Management Thread | 5th Youngest Team in the League Edition

[PuckMunchkin]

It's so interesting that all of these sort of cowardly gang up posts (often with people not even quoting whom they're talking about) are allowed on this forum, it feels like they're only protected by how ineffectual they are.

Like I...guess? You're trying to gang up and bully me or something?

It's tacky, tacky weak ass shit and I'd much rather someone speak to me directly.

I know this is in response to me criticizing the level of discourse here but let me say, most people have been chased away from the boards by how poor it's gotten and nobody who's been around for a long time thinks we're in a peak. Sometimes the truth is the truth and part of it are these sad witch hunts.

Can we talk about hockey or is it more sniping through 7 year old posts of mine, not even quoting it, just 'liking' it as a passive aggressive 'gotcha' vibe that we're continuing to seek here?

Jeesus f***in christ.....

 

[geebaan]

I’ve also made terrible calls. But I genuinely try to own up to them.

Or I could just blame others for my shitty opinion

 

[Intangibos]

It's so interesting that all of these sort of cowardly gang up posts (often with people not even quoting whom they're talking about) are allowed on this forum, it feels like they're only protected by how ineffectual they are.

Like I...guess? You're trying to gang up and bully me or something?

It's tacky, tacky weak ass shit and I'd much rather someone speak to me directly.

I know this is in response to me criticizing the level of discourse here but let me say, most people have been chased away from the boards by how poor it's gotten and nobody who's been around for a long time thinks we're in a peak. Sometimes the truth is the truth and part of it are these sad witch hunts.

Can we talk about hockey or is it more sniping through 7 year old posts of mine, not even quoting it, just 'liking' it as a passive aggressive 'gotcha' vibe that we're continuing to seek here?

I've been chased away from the boards because I can't justify the time it takes to follow this sad sack franchise that the BenningBuddies helped prop up

 

[Jyrki21]

In the end, we sucked for both seasons new management has been on board, both seasons were over by thanksgiving and were absolutely brutal to watch.

We didn't accumulate any significant assets over that time despite it being obvious two years out that this draft was incredibly deep and the perfect draft to try and stockpile for, despite the general agreement that this 2023 draft fits the core's timeline, and despite still trying to trade the main two trade chips we had right from the start (Horvat/Miller) albeit way too late.

And despite the general love for this incredibly poopy argument, no one could possibly convince me that being 11th and 15th these last two years is in any significant way superior for keeping Pettersson than finishing 6-9th (at worst) and having sold anything with value in mgmt's first couple months here.

So here we are heading into the 2023-2024 season missing half our picks in the first two rounds over the next two years, still talking about trading more picks for shortcuts and wondering how we'll dump cap over the summer.

The same conversation it's been every summer for the last 7 years except for the first time, there isn't a viable alternative strategy, and thanks to being incredibly shortsighted and lacking in strategic thinking, there's still less assets available to use than there are bad contracts to move.

I guess the best thing I can say about any of this is that the teams absolute insistence on living day by day, having no foresight whatsoever, and having absolutely zero patience the second they get their hands on any cap space or draft capital is finally in alignment with the only strategic direction available to the team for the next 2-4 years.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

It's so interesting that all of these sort of cowardly gang up posts (often with people not even quoting whom they're talking about) are allowed on this forum, it feels like they're only protected by how ineffectual they are.

Like I...guess? You're trying to gang up and bully me or something?

It's tacky, tacky weak ass shit and I'd much rather someone speak to me directly.

I know this is in response to me criticizing the level of discourse here but let me say, most people have been chased away from the boards by how poor it's gotten and nobody who's been around for a long time thinks we're in a peak. Sometimes the truth is the truth and part of it are these sad witch hunts.

Can we talk about hockey or is it more sniping through 7 year old posts of mine, not even quoting it, just 'liking' it as a passive aggressive 'gotcha' vibe that we're continuing to seek here?

Hey man, I would have no issue with you or your opinions if you either had:

1) Not held such a condescending, arrogant attitude towards those you disagreed with (there’s nothing wrong with holding a contrarian opinion on previous management, it’s how you presented it); and/or

2) realized said opinion may have been off base and you misjudged the situation.

But I did not have playing the victim card and gaslighting after being a dick for so many years pushing a bad narrative on my bingo card.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

It's so interesting that all of these sort of cowardly gang up posts (often with people not even quoting whom they're talking about) are allowed on this forum, it feels like they're only protected by how ineffectual they are.

