Management Thread Blurst of Times

[I am toxic]

Stop stop stop stop stop

We’ll get a chance to rebuild if Hughes decide to leave. Don’t have this loser mindset where you try to trade away the best D ever drafted by the team beacuse competing is hard.


Another one of Benning’s parting gift. Hughes and Petey should’ve both been on 8 year contracts. f*** that fat piece of shit.

Anyone else (not saying you did, just venting) who said oh look what Benning left us as if he did something good should STFU.

Easy now

Let's not disparage fat pieces of shit by comparing them to Benning

 

[lawrence]

hindsight comment.

I wished we kept Horvat. We did tender him a reasonable offer at 7.8, which was his agents asking price during the summer. But we opted to sign Jt MIller first, who was a superior offensive player at that time. now lookin back I wish we actually kept Horvat, trade Jt Miller, Keep Kuzemko and go from there.

 

[andora]

hindsight comment.

I wished we kept Horvat. We did tender him a reasonable offer at 7.8, which was his agents asking price during the summer. But we opted to sign Jt MIller first, who was a superior offensive player at that time. now lookin back I wish we actually kept Horvat, trade Jt Miller, Keep Kuzemko and go from there.

Not getting into the details of the whole Miller thing but for a team that's locked a lot of passion over different periods in the last several years Bo was not going to cut it

 

[theguardianII]

Tariffs and lowering Canadian dollar will or should how team's are built.

More important than ever will the draft and players under RFA become.
Teams can draft good to great players and have cap control on them for up to 8 years.

A 100 million dollar cap, in US dollars, is today costing Canadian teams 145 million CDN dollars.

I expect an internal cap might happen now.
This should change the TDL expectations.

On Miller;

Many posters knew he was this when motivated, there is no surprise.
Hopefully there is a team that see's his rebound performance and believe Pettersson can as well.

Pettersson's cap hit the way he is performing has just become even more impactful.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It's hard to blame this on Benning / Aquilini when Linden was the team president and responsible for setting the direction of the team. Unlike the Sedins, he chose to learn on the job and as a result made a lot of mistakes.

Obvously in comparison to Benning he is well spoken and so avoids a lot of the heat, but he deserves equal blame for denying the Sedins a chance to win the cup.

Wonder what happens if we let him learn and dont choose Benning.

Sakics start with the Avs was a disaster.

 

[Jyrki21]

This is just hugely problematic. I noticed that Canucksarmy noted that today is the anniversary of the Mogilny-Morrison trade. A perfect example of a trade that Aquilini would have nixed because of his short-term thinking, since the 1999-2000 Canucks were still fighting for a playoff spot, and Mogilny was a "name" player while Morrison was still largely a prospect.

Imagine if that trade doesn't get made because of ownership that doesn't understand what investment or opportunity cost are...

edit: Before anyone inevitably comes back with "the revenue is important to him! You can't discount that!" What I regularly ridicule about Aquilini is he doesn't seem to understand that building a sustained contender will result in far more revenue than going all-in for these tiny little peaks every eight years or so.

 

[supercanuck]

Wonder what happens if we let him learn and dont choose Benning.

Sakics start with the Avs was a disaster.

Linden's biggest mistake was vouching for re-signing that backstabbing traitor in 2018. He might still be here otherwise.

 

[F A N]

This is just hugely problematic. I noticed that Canucksarmy noted that today is the anniversary of the Mogilny-Morrison trade. A perfect example of a trade that Aquilini would have nixed because of his short-term thinking, since the 1999-2000 Canucks were still fighting for a playoff spot, and Mogilny was a "name" player while Morrison was still largely a prospect.

Imagine if that trade doesn't get made because of ownership that doesn't understand what investment or opportunity cost are...

edit: Before anyone inevitably comes back with "the revenue is important to him! You can't discount that!" What I regularly ridicule about Aquilini is he doesn't seem to understand that building a sustained contender will result in far more revenue than going all-in for these tiny little peaks every eight years or so.

I think the Mogilny trade is a poor example of what you're trying to say (which I don't disagree with). At the time, Mogilny was due for a salary increase So literally, the trade saved (edit: McCaw) millions.

And in hindsight and as much as I enjoyed the WCE era, what would have happened had we hung onto Mogilny and or traded him later? The height of the WCE era was 02-03 and Mogilny put up 33 goals and 79 points that year. If Mogilny stayed and managed to stay healthy, what could we have traded him for the following year after a 40+ goal season? Don't get me wrong, I would make the trade again. It's the type of return we would be better off getting from a Miller trade where we get a younger C about to hit his prime.

