Post-Game Talk: Make it 8-2-2: Canucks 2, Wild 1

[Eastside]

Anyone listening to the team 1040 post-game show?

Season ticket holders in the upper bowl calling in complaining that the Southsiders were too loud, and had the nerve to stand (from my understanding they had a section all the way to the back).

So I guess we can put to rest the myth that the "real" fans are all in the upper section.

One caller even said he prefers the arena to be quiet

It's a shame, Canucks games will never have that fun atmosphere it seems.

Well that's just embarrassing.

 

[bottomlesspop]

Was at the game tonight. 1st star was the SOUTHSIDERS, great fans, great job what a joy! I wish there were more raucous fans like this!

 

[deadinthewater]

Was at the game tonight. 1st star was the SOUTHSIDERS, great fans, great job what a joy! I wish there were more raucous fans like this!

Anyone have a picture/video of these guys? Never saw them on the broadcast...

 

[Zombotron]

Was at the game tonight. 1st star was the SOUTHSIDERS, great fans, great job what a joy! I wish there were more raucous fans like this!

I hope they show up again, and it's a joke that people are complaining about it.

 

[Blue Suede Shoes]

Wasn't a great game for us, Lu had some big saves. I'll take the W. Minnesota doesn't seem to have much firepower - they've scored 1 regulation goal each of their last 6 games. I guess you can say Minnesota is... not a happy Kuemper.

 

[vector209]

I don't blame you, as that's an easy mistake to make. Edler of 12/13 replacing Ehrhoff of 10/11 is the same as the Sedins of 06/07 replacing Naslund/Bertuzzi in 05/06 in that their roles were being elevated from beta to alpha.

I'm curious to why you think the Hodgson/Kassian deal was a mistake? The only problem I have is the timing, but I'm guessing you have something else in mind.

Yes. The coach runs a system that's based on puck-movement, yet they let go of the only defenseman capable of consistent and reliable puck-movement. I blame Gillis for letting Ehrhoff go instead of trading Ballard.

The Naslund to Sedin transition works in a sense because they took on a top line role and other second liners filled their place. Edler was already a top pairing defenseman in 2011, even if he broke out more the subsequent years. You can't just say he's replacing Ehrhoff. Who replaces Edler? And who replaces that player? And so on? It's a fallacious argument.

AV runs a puck movement system and Ehrhoff was conducive to that system's success. Just watching the team two years ago vs the team now, it's not really surprising why the Sedins don't seem as dangerous without that puck moving D on the back end.

This is one of the primary reasons I want this team to go hard after Mike Green. As great as Luongo is, I'd swap him in a 1 on 1 for Green anyday because of his similar playstyle to Ehrhoff. I think Green would bring instant offense and ignite a lot of the forwards. Sometimes, some players can really have that impact, like Karlsson does with Ottawa.

 

[AmazingNuck]

You guys are crazy about Garrison. Bad skater? Whaaat? Garrison is a fine defense men who is eating minutes reliably. His underlying numbers when they signed him suggested a quality possession player who was scoring last year with a very high shooting percentage. The Canucks mush have known his shooting percentage would regress, but they signed him anyways because they wanted another Hamhuis-like player who reliably devours tough minutes (thus taking some of the heavy load typically carried by Juice and Hamhuis previously).

unfortunately, fans aren't smart. They see the goal column and had expectations for Ehrhoff. Knew this reaction would happen. Shelve your power play expectations and know that he's still making a very positive impact on this lineup.

People see Garrison and compare him to Ehrhoff and Salo, but that's wrong. In 09-10 and 10-11, Ehrhoff was the alpha of the defensemen in terms of offense and Edler was the beta. Now, Edler takes the alpha role. Really, people should be comparing Edler of 11-13 to Ehrhoff of 09-11. Garrison should be compared to Edler of 09-11.. and we all know how good Edler was defensively when Ehrhoff was around.

Edler has produced beautifully. Unfortunately, while he surpasses Ehrhoff in offensive production, he takes a step back in the defensive department and can't skate as well/move the puck as well as Ehrhoff could.

 

[Orca Smash]

So for the people saying we need an erhoff type player, what did we do the first half of 2011-2012 to lead the league in playoff goals until janurary? Our PP tanked after that boston game and I have no idea why, but it was on fire october, november, december, without erhoff, then died.