My brother in Christ, I straight up responded to a post of yours (that you flat up ignored.) I'm not going to bother continuing to tilt at windmills. I already have one. I call it Pastor.

Like I...guess? You're trying to gang up and bully me or something?

What was it I said in my prior post?

Ah, yes.

"Complain when people bring up prior posts they had made and say they are being 'bullied' or 'harassed' when it's 100% germane to the current discussion."

Thanks for sticking to the script!

It's tacky, tacky weak ass shit and I'd much rather someone speak to me directly.

Again, was tried, was ignored. Folks need to stop kowtowing to whiners like you. I'm not going to get on hands and knees and beg for you to grace me with acknowledgment from you. Either walk the walk or kick rocks.

I know this is in response to me criticizing the level of discourse here but let me say, most people have been chased away from the boards by how poor it's gotten and nobody who's been around for a long time thinks we're in a peak. Sometimes the truth is the truth and part of it are these sad witch hunts.

It has nothing to do with:

- Message boards becoming an increasing relic of web 1.0 days
- HF Boards owners being dipshites in how they manage ad delivery, board restructuring, etc. This site used to be a really good resource with a lot of history, but they give no f***s about that and just want to serve garbage/annoying ads because there's a built-in userbase to serve ads to.
- Persistent trolls who re-reg again and again to fan the flames.

It's just the Anti-Benning Brigade driving everyone away.

EDIT: Also, it's wild you're complaining about the drift of 'hockey discourse' and a basic delve has you complaining frequently about:

- memes
- excess negativity
- 90% of HF Canucks

For what it's worth, I agree that some of the hyperbole is a bit ridiculous and does cheapen the discussion. But harsh criticism of one of the worst GMs in NHL history (I still hold that Milbury holds that title for modern NHL--just the sheer amount of assets that he more or less threw away multiplied by the insane contract/personnel decisions is staggering) and certainly the worst GM in Canucks history is very much well deserved.

Unlike, say, Nonis, where folks just made a bunch of really stupid comments about his weight, the 'Dim Jim' moniker was earned.

Can we talk about hockey or is it more sniping through 7 year old posts of mine, not even quoting it, just 'liking' it as a passive aggressive 'gotcha' vibe that we're continuing to seek here?

Or you can just say that you had initially liked the Juolevi pick because "reasons" (<--- this is where a discussion would happen), but you were wrong and move on.

Which is what other posters who have that stuff served to them do, usually over far more tepid takes that are taken out of context. (Again, see my comment about people actually trying to gotcha people over Z-tier level prospects.)

Again, thanks for sticking to the script. You're proving the point.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I’ve also made terrible calls. But I genuinely try to own up to them.

Or I could just blame others for my shitty opinion

This is so important to be able to do if your goal is to seek the truth.

 

[MarkMM]

It's so interesting that all of these sort of cowardly gang up posts (often with people not even quoting whom they're talking about) are allowed on this forum, it feels like they're only protected by how ineffectual they are.

Like I...guess? You're trying to gang up and bully me or something?

It's tacky, tacky weak ass shit and I'd much rather someone speak to me directly.

I know this is in response to me criticizing the level of discourse here but let me say, most people have been chased away from the boards by how poor it's gotten and nobody who's been around for a long time thinks we're in a peak. Sometimes the truth is the truth and part of it are these sad witch hunts.

Can we talk about hockey or is it more sniping through 7 year old posts of mine, not even quoting it, just 'liking' it as a passive aggressive 'gotcha' vibe that we're continuing to seek here?

You can be upset about people bringing up posts from seven years ago but the fact is you and other Benning defenders have been so conclusively wrong for seven years straight but never seemed to own up to it, and it is entirely relevant because the very things you guys got wrong is what is still plaguing this team and will plague this team for a decade to come...exactly as Benning critics predicted which Benning defenders so staunchly denied.

So it is entirely fair to look at Benning defenders' track records of judgement and bring that up as a factor in judging judgement and honesty. It'll stop being fair game to be brought up around the time that Benning's damage stops eating away at this team, which most generously you'd be looking at the end of OEL's contract (longer if he gets bought out), though could be even worse if it means that we've squandered our best chance at the cup by wasting away the prime years of Petersson, Hughes and Demko.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

On the other hand he has played organized hockey of some sort.

Would that make you reconsider?

The jump from Jr. B to what we discuss makes the entire argument irrelevant.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Jeesus f***in christ.....

