Management Discussion | Just Have a Plan

[drax0s]

We're both out of the playoffs running AND the Bedard sweepstakes somehow.

 

[tradervik]

The fact that JR couldn't look at VAN's CapFriendly page before taking the job is evidence he's not fit to do it.

this is the most important part of their job though. if you were extraordinary at cap management and mediocre to average at every other part of the job you'd probably be a perennial playoff team

I tend to agree with both of the above although it seems more than half the teams are being managed by people who are bad at cap management and counting on future cap increases to fix their issues.

 

[theguardianII]

A plan?

Fire Boudreau right after the allstar weekend and the new guy gets 3 sub .500 teams to coach against. 3 possible or probable wins.

The management then tries to sell the team as being a winner with the new coach so they keep most of the existing core and do nothing for another year. After all the new coach will need that year for them to evaluate the team. Another year wasted!

You know that GM's find all kinds of excuses to have extended vacations and with 4 of them some must be getting free tickets to games during their now 8 month holidays.

The big reason they cannot make a trade, the cap.

But there is cap space, it is called retention. Let's say Canucks have a 10 mil player, a nice easy number to figure and big enough to be significant. They retain 5 million so now instead of having a cap of 10 million it is 5 million. They have magically lent 5 million of cap space to another team. True the other team would need 5 mil in cap space but that is much easier than 10 million.

Boeser - at 3.325 mil.
Horvat at 2.75
Miller - 2.6 this year
Garland - 2.49 mil
OEL - 3.6 mil
Pearson - 1.7 mil

Are any of them hard to trade now? Is that much space required?

The team can then trade for the younger players at lower salaries, why?
Rutherford answered why, time. To him it would take 4 or 5 years for a draft pick to be helpful so what if that is the thinking across the NHL? Then not only are these teams getting a valuable player at a discount helping them immediately they are also saving years in development TIME.

The higher the value of the traded players the more the returns but the cap space is always there if there is retention

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He lost me at sitting Boeser was a bad thing. This list sucks.

Boeser was full value for being a healthy scratch...Boudreau was obviously unaware that it was Hockey Fights Cancer night.

 

[bossram]

I tend to agree with both of the above although it seems more than half the teams are being managed by people who are bad at cap management and counting on future cap increases to fix their issues.

That's because there's only like 200 people in the world who are "qualified" to run NHL teams (AKA nepotism or in the Old Boys Club).

If NHL teams were actually run by smart people, lawyers, financiers, business-people, accountants, statisticians, data modellers, etc., teams would be infinitely better managed. Instead, they're run by 70-year-olds with years of undiagnosed brain trauma.

 

[BimJenning]

We're both out of the playoffs running AND the Bedard sweepstakes somehow.

We are all Canucks
Unfinished Business

 

[theguardianII]

Boeser was full value for being a healthy scratch...Boudreau was obviously unaware that it was Hockey Fights Cancer night.

Easy to miss any of the "nights" dedicated to something now, a marketing tool to try to attract fans and distract fan anger.

Is there any non specials? How many times have the Sedins been honored now?

They just better not trade off Gino's death, that would be so shallow and disrespectful.

 

[valkynax]

We're both out of the playoffs running AND the Bedard sweepstakes somehow.

Because we're hot shit. We're the hottest shit since the invention of hot shit. Compare with us, the other hot shits are like...like...frozen shit...or something.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Easy to miss any of the "nights" dedicated to something now, a marketing tool to try to attract fans and distract fan anger.

Is there any non specials? How many times have the Sedins been honored now?

They just better not trade off Gino's death, that would be so shallow and disrespectful.

Why are you ranting about special team nights…?..

 

[m9]

Easy to miss any of the "nights" dedicated to something now, a marketing tool to try to attract fans and distract fan anger.

Is there any non specials? How many times have the Sedins been honored now?

They just better not trade off Gino's death, that would be so shallow and disrespectful.

Hey, it's only 23 theme nights this season. Bruce is perfectly welcome to field any roster he wants for the other 18 nights.

 

[theguardianII]

Why are you ranting about special team nights…?..

Game night specials, like "Tonight we honor Puppy Dog Night for animal owners? or "The Sedins retired 5 years ago tonight recognition night""The 1982 Remeberance cup run night" "The 1994 Cup run night" "Ukrainian Night" "Celebration of light night"
Just the various event names attached to a game.

