Management Thread | 5th Youngest Team in the League Edition

[credulous]

You can make posts comparing Hronek to Myers while claiming you have seen him play 40 times.

for someone who rails against holding onto post history you got some weird hangups guy

why is it so unbelievable i saw a lot of hronek play? my partner did her residency at dmc and we lived just off woodward literally three blocks from little ceasar's for two years and then in the 4th in ann arbor just down from st thomas. check out jolly pumpkin if you're ever near cass. skip founders; it's overrated

anyways, you're the worst low content poster here. all you do is tell people their takes are bad and remind us you used to play. i've never seen you form a cogent thought or make a reasoned argument. your posts read like you're trying to impress someone

make an argument and we can debate. until then stop talking about how bad the discourse has become

[pretend i inserted that "we're all trying to find the guy who did this" meme in this post]

 

[Intangibos]

Nobody here has anything to do with what happens in the franchise, let’s get serious.

The fanbase most certainly has something to do with what happens in the franchise. The supportive attitude towards Benning from the majority of the fanbase rooted in its bizarre disdain towards Gillis most certainly had an impact in extending Benning's disastrous reign.

I was not implying that an individual poster on this board is directly impacting the Canucks.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Well yeah, the issue a lot of people have is that the posters that were wrong about the vast majority of Benning's massive mistakes still want to present themselves as the smartest people on the board. And then get mad when most other posters aren't buying it.

Maybe they are even smarter than reality? Reality is dumb anyways it certainly is of all the shit in the past 20 years that has happened, the oddest hill to die on. Gillis had his faults but he still helped the team to the Finals. So like whatever. I wouldn’t care, but some actually just went the other way with Benning because ??? Why? He did some good between 2017-18 but besides that describing a garbage fire would make what he did blush. Before that it was unmitigated disaster and after that, probably worse. If you wanna die on the Benning hill, go ahead. But do it in the corner huffing glue silently please. Don’t rewrite history because you tripled down on such a poor take.

 

[Diogenes92]

“You guys are all too negative and complain about everything!”

Have I been living in an alternate reality than some of you? The Canucks have been dog shit for the last 9 years, because of management and ownership.

Apparently new management doing the exact same thing as previous management buys the franchise 5 years of respite.

 

[Coffee]

How is a team with Pettersson and Hughes the biggest joke in the league ?

Ridiculous

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

for someone who rails against holding onto post history you got some weird hangups guy

why is it so unbelievable i saw a lot of hronek play? my partner did her residency at dmc and we lived just off woodward literally three blocks from little ceasar's for two years and then in the 4th in ann arbor just down from st thomas. check out jolly pumpkin if you're ever near cass. skip founders; it's overrated

anyways, you're the worst low content poster here. all you do is tell people their takes are bad and remind us you used to play. i've never seen you form a cogent thought or make a reasoned argument. your posts read like you're trying to impress someone

make an argument and we can debate. until then stop talking about how bad the discourse has become

[pretend i inserted that "we're all trying to find the guy who did this" meme in this post]

To be clear, I'm not doubting your assertion that you lived there and saw him play, I'm saying it's an incredibly poor comparison that doesn't even make superficial sense. That's my opinion. Your opinion is, or was, that Hronek is pretty much another Myers. Time will show who is right.

Your 'low content poster' thing here is interesting since you fairly recently made a comparison to 'all the teams that are tanking like we can't' in a post that was like 3 lines.

I then went to the trouble to look extensively at each team individually and pointed out reasons that I didn't think they were apt examples. I can link the post again if you like. It was several paragraphs.

It may have frustrated you that I didn't agree with you, but you can't really call it 'low content' in good conscience, can you?

The fanbase most certainly has something to do with what happens in the franchise. The supportive attitude towards Benning from the majority of the fanbase rooted in its bizarre disdain towards Gillis most certainly had an impact in extending Benning's disastrous reign.

I was not implying that an individual poster on this board is directly impacting the Canucks.

Wait, what?

The vast majority of the fan base has always thought more highly of Gillis than Benning. And regardless, FA is completely out of touch with the fans so it really doesn't pan water to say that the fan base being 'so supportive' of Benning is what kept him here.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

The fanbase most certainly has something to do with what happens in the franchise. The supportive attitude towards Benning from the majority of the fanbase rooted in its bizarre disdain towards Gillis most certainly had an impact in extending Benning's disastrous reign.

