Management Thread | Regular Season Edition

[HairyKneel]

And yet the Canucks are 7-2-3 when not firing on all cylinders...

Not sure how you can consider adding a UFA Marner or Rantanen given the cap situation in the next 2 seasons. You aren't going to flip Demko or EP with zero salary coming back.

He wants to dismantle the team at every turn. I would say he's up and down like a whore's pants but he always seems to be down. He needs a good dose of the Partridge Family. "Com on get happy"

 

[theguardianII]

He wants to dismantle the team at every turn. I would say he's up and down like a whore's pants but he always seems to be down. He needs a good dose of the Partridge Family. "Com on get happy"

Just "Money Puck".
Value for dollars spent.

The core has been here for years with only one good season. At sometime the "wait for it" becomes a decade and then maybe too late.

IMO if EP was scoring at his previous rate the team would be a contributor.

Cap space to do things is more valuable than just over paying
Fans and posters were not happy with the Eriksson contract but he was actually outperforming EP but EP is paid almost twice as much.

Demko's injury history, again IMO if they can get out from under that contract it opens up 5 million that is doing nothing at all right now and he has had his spot filled pretty good so far for less than 1/5 his cap hit. Pretty sure Lankinen could be signed for a little less or even if the same, he plays.

EP's play has at a rate of $7,254.54 per minute played and $339,512.20 per point. (5 points). This has been a trend since January last year, 46 easy season games, 13 real season, playoffs plus the dozen easy season games this year.

Demko, $304,878.05 per game so far to watch. The injury is not his fault but this is only about money puck and cap usage. He hasn't played a full season, ever. He has been so important up until this new goalie, for team success his absence is more than just money spent.

Just as a comparison, JT Miller is at $5090.14 per minute played and $106,403.16 per point. K. Sherwood, $1,425.40 per minute played and $31,358.89 per point (7 points)

Unless the player is a dman, EP's numbers are horrendous at 11.6 mil and as a "stud" point producer indescribably worse at that money and opportunity given him.

2 goals this season and one a pylon could have scored.

Plainly it isn't working for him here now, I just hope management doesn't wait like they did with Eriksson until his league value is so diminished and his confidence so eroded sweeteners are needed to recover that all so valuable cap space and his career is cratered.

With a win now team with a short window waiting is perilous. Half a season, 60+ games may be too long.

 

[HairyKneel]

It's not a short window. Just opened up last season. Should be open fr 5 or 6 years yet. Enjoy it if it's possible for you.

 

[theguardianII]

It's not a short window. Just opened up last season. Should be open fr 5 or 6 years yet. Enjoy it if it's possible for you.

Yep a core past their prime will be ... mushy middle? A 40 yr old Miller will still be the #2 center, 43 yr old Myers patrolling the right side? For Dmen mid 30's is not s bad but for forwards unless elite it doesn't bode well

Boeser at 33, Garland at 33, Demko at 34, EP at 32, Hughes - 30.

Tocchet is not playing any high skill players that can't be boards guys as he has shown, none can play for him if they aren't "boards guys". Now another sniper, with defence issues I will agree, is gone. But he kept the other team on their heels just in case he got the puck. A good coach builds lines, not all are the same, but Tocchet only has one type of line.

So no replacements for QH or EP because those are drafted very early in the draft and will be a couple of years before showing up unless very early, like top 3 picks.

And that's if Hughes even decides to stay and play his career out on a dysfunctional team. Some players do want to win the cup and not just collect a paycheck.

Lekkerimaki can't play for Tocchet, EP might not either forcing a trade, Hughes really wants to play with his brothers and Demko might be finished or be a backup goalie due to injuries. Miller is already slowing down as many 32 yr old player do.

Just for you, after making the surprise 2015 playoffs they followed up with a less than quality 2016. I have stated many times that is what I expect this year,
in 2016 after 13 games they were second in the division, scored more goals, had fewer against and were a single point less than this year playing a tougher schedule.

I do think Lekkerimaki is toast under Tocchet, not big enough, not strong enough and never a forechecker in his short career that isn't what got him into the first round of the draft.

I have been involved in hockey for decades and seen and heard all the rhetoric, it is the repetition that becomes obvious to decades old fans.

I WANT the team to win, not just on a single night but for a season. I think that is lost on Allvin as it was on Bumbling Benning. Selling one nights entertainment, competitive while losing, a shiny sparkly to hold up to watch, a player. A purchased media to sell any thing positive in a huge loss.

This crew can be criticized, it is allowed, it is only the trauma of the Benning years that has many people in denial that it could be happening again. Only this time the fan's leash might be much shorter.

 

[arttk]

Yep a core past their prime will be ... mushy middle? A 40 yr old Miller will still be the #2 center, 43 yr old Myers patrolling the right side? For Dmen mid 30's is not s bad but for forwards unless elite it doesn't bode well

Boeser at 33, Garland at 33, Demko at 34, EP at 32, Hughes - 30.