 

[Bleach Clean]

This game was a mixed bag. I liked the team's defensive effort for the most part. Offensively, I was expecting just a bit better execution. A Sedins conversion, which they were close to, would have helped quelled that perception.



I didn't like how the Sedins got pushed around. I'd like it if they stood up for themselves a bit more, just so there not always looking for someone else to step in. But I guess it's too much to ask of these guys. You can't fault them because they keep going to the hard areas... I just want them to stick up for themselves for once.



I'm not worried about the team having a PMD. The objective is to have the best even strength team first. Usually, you have to shelter a pure PP specialist, which I don't want this team doing anymore. Switch the configuration, not the personnel.

 

[AmazingNuck]

The Naslund to Sedin transition works in a sense because they took on a top line role and other second liners filled their place. Edler was already a top pairing defenseman in 2011, even if he broke out more the subsequent years. You can't just say he's replacing Ehrhoff. Who replaces Edler? And who replaces that player? And so on? It's a fallacious argument.

AV runs a puck movement system and Ehrhoff was conducive to that system's success. Just watching the team two years ago vs the team now, it's not really surprising why the Sedins don't seem as dangerous without that puck moving D on the back end.

This is one of the primary reasons I want this team to go hard after Mike Green. As great as Luongo is, I'd swap him in a 1 on 1 for Green anyday because of his similar playstyle to Ehrhoff. I think Green would bring instant offense and ignite a lot of the forwards. Sometimes, some players can really have that impact, like Karlsson does with Ottawa.

The Sedins took the role of primary scorer after being secondary scorers. Edler was on the top pairing, but he was the defensive focus of that pairing. Now, Edler is the offensive focus.. if you had not noticed, Edler is better offensively than he was back then, but he's also much worse defensively now than back then.

Edler replaces Ehrhoff's role as the offensive side of the top pairing. Garrison replaces Edler's role as the defensive side of the top pairing. Does this not make sense?

How exactly is it a fallacious argument? If I have an answer for every replacement, then there is no fallacy.

Ehrhoff, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Salo, Ballard.

Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev, Ballard.

Edler replaces Ehrhoff, Garrison replaces Edler, Tanev replaces Salo. Here, we have our replacements. It'd be stupid to say that Garrison replaces Ehrhoff because they do not play the same role. Garrison replaces Ehrhoff's roster spot, but not his role. Edler keeps his roster spot, but not his role.


I do not know if Green would make the team better, but if you asked me today, I would never do that trade. Having two goaltenders played a huge part in the Canucks winning two president's trophies in a row. Having the ability to stay at a competitive level if the #1 goaltender goes down is not a luxury but a necessity.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

This game was a mixed bag. I liked the team's defensive effort for the most part. Offensively, I was expecting just a bit better execution. A Sedins conversion, which they were close to, would have helped quelled that perception.



I didn't like how the Sedins got pushed around. I'd like it if they stood up for themselves a bit more, just so there not always looking for someone else to step in. But I guess it's too much to ask of these guys. You can't fault them because they keep going to the hard areas... I just want them to stick up for themselves for once.



I'm not worried about the team having a PMD. The objective is to have the best even strength team first. Usually, you have to shelter a pure PP specialist, which I don't want this team doing anymore. Switch the configuration, not the personnel.

The only time the Canucks really retaliated for a cheapshot resulted in a powerplay for the Wild and their only goal.

Really, when the refs won't give you the calls, there is no great way to respond to cheapshots.

 

[AmazingNuck]

So for the people saying we need an erhoff type player, what did we do the first half of 2011-2012 to lead the league in playoff goals until janurary? Our PP tanked after that boston game and I have no idea why, but it was on fire october, november, december, without erhoff, then died.

Well we never led the league in playoff goals until Jaunary, did we?

Honestly, I have no idea, because even as we led the league, I never once lost the feeling that it wasn't sustainable and that we'd drop off at any moment. In the end, I was right.

My only theory is that they played a lot harder on the powerplay until January because they expected a top unit, but they burnt out due to having to play so hard to keep up a the #1 position.

 

[JBIZ14]

Well that's just embarrassing.

Kicking guys out for standing in a section filled with a supporters group all standing is embarrassing and shows just how out of touch with real fans both the stadium staff and the team are.

 

[AmazingNuck]

I'm not worried about the team having a PMD. The objective is to have the best even strength team first. Usually, you have to shelter a pure PP specialist, which I don't want this team doing anymore. Switch the configuration, not the personnel.

