Post-Game Talk: Making it interesting! Jets close out the Islanders 3-2

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[Positive]

Did you not see that Chicago game? Ellerby is NOWHERE near ready for 2nd pairing minutes.

******* this feels like an exact replica of the Clitsome situation. I liked the claim as a 3rd pairing type of guy. He came in played great and everyone is dying for the 2nd pairing role which I advise against. Look how Clitsome has worked at over 2 million on the 2nd pairing. Disaster. Ellerby is real solid where he is, sheltered on the 3rd pairing. Very effective there. He is not a 2nd pairing guy right now. Give him some time MAYBE (unlike Clitsome who will never be), but doubtful.

You don't get it. All he wants is for you to be proud of him. You never understood how special he is. And I don't think you ever will.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Honestly? I actually thought Ellerby played really well in that game. He got victimized twice by a not bad player: JT. I remember thinking he played really well despite that.

I have really been happy with him. I don't think it's the same as the Clitsome situation but agree we need to see more of him before we give him a 5 year deal.

Really? I think you need to rewatch that game. He made a whole heck of a lot of poor decisions with the puck on top on being late/out of position on several other plays. Yes he scored the goal on a nice play, but he was victimized quite often in that game.

Honestly Ellerby has played above my expectations from his time in LA. He has looked really solid so far in most cases, as a 3rd pairing guy. Doesn't make too many mistakes, but doesn't create a lot (despite having a great success rate on what he is creating so far). Very happy with him. Honestly it's very similiar to Clitsome in the early going, in that he was far exceeding expectations in a limited role. While Clitsome was/is much more high risk/high reward, he was also showing immediate impacts. But much like Clitsome, you cannot expect/force him to take that next step too fast. 2 organizations have given up on him completely for a reason.

Yeah, he had a poor game vs Chicago, but I don't judge anyone on one game. You watched him much more with LA than I ever have, but sometimes a change of scenery and expectations will do wonders for a kid who struggled early, but has all the tools. I have no preconceived ideas and am judging him purely on what I see now. Perhaps that allows me to be less partial, but perhaps he'll regress over time. We shall see.

From what I have seen since he arrived--admittedly a small sample size-- Ellerby is a class above Clitsome, Stuart or Pardy.

While I will never fault a player for one bad game, that's the only game we have to judge him on his play in the top 4. However much like Ellerby cannot possibly be that bad full-time in the top 4, Clitsome was not as good as we saw early in year 1 in the top 4 against Washington. These are both similiar talent level players. Players that can both play bottom pairing minutes but just cannot handle the day to day in the top 4, that can be seen with Clitsome's mistakes and Ellerby's inability to keep pace.

My biggest thing is not too high, not too low. Clitsome has been solid as a bottom pairing defender. He is not a top 4 guy. Early on, people wanted him top 4 with Buff. Then they wanted him out of the lineup. Then they wanted him back in the top 4 when he signed his ridiculously stupid over 2 mil extension. Now they want him back out of the lineup. Keep an even keel people. Clitsome is a solid (albeit now overpaid) bottom pairing defenseman. That's where he should be. Ellerby has gone from forgotten piece in LA to solid bottom pairing D in WPG. That's where he should be. He is not going to thrive in a top 4 role, he will not manage. Keep expectations where they should be.

Honestly right now if I'm the Jets when Bogo is back this is the lineup they should run, IMO.

Enstrom - Byfuglien
Bogosian - Trouba (if your set on Bogosian being here long term he NEEDS to learn LD)
Clitsome - Ellerby (Ellerby is more stable and able to take off side responsibility)
Stuart - Redmond (pressbox, rotated in)
IR: Postma

 

[garret9]

Stuart had a pretty good night after I *****ed about him yesterday:

Before the Jets started sitting on a lead he was only a -1 Corsi, +0 Fenwick, +1 Shots, +2 Goals...

 

[Snot Rocket]

And from the category: You Have No Idea...

