Management Thread | Regular Season Edition

[rypper]

Is he a lazy AF and acts out when things don't go his way? By all accounts he walks the talk in all aspects of his career.

Winning probably helps teammates get passed his "quirks."

Except for Tony Gallagher. Skeletor was always the management mouthpiece during this era.



@EpochLink get ready! The forum is going to call for Gillis to be GM again...

He just bought a hockey team in Switzerland so I think he might have his hands full.

 

[Bubbles]

Winning probably helps teammates get passed his "quirks."



He just bought a hockey team in Switzerland so I think he might have his hands full.

What team?

 

[rypper]

What team?

Sorry attempting to buy a team. Jumped the gun.

 

[F A N]

I'm starting to sour on this management group. They way they do business is kinda toxic.

It's almost Trumpian how Allvin ramped up the Pettersson vs Miller thing when that's just a sideshow to their absolute failure to construct an NHL level defensive group.

You almost wonder if they've been doing this behind the scenes for a while. It directly undercuts how Tocchet and the players have been trying to tamp this down. Meanwhile Tocchet is on the last year of his deal and Allvin certainly didn't give him a vote of confidence either.

Looks like it's going to be a bumpy road ahead. Maybe it's time for the Sedins to step into the president role and promote Castonguay to GM.

I'm not sure if Castonguay is the answer given that she is the subject of a human rights lawsuit filed by a disgruntled ex-employee (I do say this in jest as I back Castonguay here). I just hope it's not Ryan Johnson.

Odd choice for Gillis. He certainly wasn't a fan of Sekeres back in the day. I guess Gillis is having a hard time keeping his profile up now though.

Gilman has been on S&P so not that odd of a choice. In reality, there aren't that many shows to choose from.

 

[Jack Burton]

Now go out and get that #3D that can hold his own

 

[DFAC]

Except for Tony Gallagher. Skeletor was always the management mouthpiece during this era.



@EpochLink get ready! The forum is going to call for Gillis to be GM again...

I miss how the 2010 team and Gillis had a **** you and we're better than you attitude. This year's team could use some of that

 

[theguardianII]

I miss how the 2010 team and Gillis had a **** you and we're better than you attitude. This year's team could use some of that

Swagger.

Look out, Buffalo will want to spend big and make a market splash.
"whatever it takes to get Pettersson"?
They HAVE to sell tickets for next year starting now.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

While everyone is talking players no one is talking about the team’s character. No one. That’s the difference between the Canucks and everyone else. They don’t have the attitude that they are the best team every time they hit the ice.

This is a horrid stretch of their schedule and they’re laying some turds as a result. That said, they need to find that ‘f*** you, we’re better than you’ attitude on this trip and fast.

To me it's more of a confidence issue and they forgot what market they play in. Which is more or less a different way of saying what you said.

@Bubbles Tony iirc was a key proponent of the Gillis hire as well. Everyone and their f***ing dog wanted Brian Burke back, which is so Vancouver. "I DONT NEED YOU.......WAIT COME BACK!" He will never ever get another shot, IMO. But he's learned a ton from his own failures, I'm sure.

Sure, Gillis was terse with our media. But so was Burke and Nonis. And then Benning after awhile. After awhile, you kind of have to wonder aloud why that would be. I have my own theories.

 

[Bubbles]

To me it's more of a confidence issue and they forgot what market they play in. Which is more or less a different way of saying what you said.

@Bubbles Tony iirc was a key proponent of the Gillis hire as well. Everyone and their f***ing dog wanted Brian Burke back, which is so Vancouver. "I DONT NEED YOU.......WAIT COME BACK!" He will never ever get another shot, IMO. But he's learned a ton from his own failures, I'm sure.

Sure, Gillis was terse with our media. But so was Burke and Nonis. And then Benning after awhile. After awhile, you kind of have to wonder aloud why that would be. I have my own theories.

That's because they were friends before he was hired. Gallagher and Geoff Courtnall got in the ear of Aqua and convinced him to hire Gillis.

 

[theguardianII]

Benning er Allvin needs to get his shoes cleaned because he has stepped in it. Or get a shovel.

Why is it rookie GM's make the same mistakes?

Allvin is coming very close to making all the same mistakes as Elmer but much faster.

But I do think he has more of a chance to correct the mistakes. The pain will be more but the longer he waits to rip off the bandaid the more the pain.