Tocchet is not playing any high skill players that can't be boards guys as he has shown, none can play for him if they aren't "boards guys". Now another sniper, with defence issues I will agree, is gone. But he kept the other team on their heels just in case he got the puck. A good coach builds lines, not all are the same, but Tocchet only has one type of line.

So no replacements for QH or EP because those are drafted very early in the draft and will be a couple of years before showing up unless very early, like top 3 picks.

And that's if Hughes even decides to stay and play his career out on a dysfunctional team. Some players do want to win the cup and not just collect a paycheck.

Lekkerimaki can't play for Tocchet, EP might not either forcing a trade, Hughes really wants to play with his brothers and Demko might be finished or be a backup goalie due to injuries. Miller is already slowing down as many 32 yr old player do.

Just for you, after making the surprise 2015 playoffs they followed up with a less than quality 2016. I have stated many times that is what I expect this year,
in 2016 after 13 games they were second in the division, scored more goals, had fewer against and were a single point less than this year playing a tougher schedule.

I do think Lekkerimaki is toast under Tocchet, not big enough, not strong enough and never a forechecker in his short career that isn't what got him into the first round of the draft.

I have been involved in hockey for decades and seen and heard all the rhetoric, it is the repetition that becomes obvious to decades old fans.

I WANT the team to win, not just on a single night but for a season. I think that is lost on Allvin as it was on Bumbling Benning. Selling one nights entertainment, competitive while losing, a shiny sparkly to hold up to watch, a player. A purchased media to sell any thing positive in a huge loss.

This crew can be criticized, it is allowed, it is only the trauma of the Benning years that has many people in denial that it could be happening again. Only this time the fan's leash might be much shorter.

Wtf is math that hard? Miller is 32 right now, 32+5!= 40.

 

[theguardianII]

Wtf is math that hard? Miller is 32 right now, 32+5!= 40.

An exaggeration taken to an extreme, waiting does not mean getting better for an individual player.

 

[HairyKneel]

Wtf is math that hard? Miller is 32 right now, 32+5!= 40.

Hey....... he's been "involved" in hockey for decades.

 

[arttk]

Hey....... he's been "involved" in hockey for decades.

What if Miller is not 40 but we pretend he is 40, then this team is going to suck.

Why an insightful way to look at things eh

 

[F A N]

Tocchet is not playing any high skill players that can't be boards guys as he has shown, none can play for him if they aren't "boards guys". Now another sniper, with defence issues I will agree, is gone. But he kept the other team on their heels just in case he got the puck. A good coach builds lines, not all are the same, but Tocchet only has one type of line.

There's definitely a danger to building a team with the same type of players. I'm not sure that that is the case here given the makeup of our core players. Petey and Miller, for example, are different players so their lines naturally play a different game. I agree that a great coach can find ways to maximize a player's ability such as get the most out high skilled player who is defensively flawed for example. In reality, there aren't that many "high skill players that can't be boards guys" around.

 

[theguardianII]

No scoring threats. This is what happens when the skilled scorers aren't there.

As slow as Boeser is still a possibility that he might get a shot off.
Mikheyev's a defensive player, his speed playing with Kuz and Petey was a possibility.
Kuzmenko a goal scorer, the threat that he might.
Pettersson, 18 months ago, not playing this style

These players backed off defense and drew the better checkers allowing for other bottom six to face an easier defense.

Most teams aren't overly concerned from boards guys that get one every now and then.

Chemistry, not something that develops over night, last years team bonded very well they became close, then it was dismantled.

Two players regardless of "opinion", Cole and Zadorov, Cole added calmness and Zadorov actually added in two areas, he lightened the room and on the ice added a nuclear threat plus added positional stability.

This is not last years team, this is a Tocchet team, a plug and play team where every player is interchangeable with another with some getting rewarded with extra ice time and if there is a mistake then out comes the hook.

When a whole team is flat there is some reason. They never smile, they look dead, dead serious and no fun, they are doing jobs, chores. They are becoming "professionals" with guaranteed pay checks.

The core experienced the reward for last year's success, even more player turnover.

 

[Jack Burton]

No scoring threats. This is what happens when the skilled scorers aren't there.

As slow as Boeser is still a possibility that he might get a shot off.
Mikheyev's a defensive player, his speed playing with Kuz and Petey was a possibility.
Kuzmenko a goal scorer, the threat that he might.
Pettersson, 18 months ago, not playing this style

These players backed off defense and drew the better checkers allowing for other bottom six to face an easier defense.

Most teams aren't overly concerned from boards guys that get one every now and then.

Chemistry, not something that develops over night, last years team bonded very well they became close, then it was dismantled.

Two players regardless of "opinion", Cole and Zadorov, Cole added calmness and Zadorov actually added in two areas, he lightened the room and on the ice added a nuclear threat plus added positional stability.