Hardly a rant. The only RANT part was don't use Gino's passing as an attraction to the game

 

[LordBacon]

8.5% chance at bedard
3% chance at playoffs.

Makes sense for this group to go for the playoffs.
aNyThInG cAn HaPpEn

 

[cabinessence]

She was a player agent and had worked as one for 8 years, has a bachelor in finance and a law degree. It's a bit disingenuous to claim she's a nobody who went from an internship to AGM, no?

No, just 6 years and did not represent any NHL players. What other NHL experience did she have besides being an intern?

I imagine it's her degree in finance and experience as a player agent that landed her the role as AGM in charge of contracts/salary cap. Not her gender or any quota needing filling.

I didn't say boo about her gender, but I guess you want to play that card. What experience did she have in the NHL? For example name someone who was a player agent for even a junior team player that went right to AGM?

 

[John Belushi]

Hey, it's only 23 theme nights this season. Bruce is perfectly welcome to field any roster he wants for the other 18 nights.

are there actually 23 themed nights

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

We're both out of the playoffs running AND the Bedard sweepstakes somehow.

Seems accurate.

Just waiting for Doerrie to confirm.

 

[m9]

are there actually 23 themed nights

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To be fair a bunch are just dumb promo things

 

[rypper]

No, just 6 years and did not represent any NHL players. What other NHL experience did she have besides being an intern?


I didn't say boo about her gender, but I guess you want to play that card. What experience did she have in the NHL? For example name someone who was a player agent for even a junior team player that went right to AGM?

Uhh yeah you did.

Can you imagine a male with the same credentials going to an AGM position that quickly?

 

[F A N]

Has there been an instance where a GM/POHO admitted to talking to other head coaching candidates when the (non-interim) head coach is still coaching the team?

 

[ChilliBilly]

Is it just me, or does everyone else expect that our attempt to sell players for the max once again goes like last years Miller sweepstakes, and we fail to trade anyone before the trade deadline, and we sign Horvat to some silly amount based on one season, and have to trade all of our draft picks to get rid of a couple of dead horses to meet the cap.

 

[drax0s]

No, just 6 years and did not represent any NHL players. What other NHL experience did she have besides being an intern?

I mean 6 years as an agent, a law degree, and a bachelors in finance seems like a pretty solid skillset to me for someone expected to handle the cap (finance) and contracts (law).

Do you think like spending 6 years beforehand scouting junior prospects in the QMJHL before or something like that would somehow enhance her capability to do her job?

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Is it just me, or does everyone else expect that our attempt to sell players for the max once again goes like last years Miller sweepstakes, and we fail to trade anyone before the trade deadline, and we sign Horvat to some silly amount based on one season, and have to trade all of our draft picks to get rid of a couple of dead horses to meet the cap.

Yes, I expect Schenn and Kuzmenko to also get term and money and maybe they trade our top 10 pick with Garland and trade Myers with a 3rd next year to make it happen.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

On hockey fights cancer night. After his dad had a long losing battle with cancer. Scratch him any other night. Scratch him the rest of the season for all I care.

Exactly, guess he missed that part.

 

[Hodgy]

A coaching change right now would be another short sighted move by an organization that can't help but always pick the short term solution at the expense of the long term health of the club.

Hiring Tockett will likely result in the Canucks winning more games down the stretch and worsening their draft pick than simply leaving Bruce in place (or firing Bruce and promoting Yeo if you want to do something for optics). But you have to remember that this organization wants to be competitive NEXT year, and it is very difficult to start well in a year when you were tanking the year before. So making a coaching change right now makes sense if you prioritize next year over the long term future of the club which is obviously what the organization is doing and has been doing year after year after year.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

You'd think if any administration could appreciate what drafting in the top 2 or 3 spots can do for a franchise revitalization it would be the ones who benefitted from multiple Cups in effing Pittsburgh. Rutherford and Allvin didn't draft Crosby and Malkin but they seem to be showing a complete lack of understanding that those picks (not to mention Fleury and Staal) are the foundational reason that history for the Penguins shifted as it did.

 

[NYVanfan]

Yeah watch us trade good picks and/or assets to get rid of Boeser and/or Garland, so we can throw a ton of money at Kuzmenko. Thats about what i expect right now.