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Management Thread | Who needs draft picks Edition
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Clowns. All of them. Idiots. All of them.
f***ing depressing.
f***ing depressing.
I wonder if I could somehow get hold of the canucks 2nd round pick next year and make the selection?
Gotta love the moves so far, we will be a legit stanley cup contender in a year.
Exciting times ahead!!
Exciting times ahead!!
Reverend Mayhem
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The f*** you got against clowns?
LickTheEnvelope
Weird time to be a Canucks fan 2024
I am interested to see what they trade their top 10 pick for, or if they are actually gonna try to go on a good run here to "give the fan base hope."
Ride Demko, Hughes and Hronek playing near 30 mins a night with the top line double shifting.
What a ridiculous season.
Ride Demko, Hughes and Hronek playing near 30 mins a night with the top line double shifting.
What a ridiculous season.
It doesn't push them into cap hell. At least not any further into cap hell. They have some LTIR space yet right now and quite frankly the obvious thing is that Myers Cap $6.5 mil cap hit will go buh bye once his bonus is paid. He will be moved to a team with open cap but not wanting to spend money. If one were to simply do the straight replacement reduces cap by over $2 mil next year. But a lot of works continues to be needed on that front of course.
It's not that..I can understand that but many are simply it's OEL all over again for the same reasons. That's not the case. I think people are way too polarized in thinking every trade is going to be a pure futures move etc. There are going to be hockey trades no matter what situation the team is in. This to me is a hockey trade.
Now we can argue value and OEL was obviously extremely negative right from the get go. I don't get that same sinking feeling on this. This isn't a ridiculous player target like OEL was. It can be argued it's completely opposite. I don't know enough about the player but from taking in a lot of stuff tonight it seems like he is a 25 year old improving 20+ minute a night RHD. That has value...maybe not this much but I'd rather pay this price than a similar price for Ekholm. I think if you lobbed off the second round pick it would be a lot more palatable. And well perhaps similar picks are recoverable in future moves. Like I say, it seems clear we are looking at many more moves right now. There could be a surprise at the end.
I would also say that they desperately need to move assets around to address the blueline. That aspect was never going to be pretty on paper every single time. And, quite frankly, it was never going to be fully addressed by drafting. There was bound to be a very significant trade or two in all of this. I've been around long enough to know that "big trades" often have very polarized appraisals and almost no one actually ends up getting that appraisal correct because it is completely polarized.
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this is more like the gudbranson trade than the oel trade. it's a huge retool gamble on an age gap player they are hoping is taking a step. they have overpaid for that possibility.
that trade defined benning because he f***ed up the scouting.
so let's see how well allvin's crew scouted this guy.
that trade defined benning because he f***ed up the scouting.
so let's see how well allvin's crew scouted this guy.
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i've just accepted there's no patience with this group and they're gonna trade their way through it
the interesting question now is how they are going to navigate the cap next offseason
they've got more than 50 million committed to boeser, garland, oel, miller, mikheyev, hughes, kuzmenko and demko. they've got lazar, raty and maybe lekkerimaki and truscott on sub 1m contracts (plus anyone else they draft/bring in this offseason). hronek, beauvillier, joshua, podkolzin, aman and pettersson will all need resigning. bear, hoglander and maybe kravtsov will have to be accounted for also
how on earth do they improve this team without giving up more assets?
the interesting question now is how they are going to navigate the cap next offseason
they've got more than 50 million committed to boeser, garland, oel, miller, mikheyev, hughes, kuzmenko and demko. they've got lazar, raty and maybe lekkerimaki and truscott on sub 1m contracts (plus anyone else they draft/bring in this offseason). hronek, beauvillier, joshua, podkolzin, aman and pettersson will all need resigning. bear, hoglander and maybe kravtsov will have to be accounted for also
how on earth do they improve this team without giving up more assets?
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What we really need is a fire Allvin chant at the next game to really nail home how pissed off the fanbase is with the garbage age-gap retool plan.
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I’ve been thinking for the last few hours about the Vancouver Canucks and my relationship with them.
I think part of the reason I find myself so frustrated with them is because I refuse to believe in their mission statement.
They’re a organization that will try to retool on the fly. Retool by making hockey trades using draft picks for players within the ages of 23-27.
My problem is it’s not what I want and I don’t think it’s a good idea but the reality is that’s what they’re saying they’re gonna do and it’s what they’re doing. They’re being very clear about it as well.
I just don’t believe in the process and keep telling myself that they will subscribe to my vision of how a team should be built and then getting upset when they do what they’re saying they’re gonna do and not what I think they should.
HFBoards is a bit of a bubble too that I get caught up in.