This is not last years team, this is a Tocchet team, a plug and play team where every player is interchangeable with another with some getting rewarded with extra ice time and if there is a mistake then out comes the hook.

When a whole team is flat there is some reason. They never smile, they look dead, dead serious and no fun, they are doing jobs, chores. They are becoming "professionals" with guaranteed pay checks.

The core experienced the reward for last year's success, even more player turnover.

Tocchet calls for accountability.

I know a lot of people are freaking out but I don’t think it’s a player or coach problem. They will figure out the system…together.

It’s a management problem as they screwed up a pretty good offseason to stack up on D and give this forward group and Hughes something to work with.

We’re 15 games in and it ain’t over yet

 

[theguardianII]

Tocchet calls for accountability.

I know a lot of people are freaking out but I don’t think it’s a player or coach problem. They will figure out the system…together.

It’s a management problem as they screwed up a pretty good offseason to stack up on D and give this forward group and Hughes something to work with.

We’re 15 games in and it ain’t over yet

On pace with 2016

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Going back and reading my last message available to see in my history and this is what I wrote, in the old topic in 2018, The Rebuild Started.....

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The rebuild should of started in 2013 instead of the retool, and they could of started possibly being a more serious team by now, but because they didn't want to rebuild they've just prolonged the whole thing all together, and that's the issue I have and not happy about.

Basically 6 years later, and 11 years later from when I wanted them to actually do a rebuild, we're on a 2nd retool now under this new management, and what 5 coaches later, and the issues seem to be right back to where they started again. Just do a proper rebuild already and get it over with. This mediocre bubble team crap has gone on long enough.

 

[theguardianII]

Just thought I mention something I noticed in Tocchet's practice statement before the Ranger game.
I NEVER SAID Miller had a mental health issue, that was Dahli, he is the media person that said that many times hinting or outright saying Miller had mental health issues. My posted opinion was there was a different opinion/option/reason. My income doesn't rely on the good grace of the NHL/team/or owner of media rights.

There was no attack on Miller, no belittling him, no saying a mental health issue isn't serious.
An opinion. Now I guess I could say I was told by, lets say an "Ian" but then he might/would be fired but if I passed him to, lets say "Tom" in media and he said it then it is different/real?

In what, "in my opinion" was an public apology to Miller, a 180 from the criticism and benching of Miller Tocchet praised how good he was, how lucky he, Tocchet was to have THE BEST player he has ever coached and all that blah, blah, blah but what made it really interesting is it took place at a spot that there has never been a media scrum before,
In front of his Jack Adams trophy.
To remind folks that he is "The Man" and the trophy makes his decisions right?
To re-reinforce something? Why was that necessary? It makes me think that maybe there is alot more to the Canuck statement combined with Tocchet's comments and no NHLPA news (players entering for mental/addiction/? health reasons are usually announced for public awareness incentive and they will say ? has entered the ? program. Laine, Kassian, Lehner, Campbell, Girard and more serious but Nichuskin as examples, Miller just has the media doing that without any notifications, sort of like me stating an opinion
Who might Tocchet have been responding to is odd because most people would not need to be reminded that he got the Jack Adams trophy.

He isn't stupid, (this is praise for Tocchet) this was there for a reason? Maybe, could there have been a secondary or hidden message to someone?

Tocchet NEVER said he was sorry but did all but publicly klss Miller's arse. Why? And in front of the Jack Adams trophy as a back drop.

Another odd circumstance is the timing of the Canuck statement, just about the time they would find out he isn't showing up.

Ya, ya, played down but people have been sentenced in court with less circumstantial evidence.
If waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

Go by the time line.
Benched in third,
Tocchet then publicly in the post game media he throws Miller under the bus and states he wasn't good enough to play and there is no injury for benching as a reason, benched the the highest point producer late in a one goal game. Then the media created a "he lost his check" story but upon review it was Pettersson check who was wide open for the goal.

"*********" overheard I think

Then just minutes before the next practice a Canuck statement and then the dependent media starts saying the statement means something else entirely other than what it says, something mental health wise but the NHLPA knows nothing and they are the go to folks for mental distress issues of all kinds.

Petey's interview says, paraphrased, they will miss him as a point producing player and I think sometimes you have to listen sometimes to what is omitted and what might be a canned answer, "just say this ..."

To be clear, no player of any sport making 8 million a year has said "I don't feel like playing today" without having an injury, it is unprecedented, remember when Crosby would not come to Vancouver and the national stink it raised, or the suspensions for players not showing up for the all-star events.

Then the dependent (and some that are employed) media buries the story in one cycle

The Canucks have listed him as IR but that doesn't mean anything unless there is an insurance claim, they can list any player any time on IR just like they didn't list Boeser on IR, LTIR is a different animal though, but it means nothing and the bought media can make up anything they want as long as it passes the team, media owner and NHL smell tests.

Okay I have stated an opinion now on to the next fantasy stuff.