And on topic, I'm filthy rich with vcash - 100 vsmackeroos - thanks Jets!

So you having me by to hit that Bowmore? I'll bring the steaks!

I haven't had Bowmore in AGES, killed my bottle of 15 year old sherry cask before the boy was a twinkle in my eye.

I mostly stick to import (German or Polish) beers to wash down a jets game.

Though I have been really digging Cutthroat Pale Ale - by Tree Brewing B.C.
Good hop flavour without the bitter bite that sometimes tags along with overhopped beers.

MMmmmm beer.

Why can't they have good beer on tap at Jets games?

 

[PhilJets]

Does anyone disagree with my opinion that Trouba is the most valuable player for the Jets right now? If you disagree, which player is more important to the success of the Jets the rest of the year ?

ladd, little, byfuglien,, enstrom, pavelec, kane.....

then wheeler, schiefele, bogosian

then maybe trouba.

 

[KingBogo]

Jeez. Well sorry. I'd never heard of the guy. Before my time.

Had no idea who the Islanders had retired numbers for. Probably Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Potvin obviously, otherwise meh I don't really care. Looked it up, missing Clark (who was mentioned) and Nystrom (who yes I have heard of). Both were the two earliest retired as well. Islanders have barely been relevant since I started following hockey in 2000-01, haven't extensively looked up their history, sorry.

Whatever guys. I know I know current hockey.

Thanks Hank Right back at yah, particularly with regards to goaltending. Goaltending is probably my weakest point, I'm more of a system/hockey sense guy, rating goaltenders is the hardest for me. I just want them to stop the puck and get out of the way

Just being hard on you bro.

I had no idea who the guy was. When they started talking about Gillies, I immidiately though of the crazy Islanders guy with the mustache.

I kept thinking you were talking about him (yes, that's Trevor Gillies), until I googled Colton Gillies for some reason. No chance I would have caught it if not for the fact that they started talking about it in the Islanders feed.

Man you guys are young. The first Jets 1.0 game I ever went to was against the Islanders just as they were gearing up for their 4 year run of cups. The Jets were real crap in those days but the Islanders were fun to watch. The Islanders were probably my second favorite team back then and I was a huge Bossy fan. But Gillies was the real deal. A 30 goal 70 point guy who wasn't out of place on the top line. he was probably the toughest guy on the team and would rise to the challenge in big games. In today NHL he would probably a 20 goal 50 point guy who would dominate on the 2nd line and make Thornburn and Peluso redundant as he could take on that enforcer role when necessary.

 

[JMT21]

Encouraging and somewhat depressing stats.

Outside the Central Division the Jets are 9-2-2. We all know record within division.

Hawks have 5 wins vs Central : 3 against us
Wild have 6 wins vs Central : 3 against us
Stars have only one win vs Central : against us
Blues are 9-0-1 vs Central : only loss against us.

Ducks have already played 17 games vs eastern conference

Jets & Stars only played 8. Jets total will rise to 12 after current road trip.

Overall record is 12-5-4 against teams not from Chicago or Minnesota.

 

[GJF]

I often smiled a little when people always used the "but we're in the Western Conference"-excuse for not making the playoffs in the West.

I was so naive.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

ladd, little, byfuglien,, enstrom, pavelec, kane.....

then wheeler, schiefele, bogosian

then maybe trouba.

Wheeler, Schiefle and Bogo have been more valuable on the ice so far this year than Trouba?

May I ask how you figure those three have had more of an impact this year?

 

[Ramsalot]

Man, I wasn't expecting much from the second period so I spent a lot of it doing dishes and preparing my food for today - I have a straight view of the TV from most of my kitchen so it's not too bad. Then we stated scoring. This victory brought to you by my kitchen. The jets helped a bit I guess. Monty had a few legit awesome saves, no biggy.

Also I can tell who all the vbookie homers are. Hint, everryone who bet exactly 157 on this game.

 

[PhilJets]

Wheeler, Schiefle and Bogo have been more valuable on the ice so far this year than Trouba?