Are they right in how they’re building the team? I don’t think so but they’re following the mission statement from the owners so until that changes I suppose I will just have to acknowledge they’re gonna attempt to do it the way they want. I shouldn’t invest effort in to the process.
I think part of the reason I find myself so frustrated with them is because I refuse to believe in their mission statement.
They’re a organization that will try to retool on the fly. Retool by making hockey trades using draft picks for players within the ages of 23-27.
My problem is it’s not what I want and I don’t think it’s a good idea but the reality is that’s what they’re saying they’re gonna do and it’s what they’re doing. They’re being very clear about it as well.
I just don’t believe in the process and keep telling myself that they will subscribe to my vision of how a team should be built and then getting upset when they do what they’re saying they’re gonna do and not what I think they should.
HFBoards is a bit of a bubble too that I get caught up in.
Are they right in how they’re building the team? I don’t think so but they’re following the mission statement from the owners so until that changes I suppose I will just have to acknowledge they’re gonna attempt to do it the way they want. I shouldn’t invest effort in to the process.
Diogenes92
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A trade like this might make sense for a bubble wildcard team. Not a bottom ten team with next to no prospects or draft picks.
Get ready for buyouts and the trading of even more assets in the offseason only for them to miss the playoffs again next year.
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Ok, just clearing it up. The player could be fine, but to me it’s just so disappointing seeing them throw two top forty picks at an Aquilini special. Trying to cut the line as usual.
This, man. This. I feel exactly like you do, but you lay it out without my uhh special “flair”. Thanks.
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we couldn't for one draft year, just ONE DAMIT, just one, we can't do one draft year with more picks than usual. Nope. absolutely not. cannot.
from this day on, it doesn't matter who we have as a GM. he's just a puppet without real power or says. Francesco is the owner, and the manager and they do what they tell him to do.
gg.
from this day on, it doesn't matter who we have as a GM. he's just a puppet without real power or says. Francesco is the owner, and the manager and they do what they tell him to do.
gg.
You're clueless man. Absolutely clueless. You're railing on people who are upset because their team, who has been a bottom dweller for a decade and is still a bottom dweller, went and traded two top 40 picks away in advance of the best draft in a long time. Our team went entirely against the grain of what teams in this same position have always done with success, and you're dumbfounded as to why people don't support that.
lawrence
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it's because for once, THE ENTIRE Canuck fan base, includes our bros from Canucks.com and reddit, we thought for once, ok we will tank this year, and add draft capital for at least 2023. It was something we were looking forward too. for once it seems like the ownership is ok with one tank year, Its suppose to be 2 or 3, ok, we will forget this season, tank hard, add draft picks, but nope.
Our management does a next-level bull shit, which did the opposite. We traded 3 1st rounders in the past 4 years. This is how bad things are and finally, Canuck fans had enough! My expecations were too add more picks, so it turns out its not, so are we even tanking or not? This guy add immediate help to our lineup, which will actually hurt our tank odds. ! also he's not a partner for Hughes! hes' not an ideal partner for Hughes, he's another offensive dman that plays a solid game! wtf is this!!! Yea i'm upset!
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This management better have some horseshoes up their ass and get a 2nd rounder at the least in the next 2 days, or f*** off.
I don't think I have ever been this pissed off, minus the playoffs before.
I don't think I have ever been this pissed off, minus the playoffs before.
Not only did they trade those 3 1st rounders, they traded them while having a bottom 5 prospect pool and not a lick of playoff success.
The Canucks are truly in a weird league of their own. Teams just don't operate this way unless they're a contending team who has had success in the playoffs and/or have a surplus of futures to spare.
You should probably watch Hronek play before you burn the city down.
I'm clueless for having patience and wanting to see the big picture? You can't grade this deal until we know what type of roster is heading into next year.
Being a bottom dweller for a decade is a moot point. These things already happened - it's a sunk cost.
You have to look forward and see what's the best moves for this organization.
We don't know yet for this trade... and probably won't be able to properly grade this deal for another 4-5 years.
But yeah... I'm clueless for wanting to give the player a shot before I burn the city down. Yup.
You know, it's very telling of the team situation, when fans of some of the Canucks most hated rivals, and most other fans, are all universally feeling pity and sorry for us, all while agreeing that this team is literally a laughingstock because of they way its run. It's easy to get caught up in this one single act, but it's not just one, it's been years and years of it.
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lawrence
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bro.... I don't think we do man.... Originally I though ok... we must have something brewing behind the scenes to add another 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder from someone else via Boeser, JT, or somebody.... No way we are this stupid. WE MUST HAVE SOMETHING BREWING. There's nothing to show for.
Prepare for hurt man. I'm preparing myself for the worst.
JR and Allvin literally said 100 times they were retooling.
If you don't like this direction they're heading in, that's too bad.
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