Dude, like half the board literally thinks you're a troll account so I'm not sure how seriously I'm supposed to take your posts.

I’ve also made terrible calls. But I genuinely try to own up to them.

Or I could just blame others for my shitty opinion

What even is this?

Let's talk about individual takes and I'll share the ones I got wrong but at least they come from actual hockey knowledge and are focused on the sport itself instead of this bizarre dichotomous 'us or them' 'bannign bros' nonsense.

I was totally wrong about the Gudbranson acquisition because I thought he looked good in Florida (I will say I was slightly vindicated that he did well in Calgary showing that he was partly poor because of the circumstances here, but I will wear that L).

I was wrong about Loui Eriksson, I thought he would fit in well with the Sedins because I had watched him a lot in Dallas and a bit in Boston and really liked him as we a player. I was excited when he wanted to come here but his time was an abject failure.

My initial private response to the OEL signing was disappointment, but I talked myself into that one and defended it because I have always liked him as a player.
To be honest, I was lower on Garland than most and I think that has played out as he isn't really a fit here.

I also think that OEL will be considerably closer to year one than last year's edition in the upcoming season, but in no world will he be worth 7.14 million. I'll eat that one too.

But so much of what I have taken umbrage with is the seething rage posts that aren't even based on reality but instead hearsay and fantasy.

"Heheh knowing Bannign he would just...'

Or things like, 'according to one blog we could have had Timo Meier for Ryan Miller so let's add that to our head canon'.

Or "Judd Bracket had to fist fight Bannign to take Petey instead of his nephew who doesn't even play hockey'.

Or times that I tried to suggest that Benning was a symptom of the problem rather than the whole problem.

But all of that was discarded with 'bannign bro' which is reductive and stupid. It's school yard nonsense.

Hey man, I would have no issue with you or your opinions if you either had:

1) Not held such a condescending, arrogant attitude towards those you disagreed with (there’s nothing wrong with holding a contrarian opinion on previous management, it’s how you presented it); and/or

2) realized said opinion may have been off base and you misjudged the situation.

But I did not have playing the victim card and gaslighting after being a dick for so many years pushing a bad narrative on my bingo card.

You I don't take seriously after you have PM'd me completely unprompted several times with varying levels of disrespect and delusion.

The most recent doozy of accusing me of being a poster on...I'm guessing CDC just shows that you're taking all of this waaaayyyyy too seriously and need to chill out and get off my nuts.

You can be upset about people bringing up posts from seven years ago but the fact is you and other Benning defenders have been so conclusively wrong for seven years straight but never seemed to own up to it, and it is entirely relevant because the very things you guys got wrong is what is still plaguing this team and will plague this team for a decade to come...exactly as Benning critics predicted which Benning defenders so staunchly denied.

So it is entirely fair to look at Benning defenders' track records of judgement and bring that up as a factor in judging judgement and honesty. It'll stop being fair game to be brought up around the time that Benning's damage stops eating away at this team, which most generously you'd be looking at the end of OEL's contract (longer if he gets bought out), though could be even worse if it means that we've squandered our best chance at the cup by wasting away the prime years of Petersson, Hughes and Demko.

I said in my post, if you want to debate an old take then that's fine.

There are posters, more than one, who will go back to a post from 2016 and just add a laughing emoji to it or something.

It speaks to an absolute tragic lack of purpose in their lives that they have the time and vitriol to want to do that, but it's also incredibly cowardly and passive-aggressive. What am I supposed to do about that? Start a new thread speaking to them directly?

You haven't done this, so I'm not holding you to account, but know that not everyone who has a problem with me shows even basic decorum.

The jump from Jr. B to what we discuss makes the entire argument irrelevant.

What level did you play?

I know people hate when I bring up the fact that I have played several decades as a reason that there might be some on-ice things that I have a deeper understanding of than someone who played floor hockey 6 times and didn't care for it, but it's insane to me that people are so insecure that they act like doing something is irrelevant to knowledge of that thing.

Like if we were talking about formula 1 racing and I said I used to race the tracks locally and was arguing with people who didn't have their Learner's license yet, you don't think my opinions might be a bit more informed than theirs?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

My brother in Christ, I straight up responded to a post of yours (that you flat up ignored.) I'm not going to bother continuing to tilt at windmills. I already have one. I call it Pastor.



What was it I said in my prior post?

Ah, yes.

"Complain when people bring up prior posts they had made and say they are being 'bullied' or 'harassed' when it's 100% germane to the current discussion."