May I ask how you figure those three have had more of an impact this year?

Tell me first how is Trouba the most valuable player fort he Jets so far this year?
maybe in the future i could see.... but all of his 10 games? Didn't he take that hooking penalty late in the game? if it was any other Jets we would have cruxifide him here on the board already.

Trouba is a Stud but to put him above Ladd, Little, Buff, Enstrom, hmmmmm even Frolika nd Jokinen
i just separated the others as i wanted to see a reaction and i did..


Go Jets
Go nic Petan the new shinny toy next year.

 

[LadyJet26]

Tell me first how is Trouba the most valuable player fort he Jets so far this year?
maybe in the future i could see.... but all of his 10 games? Didn't he take that hooking penalty late in the game? if it was any other Jets we would have cruxifide him here on the board already.

Trouba is a Stud but to put him above Ladd, Little, Buff, Enstrom, hmmmmm even Frolika nd Jokinen
i just separated the others as i wanted to see a reaction and i did..


Go Jets
Go nic Petan the new shinny toy next year.

Trouba's hooking penalty was BS. He's by far our best dman this year.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

Tell me first how is Trouba the most valuable player fort he Jets so far this year?

1. He has been our most consistent defenseman this year.
2. He very rarely makes mistakes with the puck in our end.
3. He moves the puck up the ice very well.
4. We seem to win a fair bit when he is in the lineup.

Good enough for ya

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Trouba's hooking penalty was BS. He's by far our best dman this year.

These guys might have something to say about that:

That said, I think Trouba has played extremely well for such a young d-man, and I'm incredibly happy to have him on the Jets. Dude will be an important part of the Jets improving their play going forward, but currently, I'd give the edge to Buff and Enström.

Oh, and I agree: the hooking penalty was weak. Some strange officiating for both the Jets and the opposition going back a few games now.

 

[LadyJet26]

These guys might have something to say about that:

That said, I think Trouba has played extremely well for such a young d-man, and I'm incredibly happy to have him on the Jets. Dude will be an important part of the Jets improving their play going forward, but currently, I'd give the edge to Buff and Enström.

Oh, and I agree: the hooking penalty was weak. Some strange officiating for both the Jets and the opposition going back a few games now.

Leave me alone... I haven't had my tea this morning Stupid coffee mug started leaking from the bottom this morning. So have to wait until lunch to get something from starbucks.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

These guys might have something to say about that:

That said, I think Trouba has played extremely well for such a young d-man, and I'm incredibly happy to have him on the Jets. Dude will be an important part of the Jets improving their play going forward, but currently, I'd give the edge to Buff and Enström.

Oh, and I agree: the hooking penalty was weak. Some strange officiating for both the Jets and the opposition going back a few games now.

No question that Toby and Buff have been playing very well. Having said that if someone told me today - that we would lose one of Buff, Toby or Trouba to injury in the next game - and considering how well Toby and Buff have been playing - I'd want it to be one of them and not Trouba. Just my opinion...

 

[Whileee]

Honestly right now if I'm the Jets when Bogo is back this is the lineup they should run, IMO.

Enstrom - Byfuglien
Bogosian - Trouba (if your set on Bogosian being here long term he NEEDS to learn LD)
Clitsome - Ellerby (Ellerby is more stable and able to take off side responsibility)
Stuart - Redmond (pressbox, rotated in)
IR: Postma

Yup... That's what I'd like to see this season. If Bogo can be effective on LD then I think it will develop into a very strong top 4. Knowing Noel's tendencies, I can't see him sitting a healthy Stuart for either Clitsome or Ellerby. That's just the way he rolls.

I agree that Clitsome is overpaid, but the Jets D would have been in serious trouble this year without him with all of the injuries.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Tell me first how is Trouba the most valuable player fort he Jets so far this year?
maybe in the future i could see.... but all of his 10 games? Didn't he take that hooking penalty late in the game? if it was any other Jets we would have cruxifide him here on the board already.

