Management Thread Blurst of Times

[theguardianII]

The only thing I'll give management a pass on, is the Demko injury (which probably actually tanked the franchise more than anything else), and Hughes injury later this season.

What a misleading story of that "mysterious" never heard of popliteus muscle injury thing has been.

This has been very well known since McDavids knee injury Waaaay back in April 2019 and his rehab.
Watch the Whatever It Takes, documentary released December 2019, it shows the injury and how they imaged it, very simple. Diagnosed in the first 24 hours.

McDavid had his popliteus muscle detached and no surgery.

from Sportsnet;

McDavid was initially diagnosed with a Grade 2 PCL strain because of all the swelling around his knee. A second medical opinion in Colorado revealed the full PCL tear, plus a torn meniscus on both sides of the knee, cracked fibia and a popliteus muscle that was torn right off the bone.

Pettersson's knee tendinitis?
popliteus tendinitis?

Nobody, media around here never heard of it? Never watched that miracle return documentary from such a bad injury?
Tocchet says;
Demko Popliteus and Pettersson tendinitis

Both are not mysterious or difficult to image/see/diagnose.

It is just hard to believe not one media sports show could not see this documentary and not make a comparison or reference. On Amazon they show all the injuries and show the names of each injury, Popliteus if shown in "living color", an old phrase referring first color TV's, NBC to clarity or images.

 

[theguardianII]

So we are discussing how predictable things were now?

So below two visuals of the predictable and unpredictable realms - only issue is i dont know where to slot the miller thing in on the bottom visual

The predictable realm can be more sure. There are things management can do and measure.
The unpredictable can be estimated on a preponderance of past outcomes, the odds.

How did Allvin know Miller would be "healed" a week or more before he returned, how could Allvin say when Miller would return? Miller slots in closer to the completely predictable.

Just listening to 650, in Jersey the fans are clamoring for the team to get Quinn, the reporter on the show said he gets multiple request/chats/tweets/instagrams/etc. daily, every day. He talked about how they will have to wait 2 years but the market wants him ASAP. NJD are ready for cup runs now and their window is good for another 7 years. Canucks don't have a window and can't match the Devils depth, chemistry and skill in only two years.

 

[Vector]

What a misleading story of that "mysterious" never heard of popliteus muscle injury thing has been.

This has been very well known since McDavids knee injury Waaaay back in April 2019 and his rehab.
Watch the Whatever It Takes, documentary released December 2019, it shows the injury and how they imaged it, very simple. Diagnosed in the first 24 hours.

McDavid had his popliteus muscle detached and no surgery.

from Sportsnet;

McDavid was initially diagnosed with a Grade 2 PCL strain because of all the swelling around his knee. A second medical opinion in Colorado revealed the full PCL tear, plus a torn meniscus on both sides of the knee, cracked fibia and a popliteus muscle that was torn right off the bone.

Pettersson's knee tendinitis?
popliteus tendinitis?

Nobody, media around here never heard of it? Never watched that miracle return documentary from such a bad injury?
Tocchet says;
Demko Popliteus and Pettersson tendinitis

Both are not mysterious or difficult to image/see/diagnose.

It is just hard to believe not one media sports show could not see this documentary and not make a comparison or reference. On Amazon they show all the injuries and show the names of each injury, Popliteus if shown in "living color", an old phrase referring first color TV's, NBC to clarity or images.

There's a big difference between Demko injuring only the popliteus and McDavid destroying his entire knee. As in, there was almost know information on how to rehab Demko's injury as opposed to an entire knee reconstruction. They are two rehab plans.

You and others have pointed to this McDavid injury and have gone "Ah-ha!" as if you've found a smoking gun. As far as anyone knows, it's pretty rare in sports to only injury the popliteus and most of the research and rehab was soccer related.

 

[theguardianII]

There's a big difference between Demko injuring only the popliteus and McDavid destroying his entire knee. As in, there was almost know information on how to rehab Demko's injury as opposed to an entire knee reconstruction. They are two rehab plans.

You and others have pointed to this McDavid injury and have gone "Ah-ha!" as if you've found a smoking gun. As far as anyone knows, it's pretty rare in sports to only injury the popliteus and most of the research and rehab was soccer related.

You should read up on the popliteus, tendons, muscles, ligaments, just about every major knee surgery involves some of these and MRIs image all the knee connections clearly. McD's was shown within 24 hours.
Demko never got a MRI on his knee? And the symptoms are easily diagnosed as well.

I found a smoking gun? I posted this way back when everyone was saying how mysterious and rare and how no hockey player had ever had it before.

I watched a documentary years ago about the best player in the world and remembered, I am sure a million people must have seen it, hardly a smoking gun and not hard to find.
This was seen by millions of people but apparently not one sports show guy in Vancouver.

Only in soccer? Then why do the studies refer to hockey? They had to have something to study. And yes it is more prevalent in soccer.