There is tons of heat around the Canucks getting LHD Pettersson from the Pens but I don't see how they can, at least not for another 6 weeks unless they use up all their cap space and there is retention. At that he is likely a rental that will cost something.

IMO Boston might be a better team to snag a dman from but there is issues with clauses and Canuck cap space. There is that nasty cap space issue and it gets worse for the Nucks because next year they pay two players a combined 5.5+ million to play for other teams, that's a decent defenceman. They may think a Peeke for Deharnais isn't too bad if there is a sweetener.

Columbus has an issue with RHD Jirieck and the GM is friendly with Rutherford, the cap space issue isn't an issue there and they could have an asset to trade.

How long can they or should they wait? That US thanksgiving day stuff is coming up soon and now the cushion for the WC2 spot is just 1 point and only 4 points out of 26th in the league.

If the offered assets are worth enough and open cap space the return should/could be signifcant if not for this year then then next 3 or 4.

Okay I will keep quiet about what I know and only state opinions like everyone else, I don't need to be told/warned more than twice to be silent about this. Not that being banned from here is such a life changing event, just an idle thought

 

[RobertKron]

Just thought I mention something I noticed in Tocchet's practice statement before the Ranger game.
I NEVER SAID Miller had a mental health issue, that was Dahli, he is the media person that said that many times hinting or outright saying Miller had mental health issues. My posted opinion was there was a different opinion/option/reason. My income doesn't rely on the good grace of the NHL/team/or owner of media rights.

There was no attack on Miller, no belittling him, no saying a mental health issue isn't serious.
An opinion. Now I guess I could say I was told by, lets say an "Ian" but then he might/would be fired but if I passed him to, lets say "Tom" in media and he said it then it is different/real?

In what, "in my opinion" was an public apology to Miller, a 180 from the criticism and benching of Miller Tocchet praised how good he was, how lucky he, Tocchet was to have THE BEST player he has ever coached and all that blah, blah, blah but what made it really interesting is it took place at a spot that there has never been a media scrum before,
In front of his Jack Adams trophy.
To remind folks that he is "The Man" and the trophy makes his decisions right?
To re-reinforce something? Why was that necessary? It makes me think that maybe there is alot more to the Canuck statement combined with Tocchet's comments and no NHLPA news (players entering for mental/addiction/? health reasons are usually announced for public awareness incentive and they will say ? has entered the ? program. Laine, Kassian, Lehner, Campbell, Girard and more serious but Nichuskin as examples, Miller just has the media doing that without any notifications, sort of like me stating an opinion
Who might Tocchet have been responding to is odd because most people would not need to be reminded that he got the Jack Adams trophy.

He isn't stupid, (this is praise for Tocchet) this was there for a reason? Maybe, could there have been a secondary or hidden message to someone?

Tocchet NEVER said he was sorry but did all but publicly klss Miller's arse. Why? And in front of the Jack Adams trophy as a back drop.

Another odd circumstance is the timing of the Canuck statement, just about the time they would find out he isn't showing up.

Ya, ya, played down but people have been sentenced in court with less circumstantial evidence.
If waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

Go by the time line.
Benched in third,
Tocchet then publicly in the post game media he throws Miller under the bus and states he wasn't good enough to play and there is no injury for benching as a reason, benched the the highest point producer late in a one goal game. Then the media created a "he lost his check" story but upon review it was Pettersson check who was wide open for the goal.

"*********" overheard I think

Then just minutes before the next practice a Canuck statement and then the dependent media starts saying the statement means something else entirely other than what it says, something mental health wise but the NHLPA knows nothing and they are the go to folks for mental distress issues of all kinds.

Petey's interview says, paraphrased, they will miss him as a point producing player and I think sometimes you have to listen sometimes to what is omitted and what might be a canned answer, "just say this ..."

To be clear, no player of any sport making 8 million a year has said "I don't feel like playing today" without having an injury, it is unprecedented, remember when Crosby would not come to Vancouver and the national stink it raised, or the suspensions for players not showing up for the all-star events.

Then the dependent (and some that are employed) media buries the story in one cycle

The Canucks have listed him as IR but that doesn't mean anything unless there is an insurance claim, they can list any player any time on IR just like they didn't list Boeser on IR, LTIR is a different animal though, but it means nothing and the bought media can make up anything they want as long as it passes the team, media owner and NHL smell tests.

Okay I have stated an opinion now on to the next fantasy stuff.

There is tons of heat around the Canucks getting LHD Pettersson from the Pens but I don't see how they can, at least not for another 6 weeks unless they use up all their cap space and there is retention. At that he is likely a rental that will cost something.

IMO Boston might be a better team to snag a dman from but there is issues with clauses and Canuck cap space. There is that nasty cap space issue and it gets worse for the Nucks because next year they pay two players a combined 5.5+ million to play for other teams, that's a decent defenceman. They may think a Peeke for Deharnais isn't too bad if there is a sweetener.

