Benning’s entire tenure is a counterpoint to anything that happens in the NHL. He is GOAT level bad for that reason. He does shit that no other GMs do.
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Benning’s entire tenure is a counterpoint to anything that happens in the NHL. He is GOAT level bad for that reason. He does shit that no other GMs do.
sandwichbird2023
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Wow, what a joke. First off Donnie is right, the timing of this press conference could not have been worst. Move it to tomorrow and show some respect for Gino for f*** sake.
JR: you spent months analyzing this team and thought it only need minor surgery? You didn't realize it will be hard to dump contract in a flat cap world? You get paid millions and spent months on this and you STILL couldn't come to the right conclusion? Any regular joe who pay any attention to the team for the last couple years could've told you this, yet you with your army of new GM/AGMs can't? Time to move over grandpa and let somebody who actually understand hockey and salary cap take over.
Allvin and the rest of the AGMs: I don't believe you are all ok with this, so speak up or GTFO. I understand Allvin might need the paycheque so he'll happily play the puppet, but Castonguay and Granato, you guys have high paying and/or respectable carriers to fall back on, why are you guys staying on to be yes-people!? Grow a spine and quit before it tarnish your reputations too!
This is such a clown show, I almost kind of feel bad for the players (key word: almost).
JR: you spent months analyzing this team and thought it only need minor surgery? You didn't realize it will be hard to dump contract in a flat cap world? You get paid millions and spent months on this and you STILL couldn't come to the right conclusion? Any regular joe who pay any attention to the team for the last couple years could've told you this, yet you with your army of new GM/AGMs can't? Time to move over grandpa and let somebody who actually understand hockey and salary cap take over.
Allvin and the rest of the AGMs: I don't believe you are all ok with this, so speak up or GTFO. I understand Allvin might need the paycheque so he'll happily play the puppet, but Castonguay and Granato, you guys have high paying and/or respectable carriers to fall back on, why are you guys staying on to be yes-people!? Grow a spine and quit before it tarnish your reputations too!
This is such a clown show, I almost kind of feel bad for the players (key word: almost).
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These things take months. Just like creating a gambling ring operation.
He needs to reach out to Trooper James Harney and Janet Jones.
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Imagine if we hire this guy, and he brings the mustache man back as a. coach.
I will laugh so very very hard.
rypper
21-12-05 it's finally over.
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Maybe the coaching change rumors would be less of a thing in the market if upper management wasn't taking seemingly every and any opportunity to drag the current coach.
topched88
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Ive said this since the start.
Its going to be benning's plan executed better, but at the same time of cleaning up his mistakes.
I think they are much more competent than benning, but the strategy is still wrong and not conducive to winning a cup.
Its going to be benning's plan executed better, but at the same time of cleaning up his mistakes.
I think they are much more competent than benning, but the strategy is still wrong and not conducive to winning a cup.
I mean sure, if it happens. I mean did they get the Dermott,Hamonic, Dickinson trade? Did they get the Mik and Lazar signing? The Miller or Boeser signing? I think the only thing anyone got was Bear. So they have a remarkably low hit rate with rumors.
Bubbles
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Rumour was that Janet took the poison pill for her husband. Gretzky is reportedly a problem gambler.
Which makes perfect sense with his BetMGM ads, yikes
cabinessence
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Well the media declared this diverse staff the best they ever assembled the minute they were all confirmed. You cannot criticize this regime or they may one up themselves and appoint another person in charge with an irrelevant resume to fill a quota.
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I wasn't clear enough, since you missed the point.
Benning was a bad GM and his poor personnel evaluation compounded management's terrible overall plan. He was also not nearly as bad as people think. (like 2/10 instead of 1/10, which is twice as good!)
That plan matters way more than the quality of player evaluation and the hockey world will now be giving Jim the benefit of that doubt. "He drafted Pettersson and Hughes... imagine what he could do with a competent owner letting him make other decisions". I can just see the hockey world lining up to offer him a chance at redemption. My main point is that this is funny. "Benning-Bro" was tongue in cheek.
rypper
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Which person on staff has an irrelevant resume and is filling a quota?