Trouba is a Stud but to put him above Ladd, Little, Buff, Enstrom, hmmmmm even Frolika nd Jokinen
i just separated the others as i wanted to see a reaction and i did..


Go Jets
Go nic Petan the new shinny toy next year.

First, to reference that hooking penalty as a point against trouba is really laughable. That was such a weak call. Gimme a break...

But as far as Trouba's value to the team compared to other guys, I think his age and experience plays into that. By that I mean that we are all looking at him and how he's playing and we are blown away because he's a 19 yr old rookie. Frankly, I think he's been as good as Buff defensively. I think he's been as good as bogo too. That's an astounding thing given his age...

 

[Whileee]

I think that a lot of fans are still seriously underestimating Buff's value to the team. He really is the core of our D. Even though I think he's going to be a bit old for the ultimate core of a contending Jets team, I'd love to see him in the playoffs. He's a player that can elevate his game to a level that few players can.

 

[Whileee]

First, to reference that hooking penalty as a point against trouba is really laughable. That was such a weak call. Gimme a break...

But as far as Trouba's value to the team compared to other guys, I think his age and experience plays into that. By that I mean that we are all looking at him and how he's playing and we are blown away because he's a 19 yr old rookie. Frankly, I think he's been as good as Buff defensively. I think he's been as good as bogo too. That's an astounding thing given his age...

Trouba has been nothing short of superb as a 19-year old rookie. He might have a few bumps along his development, but based on what we've seen so far I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that he will be a franchise defenseman in the mold of Suter or Weber. Once he's physically mature and has more experience, I think he'll be a top echelon cornerstone on D.

 

[Huffer]

I'm not sure if Ellerby is above Clitsome as a player overall from a hockey perspective, but being a low event player makes Ellerby easier to appreciate as a fan haha

I definitely need to see more of Ellerby this season, but I have not liked Clitsome this year at all. Bogo is getting called out on this board for his mistakes, because some of his have obviously been huge. I've found Clitsome to be very poor at multiple things this year. He's been generally weak on the puck, made some terrible decisions with it, and takes terrible angles when he's engaging the opposition.

Don't think Ellerby is second pair material, but I'd rather have him out there than Clitsome right now.

Baring a trade, one of Bogo and Trouba needs to learn to play on the left as our top 4 D are obviously Enstrom, Buff, Bogo, and Trouba.

Of all the rest, I would put Ellerby at #5. The org loves Stewy for his intangibles and leadership, and I think Ellerby can play on the right, so if they made that the bottom pair that might work.

Long story short, if either Bogo or Trouba can start to play on the left (and Buff isn't dealt), I would have no problem if Clitsome is dealt.

 

[jefferoni]

I think that a lot of fans are still seriously underestimating Buff's value to the team. He really is the core of our D. Even though I think he's going to be a bit old for the ultimate core of a contending Jets team, I'd love to see him in the playoffs. He's a player that can elevate his game to a level that few players can.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking. I could not agree more.

 

[Huffer]

Enstrom - Byfuglien
Bogosian - Trouba (if your set on Bogosian being here long term he NEEDS to learn LD)
Clitsome - Ellerby (Ellerby is more stable and able to take off side responsibility)
Stuart - Redmond (pressbox, rotated in)
IR: Postma

Agree on Bogo trying to learn to play on the left again. I think he mentioned in an interview this year that he wasn't comfortable over there, but long term, either he or Trouba need to move over there if the team isn't trading Buff.

My only difference is that I really haven't like Clitsome's game this year. Stuart is the black hole of possession and all stats besides blocked shots, but at this stage I would rather have him on the bottom pair with Ellerby.

 

[ps241]

We might want to give Trouba a try on the left side (if Bogosian is uncomfortable)? They did that with Seth Jones in Nashville when paring him with the uber talented Shea Weber? Also I saw Jacob play left point on the PP at Michigan and he looked comfortable defending off that side when occasion called for it. He seems like the type of kid that could adapt and rise to the challenge?