Columbus has an issue with RHD Jirieck and the GM is friendly with Rutherford, the cap space issue isn't an issue there and they could have an asset to trade.

How long can they or should they wait? That US thanksgiving day stuff is coming up soon and now the cushion for the WC2 spot is just 1 point and only 4 points out of 26th in the league.

If the offered assets are worth enough and open cap space the return should/could be signifcant if not for this year then then next 3 or 4.

Okay I will keep quiet about what I know and only state opinions like everyone else, I don't need to be told/warned more than twice to be silent about this. Not that being banned from here is such a life changing event, just an idle thought

You forgot to close your parentheses.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Just thought I mention something I noticed in Tocchet's practice statement before the Ranger game.
I NEVER SAID Miller had a mental health issue, that was Dahli, he is the media person that said that many times hinting or outright saying Miller had mental health issues. My posted opinion was there was a different opinion/option/reason. My income doesn't rely on the good grace of the NHL/team/or owner of media rights.

There was no attack on Miller, no belittling him, no saying a mental health issue isn't serious.
An opinion. Now I guess I could say I was told by, lets say an "Ian" but then he might/would be fired but if I passed him to, lets say "Tom" in media and he said it then it is different/real?

In what, "in my opinion" was an public apology to Miller, a 180 from the criticism and benching of Miller Tocchet praised how good he was, how lucky he, Tocchet was to have THE BEST player he has ever coached and all that blah, blah, blah but what made it really interesting is it took place at a spot that there has never been a media scrum before,
In front of his Jack Adams trophy.
To remind folks that he is "The Man" and the trophy makes his decisions right?
To re-reinforce something? Why was that necessary? It makes me think that maybe there is alot more to the Canuck statement combined with Tocchet's comments and no NHLPA news (players entering for mental/addiction/? health reasons are usually announced for public awareness incentive and they will say ? has entered the ? program. Laine, Kassian, Lehner, Campbell, Girard and more serious but Nichuskin as examples, Miller just has the media doing that without any notifications, sort of like me stating an opinion
Who might Tocchet have been responding to is odd because most people would not need to be reminded that he got the Jack Adams trophy.

He isn't stupid, (this is praise for Tocchet) this was there for a reason? Maybe, could there have been a secondary or hidden message to someone?

Tocchet NEVER said he was sorry but did all but publicly klss Miller's arse. Why? And in front of the Jack Adams trophy as a back drop.

Another odd circumstance is the timing of the Canuck statement, just about the time they would find out he isn't showing up.

Ya, ya, played down but people have been sentenced in court with less circumstantial evidence.
If waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

Go by the time line.
Benched in third,
Tocchet then publicly in the post game media he throws Miller under the bus and states he wasn't good enough to play and there is no injury for benching as a reason, benched the the highest point producer late in a one goal game. Then the media created a "he lost his check" story but upon review it was Pettersson check who was wide open for the goal.

"*********" overheard I think

Then just minutes before the next practice a Canuck statement and then the dependent media starts saying the statement means something else entirely other than what it says, something mental health wise but the NHLPA knows nothing and they are the go to folks for mental distress issues of all kinds.

Petey's interview says, paraphrased, they will miss him as a point producing player and I think sometimes you have to listen sometimes to what is omitted and what might be a canned answer, "just say this ..."

To be clear, no player of any sport making 8 million a year has said "I don't feel like playing today" without having an injury, it is unprecedented, remember when Crosby would not come to Vancouver and the national stink it raised, or the suspensions for players not showing up for the all-star events.

Then the dependent (and some that are employed) media buries the story in one cycle

The Canucks have listed him as IR but that doesn't mean anything unless there is an insurance claim, they can list any player any time on IR just like they didn't list Boeser on IR, LTIR is a different animal though, but it means nothing and the bought media can make up anything they want as long as it passes the team, media owner and NHL smell tests.

Okay I have stated an opinion now on to the next fantasy stuff.

There is tons of heat around the Canucks getting LHD Pettersson from the Pens but I don't see how they can, at least not for another 6 weeks unless they use up all their cap space and there is retention. At that he is likely a rental that will cost something.

IMO Boston might be a better team to snag a dman from but there is issues with clauses and Canuck cap space. There is that nasty cap space issue and it gets worse for the Nucks because next year they pay two players a combined 5.5+ million to play for other teams, that's a decent defenceman. They may think a Peeke for Deharnais isn't too bad if there is a sweetener.

Columbus has an issue with RHD Jirieck and the GM is friendly with Rutherford, the cap space issue isn't an issue there and they could have an asset to trade.

How long can they or should they wait? That US thanksgiving day stuff is coming up soon and now the cushion for the WC2 spot is just 1 point and only 4 points out of 26th in the league.

If the offered assets are worth enough and open cap space the return should/could be signifcant if not for this year then then next 3 or 4.

Okay I will keep quiet about what I know and only state opinions like everyone else, I don't need to be told/warned more than twice to be silent about this. Not that being banned from here is such a life changing event, just an idle thought

Dude, are you okay?

