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I’m guessing that RT is letting his core players be all that they can be..They want the ice time and he’s giving it to them.
I don't disagree.

I just don't think that it's a long-term winning approach.

The team needs way more depth if they want to compete. Their current cap situation doesn't help matters.
 
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I feel like Tocchet is trying hard to let Petey and Hughes rack up the points for personal glory. Petey going hard for 40/100 and Hughes going for PPG and extend his record-setting point totals as a Canucks D.

Their current ice time doesn't seem like a good long term strategy, but for a month or so, I guess why not? Of course the players want to play as much as possible, it's the coach's job to allocate ice time optimally to achieve long term success. We'll see how it goes next season.
If they continue with a similar strategy of "playing your top guys like crazy", it's going to get ugly by the midway point. And that's if they aren't already injured and worn down.

Demko shouldn't play more than 60 games if they want him to have any sort of playoff longevity.

That means minimum 22 games for a backup. Delia isn't likely the guy to rely on for those games.
 
If they continue with a similar strategy of "playing your top guys like crazy", it's going to get ugly by the midway point. And that's if they aren't already injured and worn down.

Demko shouldn't play more than 60 games if they want him to have any sort of playoff longevity.

That means minimum 22 games for a backup. Delia isn't likely the guy to rely on for those games.
Even if they aren't broken down from all the ice time (assuming they run the core players like crazy next season, as they have done the last month), would they have anything left for the playoff, even if they make it? I understand that neither EP or Hughes play an overly physical game so they shouldn't have too much wear and tear, but with so much 5 on 5 ice time and PK duties, it isn't like they are only playing easy minutes.

I guess they can always skip some practices?
 
Even if they aren't broken down from all the ice time (assuming they run the core players like crazy next season, as they have done the last month), would they have anything left for the playoff, even if they make it? I understand that neither EP or Hughes play an overly physical game so they shouldn't have too much wear and tear, but with so much 5 on 5 ice time and PK duties, it isn't like they are only playing easy minutes.

I guess they can always skip some practices?
Yeah...its not a winning recipe in today's NHL. They need to aquire a massive amount of depth in one off-season if they want to compete in the playoffs.

Good luck to them.
 
If they continue with a similar strategy of "playing your top guys like crazy", it's going to get ugly by the midway point. And that's if they aren't already injured and worn down.

Demko shouldn't play more than 60 games if they want him to have any sort of playoff longevity.

That means minimum 22 games for a backup. Delia isn't likely the guy to rely on for those games.
I would say 60 is too much in todays NHL if you intend to actually do something in the playoffs.

You need your goalie depth to run 3 deep.

50-55 from your starter.
Rest from your 2nd (and 3rd string guy when injuries happen.)
 
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I would say 60 is too much in todays NHL if you intend to actually do something in the playoffs.

You need your goalie depth to run 3 deep.

50-55 from your starter.
Rest from your 2nd (and 3rd string guy when injuries happen.)
Yeah, that's why I said 22 games minimum for the backup. Whoever that ends up being.
 
I find myself feeling cautiously optimistic with the length our team is going to obtain more young players from sources outside of the draft.

Most of them probably won't be much more than solid AHL players, which will make the farm team stronger, and maybe solidify the foundation of our prospect development system that's been questionable for a number of years.
 
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My god it's 2023 and people are still using this lame stereotype.


I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that I think Hirose is the 2nd best LD on the team right now.

This team sucks. They need to focus on adding good players, regardless of size.

And c'mon. We just saw the Avs win the Cup with their 3 most-used defensemen averaging 6' or less. Size is not the issue with the blueline. It's talent.
Toews is 6’1” 200 lbs
 
A veritable giant. I stand corrected. Completely flip my hypothesis. Only a blueline of giants can win. Lmao.

We also all know everyone's "listed" height is inflated anyway.
You aren't finding 6 quinn hughes, more likely guys like Stecher who weren't skilled enough to entirely make up for their lack of size.

All things being about equal you take the bigger guy.

That said the Canucks problem is entirely skill. I'd take a couple Stechers on the blueline if they were at least cheap.
 
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You aren't finding 6 quinn hughes, more likely guys like Stecher who weren't skilled enough to entirely make up for their lack of size.

All things being about equal you take the bigger guy.

That said the Canucks problem is entirely skill. I'd take a couple Stechers on the blueline if they were at least cheap.
Things are not equal. As I've said many times, the Canucks problem is that they are simply not good. It's not a lack of size.
 
You aren't finding 6 quinn hughes, more likely guys like Stecher who weren't skilled enough to entirely make up for their lack of size.