They are better than JEB but not a whole lot, from what I see. And...that's a depressingly low bar, don't you think?
They can talk better than JEB, and...that's really about it.
They claim to be tanking but their signings and attempts to retain Horvat contradict that. Or maybe it's all part of their tanking and half-ass retool tactic?
Two aspects of their managing competency have yet to be seen, drafting/eye for talents, and trades. Contact negotiation, one can say that signing Miller is a plus, but given the circumstances at the time, where someone like Pacioretty could be given away for nothing, and how Miller's been performing since then, I would not put that as evidence that Moleman and Alv are good at dealing with contracts.
rypper
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Again, you're making weird comparisons.
I'm saying they don't miss when they zero in on a move with specific names. You're saying they don't catch every move before it's made. Two different things.
Also yes, Mikheyev and Bear were rumoured before acquired. This organization isn't the sealed vault that some like to pretend it is.
I mean he does work in media so that's very possible
bandwagonesque
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"The changes we need to make are not with the core players"
"We need to make huge changes and it's going to be controversial"
Knowing what he can and can't say publicly, he must want to change at least some of the core but he doesn't know when or if he will have an opportunity.
After some consideration I'd give JEB a grade of 0.5/10. He did a few not-so-shitty-things, and he could stand and walk on his own. He could talk on his own, sort of, but you'd think either he doesn't know how to read the prompts or his thoughts move at the speed of glacial migration.
Coming up with any positives for this man is really like trying to scraping of inside of my toilet with a box cutter...
Yeah Tocchet does work in the media so it’s very obvious who is doing the leaking. But until a contract is signed, you don’t know if that’s going to land.
So there are really only two possibilities right now. He signs and all the leaks are right. He doesn’t and all of this is a giant FU to the media.
topched88
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Its a very low bar, me saying they are much better than him doesnt mean I dont believe we dont have bottom 10 management league wide. I was quietly optimistic until the miller extension. That one was an absolute dagger, but if the eye is to try and make the playoffs over the next couple seasons, re signing miller gives a better chance of that than the pieces he would return.They are better than JEB but not a whole lot, from what I see. And...that's a depressingly low bar, don't you think?
They can talk better than JEB, and...that's really about it.
They claim to be tanking but their signings and attempts to retain Horvat contradict that. Or maybe it's all part of their tanking and half-ass retool tactic?
Two aspects of their managing competency have yet to be seen, drafting/eye for talents, and trades. Contact negotiation, one can say that signing Miller is a plus, but given the circumstances at the time, where someone like Pacioretty could be given away for nothing, and how Miller's been performing since then, I would not put that as evidence that Moleman and Alv are good at dealing with contracts.
The kicker is, so does re-signing horvat. Which I would bet money on still happens. I fully expect horvat to be here next training camp with a new deal.
rypper
21-12-05 it's finally over.
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Yeah f*** this guy. The contracts he created is part of the problem we have here. He might as well come out and say haha they can’t fix the problem I created
What a f***ing moron.
'My performance got critical acclaim' says the guy who signed almost all of the bad contracts that f***ed over this organization, including the current too-short Pettersson deal.
Jumptheshark
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I am not even going to say I come in peace
Did I hear right that the canucks confirmed they have talks with several people about the coaching position? Did they fire Bruce and i missed it? As an oiler fan I can say our entire organization often rides in a clown car. But if the canucks did make that statement? It is beyond oiler level stupid and disrespectful.
What the hell happened with the team? If Bruce got hired a month earlier I think you guys make the playoffs last season.
How did he lose the room so quickly?
Did I hear right that the canucks confirmed they have talks with several people about the coaching position? Did they fire Bruce and i missed it? As an oiler fan I can say our entire organization often rides in a clown car. But if the canucks did make that statement? It is beyond oiler level stupid and disrespectful.
What the hell happened with the team? If Bruce got hired a month earlier I think you guys make the playoffs last season.
How did he lose the room so quickly?
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