You ramble a lot and seem to see a lot of patterns that aren't there. Like acting as if Tocchet was playing 5D chess in some machiavellian assertion of power because the interview happened to occur near some reference to his Jack Adams last season is just...

It reminds me of the sorts of people who would come up to you at a bus stop and fold an American $20.00 bill 50 times to make it look like the twin towers on fire. And it's like, okay interesting origami and it's weird that one can manipulate it like that. But what the hell would be the message and to whom?

Like the "Illuminati" don't have access to a telephone to communicate with each other, but have a connection at the National Mint who sneaks in some hidden message that is only picked up by the sort of person who starts a lot of unwanted conversations with strangers and has tried 10,000 permutations of folding American bills to manipulate the images on it.

What I'm saying is, no Tocchet wasn't secretly beaming thoughts into anyone's head. Honestly, I think it's some combination of Canucks P.R. and the media who dictate where interviews happen.

 

[theguardianII]

What I'm saying is, no Tocchet wasn't secretly beaming thoughts into anyone's head. Honestly, I think it's some combination of Canucks P.R. and the media who dictate where interviews happen.

Okay then why in front of his Jack Adams trophy? When all the other interviews were somewhere else? Why need the reminder of his coach of the year status?

Just go by events and what was said then, the timing of events and don't try to interpret what was said.
Look at it from a Canuck team point of view.

They never said anything but the media changed the message and took it to a place where most questions would be stopped there.

Donny and Dahli have said on air "we don't want to get in trouble again" they don't get Canuck persons on air hardly at all anymore.
Paterson was had his credentials revoked.
Those aren't theories.

Tocchet told the media to not speculate while in front of his trophy. Have you ever heard him praise and glorify a player like that before, that much? Like you pointed out management may have chose that spot but why? A definite sublime message? "Hey this is our coach and he is the best in the league last year" Video certainly makes sure you can see the trophy over his shoulder. Canuck video.
Even if h did walk away from the tea they would still pay him or have to reveal more than they want to.

Dahli says "mental health", paraphrased, "the pressure got to be too much for him" that ended all stories and gave the media something else to direct attention to.
Dahli, a media guy became the source for all the mental health talk, not the team, not his agent, not Tocchet a media guy that "doesn't want to get in more trouble"
Now the stories are sourced from themselves, the media. Rogers owns the radio shows, Canucks own in house media, Rogers/NHL hockey related rights. Where are there any independent media anymore?

Even on social media forums like this there are warnings about quotes or dissing players. They have along arm and for anybody that needs their good graces for income they have the hammer and lots of money for lawyers. Forums demand the need to reveal sources names or face ....

So, IMO this could be so simple

An argument that two sides would not back down from and one side just followed through.
Coach vs Player.
JTMiller will be paid and the last few years of his play will make him welcome pretty much anywhere.

It's not really funny but my opinion of a conflict might actually support the player's position if my opinion is correct he has nobody on his side because it has been shuffled off to the side.


NOW THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE, FANTASY OR CONSPIRACY
With the NMC he would now control any deals so lets say he decides to go to a team with little high value assets coming back that would have an immediate effect waiting for futures, they have next to nothing of his value to trade back, that would be a real "FU" as Tocchet put it. What if he just agreed with the team to keep silent and just sits until a deal is done as long as he is paid.

One thing about Dahli's "mental health" thing is it would make coming back much easier with less fan discourse, if anything they will cheer that he is better now.

Dahli could be right, he may have known before the statement but he did appear to be prepared to insert something other than what had been in the statement.
Maybe in a couple of days there is a marriage issue, child illness issue or something else that needed closing sociel media accounts. Time will tell.

But for the Canucks right now it could be the nail in the coffin for this year and result in years of disarray if it is more and handled wrong.

 

[MS]

Hadn't clicked on this thread in a while, and if I knew how to link gifs I'd be posting the Grandpa Simpson at the bordello one.

 

[RobertKron]

Okay then why in front of his Jack Adams trophy? When all the other interviews were somewhere else? Why need the reminder of his coach of the year status?

Just go by events and what was said then, the timing of events and don't try to interpret what was said.
Look at it from a Canuck team point of view.

They never said anything but the media changed the message and took it to a place where most questions would be stopped there.

Donny and Dahli have said on air "we don't want to get in trouble again" they don't get Canuck persons on air hardly at all anymore.
Paterson was had his credentials revoked.
Those aren't theories.

Tocchet told the media to not speculate while in front of his trophy. Have you ever heard him praise and glorify a player like that before, that much? Like you pointed out management may have chose that spot but why? A definite sublime message? "Hey this is our coach and he is the best in the league last year" Video certainly makes sure you can see the trophy over his shoulder. Canuck video.
Even if h did walk away from the tea they would still pay him or have to reveal more than they want to.