 

[Jyrki21]

I think the Mogilny trade is a poor example of what you're trying to say (which I don't disagree with). At the time, Mogilny was due for a salary increase So literally, the trade saved Aquilini millions.

So is Boeser...?

And in hindsight and as much as I enjoyed the WCE era, what would have happened had we hung onto Mogilny and or traded him later? The height of the WCE era was 02-03 and Mogilny put up 33 goals and 79 points that year. If Mogilny stayed and managed to stay healthy, what could we have traded him for the following year after a 40+ goal season? Don't get me wrong, I would make the trade again. It's the type of return we would be better off getting from a Miller trade where we get a younger C about to hit his prime.

So I was remembering Mogilny as being an impending UFA, but I guess he had one more year left on his deal. Which makes it even ballsier (and I remember at the time I didn't love it, so that helps explain why). All the more reason an Aquilini-esque owner would have blocked it.

 

[I am toxic]

Linden's biggest mistake was vouching for re-signing that backstabbing traitor in 2018 2015. He might still be here otherwise.

 fify

 

[F A N]

Another one of Benning’s parting gift. Hughes and Petey should’ve both been on 8 year contracts. f*** that fat piece of shit.

What's with the body shaming? I've said this many times before, there are benefits to bridge contracts. Had we signed Hughes to a bridge and then extended him to an 8 year contract the summer before last season when he won a Norris, 100% of us would prefer that scenario?

 

[F A N]

So is Boeser...?

Not the same. The Mogilny trade happened before the cap came in and there was still a need to watch our spending. With Boeser the concern is his cap hit should he decline in future years. If teams are allowed to buyout players without affecting the cap then I don't think term would be an issue. And I should have said McCaw rather than Aquilini.

So I was remembering Mogilny as being an impending UFA, but I guess he had one more year left on his deal. Which makes it even ballsier (and I remember at the time I didn't love it, so that helps explain why). All the more reason an Aquilini-esque owner would have blocked it.

Yes he had another year. I recall we were trying to trade Messier and somehow we ended up keeping him as our own rental. Should have traded him. Anyhow, I think an owner concerned about money would consider the dollar savings. Yes playoff revenue is nice but trading Mogilny for Morrision was a $4.5M? difference in salary. I think at the time our payroll was like ~$28-30M and Mogilny was set to make more than $5M.

So ya I think there's a difference between the Canucks making lots of money and Aquilini wanting the playoff revenue vs shedding salary leading to immediate savings.

 

[David71]

New ownership is needed with this franchise. Aquaman is killing this team with his “no rebuild, must get playoff money” stance

 

[David71]

The Aquilinis can raise ticket prices all they want, but it also means that the Canucks will most likely be playing in front of a half-empty building next season.

Pick your poison. he doesnt want or care about the cup being in vancouver. wants to be a mediocre team for the next 10-15 years. hughes will leave. rebuilt again. fans wont even come anymore. recession hitting hard across canada. U.S and canada having trade wars amongst themselves. just hurts the business and economy even more than ever.

 

[F A N]

Pick your poison. he doesnt want or care about the cup being in vancouver. wants to be a mediocre team for the next 10-15 years.

This is just silly. Some owners really don't care aside from the bottom line but what makes you think Aquilini doesn't care about winning the Cup here in Vancouver? You don't have to like him and you can think that he has intervened and forced his GMs to make moves that have made the team worse in the long run, but c'mmon you seriously don't think he cares? But I don't know the guy. I just think he does want to own a team that does win the Cup and before the Sandman. Lots of bragging rights.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

This is just silly. Some owners really don't care aside from the bottom line but what makes you think Aquilini doesn't care about winning the Cup here in Vancouver? You don't have to like him and you can think that he has intervened and forced his GMs to make moves that have made the team worse in the long run, but c'mmon you seriously don't think he cares? But I don't know the guy. I just think he does want to own a team that does win the Cup and before the Sandman. Lots of bragging rights.

Well he is unwilling to do what it has taken for every cup winning team since the salary cap was implemented.

Let me guess. I now should post 1500 posts explaining to you what each of those letters I just posted mean.

 

[theguardianII]

Seems this might be a really big end of season.
Loads of cap space
Trades, maybe one big one this year.
Maybe a coaching change.
FAs walking

Still have some draft capital.
Some of the bottom six depth is coming around
A couple of bottom, 5/6 dmen prospects playing.

For next year the defence looks to be not bad and the bottom 7/8 forwards.
Goaltending seems to be not bad.

But with the huge cap increase the Canucks might not be in the running for long term FAs.
Not a rebuild but a power retooling to get some more "Hughes, Pettersson, Boeser, Demko" types through the draft.
It might be a real exciting draft day or maybe even before this year.