You know Rutherford stated upon hiring he didn't need to learn the team because there was so much video and he had watched. But everything changed when Allvin was assigned the job of running the team.

The "owned" media marketing has spent so much time diverting fans attention from the idea that Allvin and the coach may have some blame that social media is now gaining more credibility.
I will give Dhali credit when he ridiculed the point percentage on this road trip. 1W & 4L but his was pointing out before last game a .500 points percentage of 1W 3L. This just shows that bad teams are .500 and .500 doesn't represent a winning team with the OTL points

 

[Jack Burton]

Clock is ticking Alvin & JR.

You have gotten yourselves into quite the pickle this season with the decisions you’ve made.

Not only do you have to figure out a way to get this team into the playoffs but ya better sit down and truly contemplate if this core group of miller, pettersson, boeser, debrusk, hughes, hronek & demco are the way to go moving forward. I think some very hard decisions are needed to be made here and personally, the sooner the better.

 

[tantalum]

Hmmm, go all in and forget the future?

Trade Pettersson for a veteran 2nd line center and a top 4 dman with maybe a pick thrown in.
Sure, why not. Let next year take care of itself. Rumor has it Zibanejad might still be available if they throw in Schnieder. Then they have the first and second line centers locked up for another 6 years. Both will be in their late 30's but the roster spots are locked in.
Keep Boeser and offer him a 7 million 8 year deal with a NMC taking him to age 36 yrs old, who cares if he can still play then, he is already slower so maybe he learns to fight to keep a roster spot.
The team just has to jettison two or three other bottom six players to get him to fit.
Trade away a few more top picks for rentals, hell they won't be helping the team for 2 or 3 years down the road.
They might even be able to trade Willander/Lekkerimaki and a 1rst for O'Reilly or Nelson. There both vet centers that will help right now. The two prospects are years yet down the road and no real help this year. Right now.

Personally I still lean towards moving Miller. And the reason really is his demeanor. When things are going well it's not an issue but when it isn't, well, it pours gasoline on the fire. Everyone has known a teammate like that and you gloss over the quirks because of recent memories of what he could be. But eventually those memories fade and I get the feeling that is where we sit right now.

Willander/lekkerimaki....they are not years away. Willander will be a top 7 guy as soon as his college year ends. Lekkerimaki is gaining some trust right now. He may not be in the top of the lineup but he's getting his shifts and he's doing a decent job with his defensive responsibilities. If that continues he isn't going to see much more AHL time. He should be a fixture in the lineup from day 1 next year. Soon to be useful prospects are not the ones you move unless the return is substantial. Guys in their mid-30s, one a pending UFA and the other with years left on a contract, do not fit that bill.

 

[racerjoe]

Personally I still lean towards moving Miller. And the reason really is his demeanor. When things are going well it's not an issue but when it isn't, well, it pours gasoline on the fire. Everyone has known a teammate like that and you gloss over the quirks because of recent memories of what he could be. But eventually those memories fade and I get the feeling that is where we sit right now.

Willander/lekkerimaki....they are not years away. Willander will be a top 7 guy as soon as his college year ends. Lekkerimaki is gaining some trust right now. He may not be in the top of the lineup but he's getting his shifts and he's doing a decent job with his defensive responsibilities. If that continues he isn't going to see much more AHL time. He should be a fixture in the lineup from day 1 next year. Soon to be useful prospects are not the ones you move unless the return is substantial. Guys in their mid-30s, one a pending UFA and the other with years left on a contract, do not fit that bill.

Judging purely from the outside, we need to either trade Miller OR bring in someone with the personality to control him better. We have heard of a few player who could, and it doesn’t have to be a star, just someone who can go to him and be like hey man… cool it.

 

[theguardianII]

So the President of Boston, Neely, states after Jacobs makes a statment;
“We’re aware of the expectations here,” Neely said. “We try to meet and exceed those every year. Right now, it’s a year that we’re not really accustomed to.”

This is the difference between a winning culture and this team's losing culture. There are no expectations stated in public by team officials, just messages by the "owned" marketing media to sell more hope, ignore problems, never say anything bad especially in games of certain players, manipulate the message to the market.

