his mind. After his father's death he's obviously grieving. There was a possibility that he would put all his focus on hockey but that's not a given and probably unhealthy.

With that said, this is a business and it can be cut throat. The Canucks are under no obligation to continue giving Boeser opportunities.

No argument from me there.

 

[Yultron]

Who do fans think management is going to trade First to clear cap space ?

My money is on Garland

 

[VanJack]

Who do fans think management is going to trade First to clear cap space ?

My money is on Garland

Leaving aside the obvious guys like Pettersson and Hughes, there are only three players who would be on the 'positive' side of the ledger if the Canucks decided to deal them.

In other words, if they traded these three guys, they'd actually be able to make a 'hockey trade' instead of eating salary; coughing up draft picks; or taking back another bad contract.

Those guys are Miller, Garland and Demko. That's about it. I suppose Mikheyev or Beauvillier might net you a draft pick or two if you could find somebody willing to take on their contracts. But you're not getting any useful assets back who could help immediately.

As for the rest of the Canucks--forget about it.

 

[brock hughes007]

So they aren’t shopping Boeser? Fire these guys out of a cannon and into the sun.

Imo,Boeser better be on his dam skates right now getting into the best shape of his life.The only time I seen him on the ice last season,was when he was trying to get off it.As a fan,I'm not counting on him anymore.It is totally time to move on with him.He is to soft a player,and it's one injury after another.

 

[Yultron]

Leaving aside the obvious guys like Pettersson and Hughes, there are only three players who would be on the 'positive' side of the ledger if the Canucks decided to deal them.

In other words, if they traded these three guys, they'd actually be able to make a 'hockey trade' instead of eating salary; coughing up draft picks; or taking back another bad contract.

Those guys are Miller, Garland and Demko. That's about it. I suppose Mikheyev or Beauvillier might net you a draft pick or two if you could find somebody willing to take on their contracts. But you're not getting any useful assets back who could help immediately.

As for the rest of the Canucks--forget about it.

I’m very open to trading Garland and I think it’s very likely he is gone and hopefully we can get back a 2nd round pick and B level prospect. Heck I would even accept a 2nd and 4th round pick .

I don’t know if Miller will be traded , But we will see .

This so called Major Surgery could transpire

 

[DFAC]

Leaving aside the obvious guys like Pettersson and Hughes, there are only three players who would be on the 'positive' side of the ledger if the Canucks decided to deal them.

In other words, if they traded these three guys, they'd actually be able to make a 'hockey trade' instead of eating salary; coughing up draft picks; or taking back another bad contract.

Those guys are Miller, Garland and Demko. That's about it. I suppose Mikheyev or Beauvillier might net you a draft pick or two if you could find somebody willing to take on their contracts. But you're not getting any useful assets back who could help immediately.

As for the rest of the Canucks--forget about it.

Hronek?

 

[RobertKron]

Yeah, Kuzmenko ain't worth shit.

 

[valkynax]

Just saw a random video on youtube talking about top 5 worst hockey GM's.

Two things make me laugh - the video maker puts Gillis there while omitting JEB, and...somehow he decided to use Ryan Kesler's picture when mentioning the Ryan Parent trade lmao.

Some human beings are just not that bright now are they.