All things being about equal you take the bigger guy.

That said the Canucks problem is entirely skill. I'd take a couple Stechers on the blueline if they were at least cheap.

Liked Stecher didn't understand moving on. He was cheap and reliable. And even though he doesn't have a lot of size he's tenacious and wins a lot of small battles.
Not surprised at all he's still an NHL regular.
 
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Rick Tocchet is a mediocre coach. Initially thought the lineup decisions were being made to plan for next year but his line deployment and absurd ice time totals for Hughes and Pettersson (along with Demko) make me think he's just an idiot.
 
Rick Tocchet is a mediocre coach. Initially thought the lineup decisions were being made to plan for next year but his line deployment and absurd ice time totals for Hughes and Pettersson (along with Demko) make me think he's just an idiot.
I think the first part is right, but I also think it's pretty obvious what he is doing with his deployments. He wants to make himself look good.
 
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Liked Stecher didn't understand moving on. He was cheap and reliable. And even though he doesn't have a lot of size he's tenacious and wins a lot of small battles.
Not surprised at all he's still an NHL regular.
Both Stecher and Hutton were not cheap here thanks to Benning. Thres a reason no other team in the league has come close to paying them what Benning was. Stecher was easy to cheer for though
 
Both Stecher and Hutton were not cheap here thanks to Benning. Thres a reason no other team in the league has come close to paying them what Benning was. Stecher was easy to cheer for though

They both in a way remind me of Bear. Great at the right place, and above replacement level. I would call them all number 5's. Bottom pairing guys that can play top four minutes for a while, but not who you should be paying a lot of money for.
 
They both in a way remind me of Bear. Great at the right place, and above replacement level. I would call them all number 5's. Bottom pairing guys that can play top four minutes for a while, but not who you should be paying a lot of money for.

Yeah, I’d classify all 3 as good #5s who have the ability to get by in the top 4 when injuries hit.

And yeah, these are the level of roster spots you squeeze the hell out of in contract negotiations.
 
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I have sort of held the presumption that we are likely to make the playoffs next year.

That didn't survive contact with any sort of analysis.

Yes we should improve just by buying out OEL and replacing him with anyone really, and having Demko for 50-60 starts. But that is not what the game is. We need to push out one of the teams in the playoffs this year.

Out of the 4 teams in our own Division I don't see us supplanting any of the 4 who made it Vegas, Edmonton, Seattle or LA and I think we should expect the Flames to bounce back. They had the worst luck this year (their OT record is ridicilious) and still almost made it in, WITH some of their players openly (verbally) fighting their coach.

We wont push out Colorado or Dallas.

So that leaves us the remaining wildcard spot.

Minnesota, Nashville, St Louis and Winnipeg will be our competition most likely for that spot.

I honestly would not give us 50/50 odds to make it over one of those 4 teams.



What a wild time to follow this team...
 
I have sort of held the presumption that we are likely to make the playoffs next year.

That didn't survive contact with any sort of analysis.

Yes we should improve just by buying out OEL and replacing him with anyone really, and having Demko for 50-60 starts. But that is not what the game is. We need to push out one of the teams in the playoffs this year.

Out of the 4 teams in our own Division I don't see us supplanting any of the 4 who made it Vegas, Edmonton, Seattle or LA and I think we should expect the Flames to bounce back. They had the worst luck this year (their OT record is ridicilious) and still almost made it in, WITH some of their players openly (verbally) fighting their coach.

We wont push out Colorado or Dallas.

So that leaves us the remaining wildcard spot.

Minnesota, Nashville, St Louis and Winnipeg will be our competition most likely for that spot.

I honestly would not give us 50/50 odds to make it over one of those 4 teams.



What a wild time to follow this team...
Seattle probably not as good next year. They have a pretty good run of luck, their goaltending still sucks, their defense isn’t great and they like to turn into a dumpster fire in their own end all the time.

Flames might be headed down, might bounce.

Demko back is a huge bounce. Defense should be better next year.

No guarantees but they are a bubble team.
 
Seattle probably not as good next year. They have a pretty good run of luck, their goaltending still sucks, their defense isn’t great and they like to turn into a dumpster fire in their own end all the time.

Flames might be headed down, might bounce.

Demko back is a huge bounce. Defense should be better next year.

No guarantees but they are a bubble team.

they're adding wright and have 20 mil in cap space. the only player they're losing is soucy and there's a decent chance he returns
 
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If I'm being honest with myself, Gavrikov is wishful thinking. He's the best defenceman and probably the best player on the market, he'll probably get 6.5 or a little more somewhere.
 
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