Boston failed after winning the cup, they re-tooled and got 3 1rst round picks in one season then numerous playoff appearances.
Winning teams have a push from the top and little patience. IF it ain't good enough change it.
Boston has had just as many coaching changes and more Adams winners than the Canucks. But the Canucks have spent more money for 103 fewer wins since 2016.
They had a winning core, Canucks haven't in 11 years.
Media still sites the team as "all those young players", who? One NHL regular under 26 yrs old?

Boeser - 2015
Pettersson - 2017
Hughes - 2018
Demko - 2014
Miller - 2015

It's 2025. What have they accomplished? One earned playoff season, one.

Norris trophy winner, singular, Adams trophy, singular, 100 pt seasons, singular, Veznia finalist, singular. No whole. Just a bunch of singular performances. Sells tickets though.

Players can get frustrated and lose hope too, like all people can.

Who would know a good team better than the players themselves? They have been giving all they have for 7 years without breaking through, unless posters think they haven't been.

 

[Slapshot_11]

After one year this Management team has brought us back the good old dim jim days of embarrassment

 

[Jyrki21]

I've been making the 2007-08 analogy since November --



The team never felt right even when they were getting results (although the 07-08 team was well ahead of this pace). But the fact that it's locker room dynamics that seem to be sewering the season make it a little closer to 2005-06 in some respects. Everyone just looks miserable right now.

Even though I've felt the team wasn't likely to make the playoffs since that tweet at least, the math is still on their side if they can get something going, which almost certainly means management has to do something very bold. Including taking a loss on a trade just to get the personalities apart (and reclaim some cap space). Unless the faction on the side of whoever gets traded is extra-bitter, it could help even if you don't get an on-par talent back from any trade -- we've seen each of Miller and Pettersson play better when the other guy isn't there.

All that said, if Demko can't get back to star-level, the outlook is a lot bleaker for this group than for a team who flipped its storm cloud for Roberto Luongo.

 

[Bubbles]

The honeymoon for this management group is finally over. I'm glad people have come back to their senses and judge this management objectively instead of always comparing to that shitshow Benning.

Everyone knew the problem going into this season was the d-core and what did they do? They spent money on Desharnais and hoped a bunch of career 7th defensemen in Juulsen and Forbort could suddenly become 4th and 5th defenseman. And then they splashed money to DeBrusk, who IMHO, was an unnecessary addition.

Tonight they showed absolutely ZERO fight back or resolve. Hell if I was Tocchet it would be bag skates tonight and tomorrow.

Who was that ex-Canucks that called the dressing a room "a country club"? He wasn't wrong.

 

[racerjoe]

The honeymoon for this management group is finally over. I'm glad people have come back to their senses and judge this management objectively instead of always comparing to that shitshow Benning.

Everyone knew the problem going into this season was the d-core and what did they do? They spent money on Desharnais and hoped a bunch of career 7th defensemen in Juulsen and Forbort could suddenly become 4th and 5th defenseman. And then they splashed money to DeBrusk, who IMHO, was an unnecessary addition.

Tonight they showed absolutely ZERO fight back or resolve. Hell if I was Tocchet it would be bag skates tonight and tomorrow.

Who was that ex-Canucks that called the dressing a room "a country club"? He wasn't wrong.

It’s not debris that’s the bad money, it’s still on the d where our bad money is. Take out myers and Desharnais and you can afford a 5 mil dman, and this team looks much better.

 

[Quinntessential]

How did they miss fleecing the Rangers for Kakko? I would’ve been happy with JT Miller for Kakko straight up at this point.

 

[Cancuks]

Tocchet was a one year wonder and there was a reason he was doing color on TV, I don't think the players respect him. Can't trade the whole team so they should replace him. Grab Quenneville before someone else picks him up, or maybe even Gallant. But I got a feeling this management is holding out hope that Sullivan gets the axe in Pittsburgh.

 

[F A N]

Tocchet was a one year wonder and there was a reason he was doing color on TV, I don't think the players respect him. Can't trade the whole team so they should replace him.

Tocchet was working as a studio commentator/analyst. That's different from being a "color" commentator.

Grab Quenneville before someone else picks him up

No thanks

 

[Bubbles]

It’s not debris that’s the bad money, it’s still on the d where our bad money is. Take out myers and Desharnais and you can afford a 5 mil dman, and this team looks much better.

Lol at the autocorrect there.

Well that's the point. They played hardball with zadorov, and spent poorly on desharnais and Myers. And getting guys that handle pucks like grenades and insisting on a "on the rush" system is just pure lunacy.