Dahli says "mental health", paraphrased, "the pressure got to be too much for him" that ended all stories and gave the media something else to direct attention to.
Dahli, a media guy became the source for all the mental health talk, not the team, not his agent, not Tocchet a media guy that "doesn't want to get in more trouble"
Now the stories are sourced from themselves, the media. Rogers owns the radio shows, Canucks own in house media, Rogers/NHL hockey related rights. Where are there any independent media anymore?

Even on social media forums like this there are warnings about quotes or dissing players. They have along arm and for anybody that needs their good graces for income they have the hammer and lots of money for lawyers. Forums demand the need to reveal sources names or face ....

So, IMO this could be so simple

An argument that two sides would not back down from and one side just followed through.
Coach vs Player.
JTMiller will be paid and the last few years of his play will make him welcome pretty much anywhere.

It's not really funny but my opinion of a conflict might actually support the player's position if my opinion is correct he has nobody on his side because it has been shuffled off to the side.


NOW THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE, FANTASY OR CONSPIRACY
With the NMC he would now control any deals so lets say he decides to go to a team with little high value assets coming back that would have an immediate effect waiting for futures, they have next to nothing of his value to trade back, that would be a real "FU" as Tocchet put it. What if he just agreed with the team to keep silent and just sits until a deal is done as long as he is paid.

One thing about Dahli's "mental health" thing is it would make coming back much easier with less fan discourse, if anything they will cheer that he is better now.

Dahli could be right, he may have known before the statement but he did appear to be prepared to insert something other than what had been in the statement.
Maybe in a couple of days there is a marriage issue, child illness issue or something else that needed closing sociel media accounts. Time will tell.

But for the Canucks right now it could be the nail in the coffin for this year and result in years of disarray if it is more and handled wrong.

You still didn't close the parentheses.

 

[bandwagonesque]

You forgot to close your parentheses.

It's important to close your parentheses (when writing (about JT Miller (the Canucks forward (who is away from the team (for personal reasons))))).

 

[RobertKron]

It's important to close your parentheses (when writing (about JT Miller (the Canucks forward (who is away from the team (for personal reasons))))).

Correct.

 

[F A N]

Just thought I mention something I noticed in Tocchet's practice statement before the Ranger game.
I NEVER SAID Miller had a mental health issue, that was Dahli, he is the media person that said that many times hinting or outright saying Miller had mental health issues. My posted opinion was there was a different opinion/option/reason. My income doesn't rely on the good grace of the NHL/team/or owner of media rights.

There was no attack on Miller, no belittling him, no saying a mental health issue isn't serious.
An opinion. Now I guess I could say I was told by, lets say an "Ian" but then he might/would be fired but if I passed him to, lets say "Tom" in media and he said it then it is different/real?

In what, "in my opinion" was an public apology to Miller, a 180 from the criticism and benching of Miller Tocchet praised how good he was, how lucky he, Tocchet was to have THE BEST player he has ever coached and all that blah, blah, blah but what made it really interesting is it took place at a spot that there has never been a media scrum before,
In front of his Jack Adams trophy.
To remind folks that he is "The Man" and the trophy makes his decisions right?
To re-reinforce something? Why was that necessary? It makes me think that maybe there is alot more to the Canuck statement combined with Tocchet's comments and no NHLPA news (players entering for mental/addiction/? health reasons are usually announced for public awareness incentive and they will say ? has entered the ? program. Laine, Kassian, Lehner, Campbell, Girard and more serious but Nichuskin as examples, Miller just has the media doing that without any notifications, sort of like me stating an opinion
Who might Tocchet have been responding to is odd because most people would not need to be reminded that he got the Jack Adams trophy.

He isn't stupid, (this is praise for Tocchet) this was there for a reason? Maybe, could there have been a secondary or hidden message to someone?

Tocchet NEVER said he was sorry but did all but publicly klss Miller's arse. Why? And in front of the Jack Adams trophy as a back drop.

Another odd circumstance is the timing of the Canuck statement, just about the time they would find out he isn't showing up.

Ya, ya, played down but people have been sentenced in court with less circumstantial evidence.
If waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck.

Go by the time line.
Benched in third,
Tocchet then publicly in the post game media he throws Miller under the bus and states he wasn't good enough to play and there is no injury for benching as a reason, benched the the highest point producer late in a one goal game. Then the media created a "he lost his check" story but upon review it was Pettersson check who was wide open for the goal.

"*********" overheard I think

Then just minutes before the next practice a Canuck statement and then the dependent media starts saying the statement means something else entirely other than what it says, something mental health wise but the NHLPA knows nothing and they are the go to folks for mental distress issues of all kinds.

Petey's interview says, paraphrased, they will miss him as a point producing player and I think sometimes you have to listen sometimes to what is omitted and what might be a canned answer, "just say this ..."

To be clear, no player of any sport making 8 million a year has said "I don't feel like playing today" without having an injury, it is unprecedented, remember when Crosby would not come to Vancouver and the national stink it raised, or the suspensions for players not showing up for the all-star events.