I have way more time to look into some of these statements, I got tired of being told what to think by owned media, marketers and influencers. I look into most information provided, I guess the word is fact check. But this was so obvious immediately. I got .....warned and lost some of the posts on various forums.

This is why I still say it is Demko's hip, a word that NONE of the owned media will mention except to say "I was told it isn't" told it isn't or told to say it isn't?
For yourself look up hip related symptoms and Schneider's injury history

If that comes out is it a smoking gun? I am sure he will suddenly have another injury that will be his hip at sometime.

This popliteus is just a blatant example of how the owned sports media can lead the public into what they want them to think.

 

[VanJack]

I know the fans and some of the 'in-house' media on the local Sportsnet channel are bummed out about the Canucks faltering and missing the post-season after such a promising break-through a year ago.

But I'm not entirely sure the Canuck front office is all that surprised about where the team is at. When you break down the season, the one thing stands out like a flashing red light is a massive roster turnover.

It started over the summer when the Canucks brought in eight UFA's and then traded for Brannstom, while cutting ties with three others in Lindholm, Zadorov and Cole.

Then they dumped four of the guys they brought in at mid-season--Heinen, Desharnais, Sprong and Brannstrom. They traded J.T. Miller and brought in three new players--Chytil, O'Connor and MP3. Finally, they bid adieu to Soucy.

I mean this kind of roster deconstruction hardly screams 'playoff contender' to me. And when you factor in all the injuries and the call-ups from Abbotsford, it's been absolute turmoil from a player personnel perspective.

Curiously, I think after all the smoke has cleared, this roster is probably a big improvement over what they started with. But they just ran out of time to mesh--and it turned out to be just not their year.

 

[andora]

The predictable realm can be more sure. There are things management can do and measure.
The unpredictable can be estimated on a preponderance of past outcomes, the odds.

How did Allvin know Miller would be "healed" a week or more before he returned, how could Allvin say when Miller would return? Miller slots in closer to the completely predictable.

Just listening to 650, in Jersey the fans are clamoring for the team to get Quinn, the reporter on the show said he gets multiple request/chats/tweets/instagrams/etc. daily, every day. He talked about how they will have to wait 2 years but the market wants him ASAP. NJD are ready for cup runs now and their window is good for another 7 years. Canucks don't have a window and can't match the Devils depth, chemistry and skill in only two years.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about

 

[arttk]

I know the fans and some of the 'in-house' media on the local Sportsnet channel are bummed out about the Canucks faltering and missing the post-season after such a promising break-through a year ago.

But I'm not entirely sure the Canuck front office is all that surprised about where the team is at. When you break down the season, the one thing stands out like a flashing red light is a massive roster turnover.

It started over the summer when the Canucks brought in eight UFA's and then traded for Brannstom, while cutting ties with three others in Lindholm, Zadorov and Cole.

Then they dumped four of the guys they brought in at mid-season--Heinen, Desharnais, Sprong and Brannstrom. They traded J.T. Miller and brought in three new players--Chytil, O'Connor and MP3. Finally, they bid adieu to Soucy.

I mean this kind of roster deconstruction hardly screams 'playoff contender' to me. And when you factor in all the injuries and the call-ups from Abbotsford, it's been absolute turmoil from a player personnel perspective.

Curiously, I think after all the smoke has cleared, this roster is probably a big improvement over what they started with. But they just ran out of time to mesh--and it turned out to be just not their year.

Injury list this season:
Demko - majority of the season
Hughes - 15ish games missed and then playing at 80% post injury
Petey - 10 games total and played majority of the season gimped from injury
Brock - 10 games or so and then gimped from concussion
Hronek - 20ish games missed?
edit: JOSHUA - a bunch of games due to cancer and then looking like crap after because he missed pre-season and offseason due to cancer.
and then you have
Miller - blowing up on the coach and team leading to an internal suspension of like 10 games?

That's honestly a f*** ton of injuries on all our key players. I don't think any team is built to withstand that. Even if there is like no new players and it's all just players from last year, it's not going to change anything.

 

[I am toxic]

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about

I put all of guardian's posts through an alien language translator

Not only has he solved quantum gravity and discovered the GUT, he is also pointing out that Demko does not currently have a knee injury, he has a hip injury

Unfortunately, due to the aforementrioned quantum gravity, Demko's hip is unable to maintain it's current state and through flux capacitation the injury has propagated backwards through time, such that future history books will record Demko as having never played a single NHL game due to being an amputee

 

[andora]

I put all of guardian's posts through an alien language translator

Not only has he solved quantum gravity and discovered the GUT, he is also pointing out that Demko does not currently have a knee injury, he has a hip injury

Unfortunately, due to the aforementrioned quantum gravity, Demko's hip is unable to maintain it's current state and through flux capacitation the injury has propagated backwards through time, such that future history books will record Demko as having never played a single NHL game due to being an amputee

How many gigawatts is that

 

[I am toxic]

How many gigawatts is that

137

duh

No, not 1.21, that's just silly

 

[andora]

137

duh

No, not 1.21, that's just silly

This checks out

 

[HairyKneel]

What a misleading story of that "mysterious" never heard of popliteus muscle injury thing has been.