Thanks for sticking to the script!



Again, was tried, was ignored. Folks need to stop kowtowing to whiners like you. I'm not going to get on hands and knees and beg for you to grace me with acknowledgment from you. Either walk the walk or kick rocks.



It has nothing to do with:

- Message boards becoming an increasing relic of web 1.0 days
- HF Boards owners being dipshites in how they manage ad delivery, board restructuring, etc. This site used to be a really good resource with a lot of history, but they give no f***s about that and just want to serve garbage/annoying ads because there's a built-in userbase to serve ads to.
- Persistent trolls who re-reg again and again to fan the flames.

It's just the Anti-Benning Brigade driving everyone away.

EDIT: Also, it's wild you're complaining about the drift of 'hockey discourse' and a basic delve has you complaining frequently about:

- memes
- excess negativity
- 90% of HF Canucks

For what it's worth, I agree that some of the hyperbole is a bit ridiculous and does cheapen the discussion. But harsh criticism of one of the worst GMs in NHL history (I still hold that Milbury holds that title for modern NHL--just the sheer amount of assets that he more or less threw away multiplied by the insane contract/personnel decisions is staggering) and certainly the worst GM in Canucks history is very much well deserved.

Unlike, say, Nonis, where folks just made a bunch of really stupid comments about his weight, the 'Dim Jim' moniker was earned.



Or you can just say that you had initially liked the Juolevi pick because "reasons" (<--- this is where a discussion would happen), but you were wrong and move on.

Which is what other posters who have that stuff served to them do, usually over far more tepid takes that are taken out of context. (Again, see my comment about people actually trying to gotcha people over Z-tier level prospects.)

Again, thanks for sticking to the script. You're proving the point.

You almost offer genuine conversation and then do the whole, 'thanks for sticking to the script thing' which I will graciously ignore.

I probably covered a lot of this in my response to other posters, but I never liked the Juolevi pick.

Being aware of my own limitations includes things like having an awareness that maybe I don't know everything about a prospect I saw play like twice.

So if I ever defended the Juolevi pick it was along the lines of, 'let's have patience and see how it plays out, he was chosen 5th overall by professional scouts etc'.

But I was devastated when we chose him.

I have said this multiple times, but I watched the memorial cup that year to get a look at Tkachuk and came away liking him a lot.

When we took Juolevi I was disappointed and even a little disappointed in myself because I hadn't even noticed him in any meaningful way. It made me wonder if i was missing something.

And clearly I wasn't in retrospect. So that's an odd bone to pick.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

You almost offer genuine conversation and then do the whole, 'thanks for sticking to the script thing' which I will graciously ignore.

Like I said, dude, I responded to you, sincerely, about your crap about people 'memeing' about 'ran out of time.'

And you ignored it.

If you're getting your knickers in a twist because you literally did the thing I said you were going to do like 10 posts prior, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe reflect a little on how much dismissing shit outright because of a single comment contributes to 'discourse' and whether that's something to be making a huge stink over.

Stop complaining about 'discourse' and start engaging. Seriously.

EDIT: And I should clarify, I suppose, I'm not talking about people who are bothering you in private messages or who respond with only a laughing emoji or whatever. Tune that crap out as noise and just demand that people enage....but hold up your end and do the same.

I probably covered a lot of this in my response to other posters, but I never liked the Juolevi pick.

I'm just going off of what was being discussed earlier in this thread. I don't know what you did/didn't say, but your complaints stemmed from whatever Frankie said to you.

And clearly I wasn't in retrospect. So that's an odd bone to pick.

It's not really picking a bone with you. I was only chiming in because you complained about people 'bullying' (lol, lmao, even) you by speaking about you indirectly. I assume I was included in that, because your verbiage made reference to things I had said.

But I was talking about a fair number of posters and wasn't referring to you particularly. Your comments sparked the conversation, yes, but I wasn't 'calling you out' or whatever.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Anyone who literally posted “Jim Benning has done a heck of a job in recent years” during the summer of acquiring OEL and basing this on a 7 year sample size of bottom 5-10 finishes and terrible moves, yet talking shit to people who disagreed, probably isn’t in the best position to take some strange petty moral high ground. The rest is just white noise, I don’t care what other things they were wrong about in an appeal to appear humble.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Like I said, dude, I responded to you, sincerely, about your crap about people 'memeing' about 'ran out of time.'

And you ignored it.