I was not implying that an individual poster on this board is directly impacting the Canucks.

BS. There was no overwhelming support for Benning, and especially not enough to influence Aqua. People went to games, as they always will. Many of those people are casual fans and just like hockey.

Nobody was actively supporting him, except maybe here on message boards which literally doesn't matter in any way shape or form. Stop trying to pass the blame onto people here, the owner does what he does.

Now maybe the fans chanting fire gillis influenced things but I doubt it. It was Gillis wanting to rebuild that got him fired, I feel like that is well established.

 

[Bleach Clean]

It's not constant negativity. It's negativity where it's warranted. When good moves are made (yes, even during the Benning regime), I say that I think they are good. There's just been too few occasions where this is true.

You don't have to care about my opinion obviously. But no one on this board thinks you're credible and it's why you catch so much flak. Because even now you refuse to admit you were wrong, and are still trying to defend yourself by saying Benning's career "ended up" a disaster. No. It didn't just randomly end up that way. It was a foregone conclusion any rational observer saw coming, yet you continually refuse to recognize.

Being positive means more than being accurate, it seems. And even when proven accurate, still too negative...

 

[credulous]

Your 'low content poster' thing here is interesting since you fairly recently made a comparison to 'all the teams that are tanking like we can't' in a post that was like 3 lines.

I then went to the trouble to look extensively at each team individually and pointed out reasons that I didn't think they were apt examples. I can link the post again if you like. It was several paragraphs.

i just looked up the post and you just posted a bunch of rambling thoughts on teams that i name checked as teams that were willing to prioritize draft position over any kind of meaningful games in march bullshit. i didn't respond because you didn't address my argument at all (that the 'video games' portrayal of teams intentionally "tanking" was ridiculous hyperbole)

i never said you don't write a lot. i said you don't say a lot

and again, for someone who was whining like five minutes ago about getting bullied by the search function you sure seem to love it

 

[Hit the post]

How is a team with Pettersson and Hughes the biggest joke in the league ?

Ridiculous

Wasting two elite players in their prime with piles of shit like OEL, Myers, The Freaking Poolman, and Ferland who checks to see who's at the front door when his landline phone rings. And have them coached by two minor leaguers like Desjardins & Green.

 

[mossey3535]

f*** tone, I had to live through 8 seasons of this incompetent shit and watch Benning slowly destroy the team I cheer for.

Getting Tofffoli = good. Letting Toffoli walk = bad. He couldn't even get out of his own way and let his few good moves come to fruition. That was his entire tenure and I am being extremely charitable by using that example.

 

[valkynax]

How is a team with Pettersson and Hughes the biggest joke in the league ?

Ridiculous

Because our previous manager was a fat pathetic dumb f*** who makes other GM's not named Chiarelli or Milbury look like Albert Einstein in comparison.

Because with Pete and Hughes this team still can't even claw out a participation trophy.

Because we have a new manager who's basically real life Skeletor and a president whose demeanor resembles Hans Moleman.

And because we got Fredo as owner.

EDIT: so basically, the team is...

owned by THIS guy:

ran by THIS guy:

and overwatched by THIS guy:

I mean...honestly I'm really not sure what else needs to be said.

 

[credulous]

i decided to bully some more:

I watch and have played a helllllll of a lot of hockey over the last 28 years.
I have watched the Wings and noticed Hronek a fair few times.

I still don't feel qualified yet to have a strong opinion on Hronek because I have never really honed in on him specifically.

For those who are freaking out, ask yourself, have you watched much of Hronek or are you looking at JFresh charts (which hilariously I believe are favorable anyway)?

And people who haven't extensively watched Hronek, don't really know what we just traded for (I haven't watched him enough to speak strongly).

You comparing him to Myers shows to me that you probably barely (if at all) follow the league outside of the Canucks, which is fine. But then maybe you should wait before castigating the trade for a player you clearly have no idea about. Watch any 3 minute high light video of Hronek, it doesn't make for good scouting, but it makes it clear that's not even close to Myers. My word.

so you haven't really watched him but you're confident your take is better than mine because uhh reasons?

i dunno how you can go from 'yeah you have watched him a ton and think he's bad but i saw a three minute highlight video and your take is bad'

here's my comparison's to myers, for reference:

Confirmed with Link: - [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

How does a team 5th from the bottom trade a 1st and 2nd pick away? Lol. That’s actually f***ing insane.