This has been very well known since McDavids knee injury Waaaay back in April 2019 and his rehab.
Watch the Whatever It Takes, documentary released December 2019, it shows the injury and how they imaged it, very simple. Diagnosed in the first 24 hours.

McDavid had his popliteus muscle detached and no surgery.

from Sportsnet;

McDavid was initially diagnosed with a Grade 2 PCL strain because of all the swelling around his knee. A second medical opinion in Colorado revealed the full PCL tear, plus a torn meniscus on both sides of the knee, cracked fibia and a popliteus muscle that was torn right off the bone.

Pettersson's knee tendinitis?
popliteus tendinitis?

Nobody, media around here never heard of it? Never watched that miracle return documentary from such a bad injury?
Tocchet says;
Demko Popliteus and Pettersson tendinitis

Both are not mysterious or difficult to image/see/diagnose.

It is just hard to believe not one media sports show could not see this documentary and not make a comparison or reference. On Amazon they show all the injuries and show the names of each injury, Popliteus if shown in "living color", an old phrase referring first color TV's, NBC to clarity or images.

Here comes the internet doctor.

 

[HairyKneel]

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about

Neither does he.

 

[theguardianII]

Here comes the internet doctor.

Watch the documentary. Had that.

 

[ManVanFan]

Coaching list for when Tocchet leaves. Hopefully Canucks media managers read this.

Jay Woodcroft .643 win percentage
David Quinn .435 win percentage (rebuilding Rangers and tearing down Sharks)
Gerard Gallant .576 win percentage

New guys
Marc Savard -current asst in Toronto
Jay Leach - current asst in Boston
Marco Sturm - HC of Ontario Reign
David Carle - Denver university

From within
Manny Malholtra - He has been an NHL asst with Van and Toronto. He's done very good work down in Abbotsford. I don't think he's NHL HC material. He should be promoted to an asst over Yogi and would be good experience if they do go with a new guy who hasn't been an NHL HC before.

 

[pitseleh]

The fact this takes off after the team traded Miller and Hughes was largely hurt highlights how much the team’s defenders were holding them back.

 

[Jack Burton]

Oh boy!


We’re going to miss the playoffs.













I don’t want anyone to forget just how ludicrous it was to start this season with that D-corps assembled.

A total train wreck (completely predictable) which lead to the forward group meeting down because of(unpredictably) Elias Pettersson.

Just a total waste of a season and management should take it all

Not at all happy right now but I know that will pass and tomorrow will be another day.

 

[Jack Burton]

Oh

&


If it wasn’t for Rick Tocchet and the 20 other guys (or girls) in that locker room then we wouldn’t even be talking about a playoff spot!

Rick Tocchet ain’t the problem and I hope a lot of Vancouver Canucks fans can figure that out.

 

[Jack Burton]

Oh


&


Don’t forget that this management team had a chance to trade EITHER Elias Pettersson or JT miller to solidify the future of this franchise for years to come but………to be f*cking continued!

 

[Jack Burton]

Sorry but I’m posting pickles now because I’m so frustrated.

Hate to lose a season like that

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Some posters are absolutely salivating at the situation we are in.

There is ZERO chance we take any long term view these next two years.

I'll be shocked if we use our own first round pick this summer and the next.

 

[Pump n Dump]

Injury list this season:
Demko - majority of the season
Hughes - 15ish games missed and then playing at 80% post injury
Petey - 10 games total and played majority of the season gimped from injury
Brock - 10 games or so and then gimped from concussion
Hronek - 20ish games missed?
edit: JOSHUA - a bunch of games due to cancer and then looking like crap after because he missed pre-season and offseason due to cancer.
and then you have
Miller - blowing up on the coach and team leading to an internal suspension of like 10 games?

That's honestly a f*** ton of injuries on all our key players. I don't think any team is built to withstand that. Even if there is like no new players and it's all just players from last year, it's not going to change anything.

Didn't Forbort also miss a stretch or two at the beginning of the season?

 

[I am toxic]

The Canucks are . . . in a pickle

jus' sayin'

 

[Nucky]

Some posters are absolutely salivating at the situation we are in.

There is ZERO chance we take any long term view these next two years.

I'll be shocked if we use our own first round pick this summer and the next.

Long term view meaning what though? You lose Hughes if you rebuild.

I’ve been on team tank plenty of times before, it doesn’t make sense to do it when Hughes has pretty much publicly stated he’s done with rebuilds.

 

[Hodgy]

The biggest indictment for management is that they are likely going to miss the playoffs two out of the three last years where Quinn Hughes has arguably been the best defensemen in the league with one of the best and most efficient contracts in the league.