If you're getting your knickers in a twist because you literally did the thing I said you were going to do like 10 posts prior, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe reflect a little on how much dismissing shit outright because of a single comment contributes to 'discourse' and whether that's something to be making a huge stink over.

Stop complaining about 'discourse' and start engaging. Seriously.

EDIT: And I should clarify, I suppose, I'm not talking about people who are bothering you in private messages or who respond with only a laughing emoji or whatever. Tune that crap out as noise and just demand that people enage....but hold up your end and do the same.



I'm just going off of what was being discussed earlier in this thread. I don't know what you did/didn't say, but your complaints stemmed from whatever Frankie said to you.


It's not really picking a bone with you. I was only chiming in because you complained about people 'bullying' (lol, lmao, even) you by speaking about you indirectly. I assume I was included in that, because your verbiage made reference to things I had said.

But I was talking about a fair number of posters and wasn't referring to you particularly. Your comments sparked the conversation, yes, but I wasn't 'calling you out' or whatever.

Here's where we get to subjectivity versus...well not so much objectivity, but the subjective experience of others.

So while you feel a bit persecuted or attacked that I said people were attempting to bully with the 7 year old snipe 'likes' or the indirect circle jerks of hate that never actually quote me directly, for me it's the amalgamation of several people doing this quite frequently. So it wasn't directed at you specifically, but more as a response to my recent collective experience of being on these boards.

I submit exhibit A:

Anyone who literally posted “Jim Benning has done a heck of a job in recent years” during the summer of acquiring OEL and basing this on a 7 year sample size of bottom 5-10 finishes and terrible moves, yet talking shit to people who disagreed, probably isn’t in the best position to take some strange petty moral high ground. The rest is just white noise, I don’t care what other things they were wrong about in an appeal to appear humble.

Frankie Blueberries, please do me, your mom, and your siblings a favor and Go. Out. Side. It's a gorgeous day.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Here's where we get to subjectivity versus...well not so much objectivity, but the subjective experience of others.

So while you feel a bit persecuted or attacked that I said people were attempting to bully with the 7 year old snipe 'likes' or the indirect circle jerks of hate that never actually quote me directly, for me it's the amalgamation of several people doing this quite frequently. So it wasn't directed at you specifically, but more as a response to my recent collective experience of being on these boards.

I submit exhibit A:


Frankie Blueberries, please do me, your mom, and your siblings a favor and Go. Out. Side. It's a gorgeous day.

I see that Exhibit A is just another example of you continuing to be condescending and avoid any accountability for your posts. It’s okay to be wrong, just don’t be such a jerk about it. You zigged when you should have zagged.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I see that Exhibit A is just another example of you continuing to be condescending and avoid any accountability for your posts. It’s okay to be wrong, just don’t be such a jerk about it. You zigged when you should have zagged.

It's just good to see that your quote/reply button does indeed actually work. I was worried for you for a bit there, buddy.

 

[EdJovanovski]

SURREY YOTES

 

[Hit the post]

I see that Exhibit A is just another example of you continuing to be condescending and avoid any accountability for your posts. It’s okay to be wrong, just don’t be such a jerk about it. You zigged when you should have zagged.

I have no idea who you are responding to as I must have them on my ignore list for some reason .

Jim Benning should've won the Nobel Prize if not for politics.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

What level did you play?

I know people hate when I bring up the fact that I have played several decades as a reason that there might be some on-ice things that I have a deeper understanding of than someone who played floor hockey 6 times and didn't care for it, but it's insane to me that people are so insecure that they act like doing something is irrelevant to knowledge of that thing.

What does that even matter!? Benning played in the NHL and had a pretty successful career to boot, doesn't mean he is any good at making hockey decisions at a managerial level. It's actually worse that somebody with so much experience playing high level hockey cannot recognize the decline in OEL, or that Eriksson was propped up by his linemates and PP usage, or that trading picks for prime/past-prime players while your team is at the bottom of the league is a bad idea, etc.

This whole idea that "I played competitive hockey so you should just listen to me" is so without merit. But the worse part is being condescending to others for years, then play the victim card at the end, I don't think people appreciate that.

 

[Coffee]

Our two best wingers are Kuzmenko and Mikheyev. I’d trade one of the other wingers, whoever has value for cheap depth or assets. And then find some cheap depth.

We have to get going here with these moves or else we will sink and end up having to move one of the stars.