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Let's see in a couple years if JTM was the right decision. Why wait? The new managers have already acknowledged it was a bad signing; or they would not be trying to trade him.

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[Hit the post]

i decided to bully some more:

Me too! In honor of "We choked" :

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

i decided to bully some more:







so you haven't really watched him but you're confident your take is better than mine because uhh reasons?

i dunno how you can go from 'yeah you have watched him a ton and think he's bad but i saw a three minute highlight video and your take is bad'

here's my comparison's to myers, for reference:

Confirmed with Link: - [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd

How does a team 5th from the bottom trade a 1st and 2nd pick away? Lol. That’s actually f***ing insane.

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Let's see in a couple years if JTM was the right decision. Why wait? The new managers have already acknowledged it was a bad signing; or they would not be trying to trade him.

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This isn't the gotcha that you think it is.

I literally watched some highlights and then a couple of games and could already tell it was a terrible comparison. I was saying I held my overall opinion somewhat lightly because more exposure was needed to draw a more granular conclusion. But you could wake me from a drunken stupor and show me one minute of Myers and Hronek playing and I could already have told you it was a comparison with zero merit.

Stylistically, hockey sense wise, quality wise, the way they move, the reads they make, etc. Have literally nothing in common.

Also, I wasn't going through your history, I was going through my own and saw that it was you I was quoting so...

Reading some of my old posts I see that I have been quite dismissive and condescending to some of your takes so I'm going to chalk up your vibe here to that and not further engage with that tone.

I feel bad and want to be better.

But I also fundamentally disagree with you on many many things and you seem to have some blind spots that you dismiss quite ignorantly.

Like saying I rambled about some teams...just because you don't know enough about the rest of the league to have an informed enough opinion for a rebuttal doesn't mean I was "rambling". I follow the whole league and have for many years so if you want to use the rest if the league as a comparison that's fine, but know that there are folks who can fact check.

If you knew enough about each team to respond im confident you would have.

 

[credulous]

Reading some of my old posts I see that I have been quite dismissive and condescending to some of your takes so I'm going to chalk up your vibe here to that and not further engage with that tone.

I feel bad and want to be better.

But I also fundamentally disagree with you on many many things and you seem to have some blind spots that you dismiss quite ignorantly.

Like saying I rambled about some teams...just because you don't know enough about the rest of the league to have an informed enough opinion for a rebuttal doesn't mean I was "rambling". I follow the whole league and have for many years so if you want to use the rest if the league as a comparison that's fine, but know that there are folks who can fact check.

If you knew enough about each team to respond im confident you would have.

is this satire?

 

[bossram]

Being positive means more than being accurate, it seems. And even when proven accurate, still too negative...

That’s the hilarious part. Being right about things is apparently “negative”.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

That’s the hilarious part. Being right about things is apparently “negative”.

It’s what stupid people rely on when they can’t counter an argument with facts, logic, or reasoning. Basically a shitty way of addressing an opposing opinion that they don’t like but can’t articulate why. Kind of chimpanzee level discourse.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

is this satire?

I can see where you would think that.

I was referring to saying things like rhetorically asking if you were A.I. created to divert from interesting conversation and stuff. That's snide and out of line. And I apologize for it.

But you saying my takes on other teams not being directly comparable to our situation which I went to some effort to delineate, is rambling without being able to offer any insight or counter examples...I dont know what else to call that but ignorance.

But that's just my opinion.

Either way, we are not going to reach a consensus. Let's leave this here and try to be better to each other the next time we interact.

 

[credulous]

I can see where you would think that.

I was referring to saying things like rhetorically asking if you were A.I. created to divert from interesting conversation and stuff. That's snide and out of line. And I apologize for it.

But you saying my takes on other teams not being directly comparable to our situation which I went to some effort to delineate, is rambling without being able to offer any insight or counter examples...I dont know what else to call that but ignorance.

But that's just my opinion.