Then the dependent (and some that are employed) media buries the story in one cycle

The Canucks have listed him as IR but that doesn't mean anything unless there is an insurance claim, they can list any player any time on IR just like they didn't list Boeser on IR, LTIR is a different animal though, but it means nothing and the bought media can make up anything they want as long as it passes the team, media owner and NHL smell tests.

Okay I have stated an opinion now on to the next fantasy stuff.

There is tons of heat around the Canucks getting LHD Pettersson from the Pens but I don't see how they can, at least not for another 6 weeks unless they use up all their cap space and there is retention. At that he is likely a rental that will cost something.

IMO Boston might be a better team to snag a dman from but there is issues with clauses and Canuck cap space. There is that nasty cap space issue and it gets worse for the Nucks because next year they pay two players a combined 5.5+ million to play for other teams, that's a decent defenceman. They may think a Peeke for Deharnais isn't too bad if there is a sweetener.

Columbus has an issue with RHD Jirieck and the GM is friendly with Rutherford, the cap space issue isn't an issue there and they could have an asset to trade.

How long can they or should they wait? That US thanksgiving day stuff is coming up soon and now the cushion for the WC2 spot is just 1 point and only 4 points out of 26th in the league.

If the offered assets are worth enough and open cap space the return should/could be signifcant if not for this year then then next 3 or 4.

Okay I will keep quiet about what I know and only state opinions like everyone else, I don't need to be told/warned more than twice to be silent about this. Not that being banned from here is such a life changing event, just an idle thought

This is very hard to follow. You used to post without capitalization and spacing and you have improved on that. Maybe put in some headings?

 

[VanJack]

Bottom line, the Canucks are without a 40-goal scorer in Boeser; a 100-point center in Miller; and a goaltender who was runner-up in the Vezina voting a year ago.

A guess there are a few teams in the league that could survive the loss of those type of players---but off the top of my head, I'm having trouble coming up with one.

 

[RobertKron]

I was just wondering what the bottom line was!

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Okay then why in front of his Jack Adams trophy? When all the other interviews were somewhere else? Why need the reminder of his coach of the year status?

Just go by events and what was said then, the timing of events and don't try to interpret what was said.
Look at it from a Canuck team point of view.

They never said anything but the media changed the message and took it to a place where most questions would be stopped there.

Donny and Dahli have said on air "we don't want to get in trouble again" they don't get Canuck persons on air hardly at all anymore.
Paterson was had his credentials revoked.
Those aren't theories.

Tocchet told the media to not speculate while in front of his trophy. Have you ever heard him praise and glorify a player like that before, that much? Like you pointed out management may have chose that spot but why? A definite sublime message? "Hey this is our coach and he is the best in the league last year" Video certainly makes sure you can see the trophy over his shoulder. Canuck video.
Even if h did walk away from the tea they would still pay him or have to reveal more than they want to.

Dahli says "mental health", paraphrased, "the pressure got to be too much for him" that ended all stories and gave the media something else to direct attention to.
Dahli, a media guy became the source for all the mental health talk, not the team, not his agent, not Tocchet a media guy that "doesn't want to get in more trouble"
Now the stories are sourced from themselves, the media. Rogers owns the radio shows, Canucks own in house media, Rogers/NHL hockey related rights. Where are there any independent media anymore?

Even on social media forums like this there are warnings about quotes or dissing players. They have along arm and for anybody that needs their good graces for income they have the hammer and lots of money for lawyers. Forums demand the need to reveal sources names or face ....

So, IMO this could be so simple

An argument that two sides would not back down from and one side just followed through.
Coach vs Player.
JTMiller will be paid and the last few years of his play will make him welcome pretty much anywhere.

It's not really funny but my opinion of a conflict might actually support the player's position if my opinion is correct he has nobody on his side because it has been shuffled off to the side.


NOW THIS IS PURE CONJECTURE, FANTASY OR CONSPIRACY
With the NMC he would now control any deals so lets say he decides to go to a team with little high value assets coming back that would have an immediate effect waiting for futures, they have next to nothing of his value to trade back, that would be a real "FU" as Tocchet put it. What if he just agreed with the team to keep silent and just sits until a deal is done as long as he is paid.

One thing about Dahli's "mental health" thing is it would make coming back much easier with less fan discourse, if anything they will cheer that he is better now.

Dahli could be right, he may have known before the statement but he did appear to be prepared to insert something other than what had been in the statement.
Maybe in a couple of days there is a marriage issue, child illness issue or something else that needed closing sociel media accounts. Time will tell.

But for the Canucks right now it could be the nail in the coffin for this year and result in years of disarray if it is more and handled wrong.

Again man, you're taking absolute conjecture based on literally nothing concrete and running 50 miles with it.

It's a message board, so if you find it entertaining to do so then by all means, go all out.

But there's just nothing here.