I’m happy with the recent college signings.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

What does that even matter!? Benning played in the NHL and had a pretty successful career to boot, doesn't mean he is any good at making hockey decisions at a managerial level. It's actually worse that somebody with so much experience playing high level hockey cannot recognize the decline in OEL, or that Eriksson was propped up by his linemates and PP usage, or that trading picks for prime/past-prime players while your team is at the bottom of the league is a bad idea, etc.

This whole idea that "I played competitive hockey so you should just listen to me" is so without merit. But the worse part is being condescending to others for years, then play the victim card at the end, I don't think people appreciate that.

As we all know, the plural of anecdote is not 'data'.

Gretzky wasn't much of a coach, so let's look for the person who knows the least about hockey because correlation is causation.

And I'm not saying you should appeal to my authority and blindly trust me because I can skate. I'm just saying that it does add ~something~ to the conversation and the fact that we're literally on an NHL HOCKEY messageboard and knowing how to play hockey is being discarded as irrelevant to informing opinions is Q-anon levels of nonsense.

"Why should I listen to immunologists when uncle steve posts memes about 5g?"

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

The lack of self awareness is truly remarkable.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

As we all know, the plural of anecdote is not 'data'.

Gretzky wasn't much of a coach, so let's look for the person who knows the least about hockey because correlation is causation.

And I'm not saying you should appeal to my authority and blindly trust me because I can skate. I'm just saying that it does add ~something~ to the conversation and the fact that we're literally on an NHL HOCKEY messageboard and knowing how to play hockey is being discarded as irrelevant to informing opinions is Q-anon levels of nonsense.

"Why should I listen to immunologists when uncle steve posts memes about 5g?"

And yet, anytime somebody disagree with you or Benning, you play the "what level of hockey have you played" card.

After 7+ years of defending Benning, your "my playing experience makes me more knowledgeable than you" schtick doesn't really hold any weight anymore, don't you think? You just openly admitted that you initially like the Eriksson signing, even though most people (most doesn't play competitive hockey I'm sure) hated it right off the bat. Shouldn't that tell you that maybe high level hockey skills does not equate to high level hockey analysis?

Anyways I'll stop posting on this topic. It was never my intention to make anybody feel bullied or ganged up on, and I sincerely apologize if it came across that way. I just didn't like the way you talked down to people over the years. You being a Benning sympathizer or wrong or whatever doesn't matter at all to me.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

As we all know, the plural of anecdote is not 'data'.

Gretzky wasn't much of a coach, so let's look for the person who knows the least about hockey because correlation is causation.

And I'm not saying you should appeal to my authority and blindly trust me because I can skate. I'm just saying that it does add ~something~ to the conversation and the fact that we're literally on an NHL HOCKEY messageboard and knowing how to play hockey is being discarded as irrelevant to informing opinions is Q-anon levels of nonsense.

"Why should I listen to immunologists when uncle steve posts memes about 5g?"

How on earth, after being so wrong for so long, does it still not register with you that you are not the immunologist in this anecdote.

Playing hockey and running an organization require COMPLETELY different skill sets. COMPLETELY different skill set. There is almost no overlap. Apart from some very generic things like being driven etc.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

You can be upset about people bringing up posts from seven years ago but the fact is you and other Benning defenders have been so conclusively wrong for seven years straight but never seemed to own up to it, and it is entirely relevant because the very things you guys got wrong is what is still plaguing this team and will plague this team for a decade to come...exactly as Benning critics predicted which Benning defenders so staunchly denied.

So it is entirely fair to look at Benning defenders' track records of judgement and bring that up as a factor in judging judgement and honesty. It'll stop being fair game to be brought up around the time that Benning's damage stops eating away at this team, which most generously you'd be looking at the end of OEL's contract (longer if he gets bought out), though could be even worse if it means that we've squandered our best chance at the cup by wasting away the prime years of Petersson, Hughes and Demko.

What are you talking about..?....?..Own up to what..?..Nobody is arguing that Bennings time was up...The majority of the stuff i was arguing against was the utter hyperbole and BS that was predominate at the the time (especially in this thread)..Even you claimed that that Benning didnt make a single good trade....Unlike a lot of posters here , I leave my post history up..Most of my debates I presented with accredited sources.

I'm not anti-Benning, or anti Gillis,Nonis, Burke or anyone else.

A word to all...If anybody feels I've let this board down with my comments, or you dont like my commentary. (feel free to ignore me)....Excuse my French, but I honestly dont give a flying f*** what you think..I'm not apologizing for my opinions.

Its a hockey discussion board ..and there's going to always be opinions that dont correlate to your own.