Either way, we are not going to reach a consensus. Let's leave this here and try to be better to each other the next time we interact.

dude you were like sorry i was condescending and then told me i don't know enough about the league to have an opinion. and now you're calling me ignorant. get bent, alright?

you can't hang around complaining about people "lowering the discourse" or whatever and then make a bunch of posts about how everyone is too stupid to appreciate your brilliance

as for your disappointment i didn't take up your challenge or whatever to give counterpoints to your bad post: the discussion was about whether it was realistic for an nhl team to intentionally tank. i listed some teams that did it and then you went and compared them to the canucks situation. the debate had nothing to do whether vancouver should tank it was about whether it was only conceivable in video games for a generic nhl team to tank. i didn't respond to you because you weren't participating. you were off doing something else. have a great life. enjoy hronek

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

dude you were like sorry i was condescending and then told me i don't know enough about the league to have an opinion. and now you're calling me ignorant. get bent, alright?

you can't hang around complaining about people "lowering the discourse" or whatever and then make a bunch of posts about how everyone is too stupid to appreciate your brilliance

as for your disappointment i didn't take up your challenge or whatever to give counterpoints to your bad post: the discussion was about whether it was realistic for an nhl team to intentionally tank. i listed some teams that did it and then you went and compared them to the canucks situation. the debate had nothing to do whether vancouver should tank it was about whether it was only conceivable in video games for a generic nhl team to tank. i didn't respond to you because you weren't participating. you were off doing something else. have a great life. enjoy hronek

Thanks, dude. You too.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Apparently new management doing the exact same thing as previous management buys the franchise 5 years of respite.

I liken it from going to a flaming turd to a more polished one.

 

[RandV]

BS. There was no overwhelming support for Benning, and especially not enough to influence Aqua. People went to games, as they always will. Many of those people are casual fans and just like hockey.

Nobody was actively supporting him, except maybe here on message boards which literally doesn't matter in any way shape or form. Stop trying to pass the blame onto people here, the owner does what he does.

Now maybe the fans chanting fire gillis influenced things but I doubt it. It was Gillis wanting to rebuild that got him fired, I feel like that is well established.

To be more specific I'd say this was more rooted in the polar opposite media treatment of these two GM's. Just something as simple as hockey night in Canada talking about the villainous Mike Gillis Canucks vs the good boy Jim Benning Canucks is going to have a big trickle down effect on the casual fanbase.

I'd still say Benning's longevity came down to him being perfectly willing to have Aqulini in the room as part of the team, where as Mike Gillis and before him Dave Nonis eventually took a 'let me do my job' approach and were promptly fired.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

To be more specific I'd say this was more rooted in the polar opposite media treatment of these two GM's. Just something as simple as hockey night in Canada talking about the villainous Mike Gillis Canucks vs the good boy Jim Benning Canucks is going to have a big trickle down effect on the casual fanbase.

I'd still say Benning's longevity came down to him being perfectly willing to have Aqulini in the room as part of the team, where as Mike Gillis and before him Dave Nonis eventually took a 'let me do my job' approach and were promptly fired.

That's a much more accurate take. The fanbase was just trying to cope. Myself included. You keep thinking maybe this will work out. Because the alternative is being miserable and knowing you can't change anything. At the end of the day sports is supposed to be an escape from your reality. The obsession over Benning was much deserved as he was epically awful but I think many just wanted to enjoy hockey, not be benning bros. It really is the medias job to hold them accountable and you could definitely argue they didn't.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

That's a much more accurate take. The fanbase was just trying to cope. Myself included. You keep thinking maybe this will work out. Because the alternative is being miserable and knowing you can't change anything. At the end of the day sports is supposed to be an escape from your reality. The obsession over Benning was much deserved as he was epically awful but I think many just wanted to enjoy hockey, not be benning bros. It really is the medias job to hold them accountable and you could definitely argue they didn't.

It is hard when the Canucks have been playing the “tell me good news only” with media. But it’s gotten better. I too have taken some copium in my day. But there’s only so much you can take before you’ve seen the movie a hundred times. Outwardly I’ve been critical as any but there’s always that glimmer of hope I hold on to.

At the end of the day, we are just fans here to discuss hockey and everything that encompasses. I’ll be as critical or forgiving as I see fit and I’ll share all my opinions loudly as the Irishman I am.