Anymore? If you are referring to Gragnani, then I agree. If you are referring to Ehrhoff, then I must disagree. Ehrhoff was never a powerplay specialist. He ate so much minutes when he was here. In fact, he killed penalties and did that quite well. He was our top defenseman for the 2 years he was here.

 

[Zombotron]

Kicking guys out for standing in a section filled with a supporters group all standing is embarrassing and shows just how out of touch with real fans both the stadium staff and the team are.

One poster said it wasn't the main group of Southsiders that was affected but rather the outliers in other seating areas, who were blocking the views of other fans.

 

[Bleach Clean]

The only time the Canucks really retaliated for a cheapshot resulted in a powerplay for the Wild and their only goal.

Really, when the refs won't give you the calls, there is no great way to respond to cheapshots.

There is a way, but first, your timing has to be right. On top of that, you have to walk on that edge without going over. At 2-0, after the hit on Daniel, there should have been hell to pay for Falk. Right at that point. Before Lappy felt like he had to do something.


Lappy did start laying out some people on the forecheck, but it's got to be more than him. If you want to keep it clean, you need more than one guy doing what he did. The 4th line couldn't play well enough to extract "revenge" in this case.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Anymore? If you are referring to Gragnani, then I agree. If you are referring to Ehrhoff, then I must disagree. Ehrhoff was never a powerplay specialist. He ate so much minutes when he was here. In fact, he killed penalties and did that quite well. He was our top defenseman for the 2 years he was here.

Nope.


Ehrhoff was sheltered with his minutes here. His QoC wasn't great, and he sifted down to the bottom pair during games where they had to protect him. In the playoffs, he got exposed.


I don't want a PP specialist you have to shelter like that. And then perhaps make an even make a bigger mistake by giving him 5.6m or whatever. He was good for what he was, but this team needs to play a harder, more consistent brand of hockey.

 

[goodluckchuck]

Honestly, the south siders or whatever they're called were very annoying
Especially when one of them had a vuvezela and playing it like it was world cup 2010. I was sitting a couple of rows next to them. They had taken all of the top 3 sections of 301 .

Overall game was great. And we got the win which is what matters the most

 

[VanEric]

There is a way, but first, your timing has to be right. On top of that, you have to walk on that edge without going over. At 2-0, after the hit on Daniel, there should have been hell to pay for Falk. Right at that point. Before Lappy felt like he had to do something.


Lappy did start laying out some people on the forecheck, but it's got to be more than him. If you want to keep it clean, you need more than one guy doing what he did. The 4th line couldn't play well enough to extract "revenge" in this case.

We won the game and the Wild continue their miserable season. I'm sure the players will take it. They should only take as much "revenge" as they feel like and not do stuff to try to please fickle fans.

 

[Bleach Clean]

We won the game and the Wild continue their miserable season. I'm sure the players will take it. They should only take as much "revenge" as they feel like and not do stuff to try to please fickle fans.

So now I'm a fickle fan? lol. Get over yourself.


There were others calling for an "adjustment" as soon as they saw the Sedins be targeted. If they aren't sticking up for themselves, someone else has to do it, and do it quickly. There's no excuse to let that continue anymore.

 

[BassMason]

So for the people saying we need an erhoff type player, what did we do the first half of 2011-2012 to lead the league in playoff goals until janurary? Our PP tanked after that boston game and I have no idea why, but it was on fire october, november, december, without erhoff, then died.

Ryan Kesler got hurt.

 

[Pip]

Too many people are only remembering the positives from former players and not all the negatives that came along with them.

 

[vector209]

The Sedins took the role of primary scorer after being secondary scorers. Edler was on the top pairing, but he was the defensive focus of that pairing. Now, Edler is the offensive focus.. if you had not noticed, Edler is better offensively than he was back then, but he's also much worse defensively now than back then.

Edler replaces Ehrhoff's role as the offensive side of the top pairing. Garrison replaces Edler's role as the defensive side of the top pairing. Does this not make sense?

How exactly is it a fallacious argument? If I have an answer for every replacement, then there is no fallacy.

Ehrhoff, Edler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Salo, Ballard.

Edler, Garrison, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev, Ballard.

Edler replaces Ehrhoff, Garrison replaces Edler, Tanev replaces Salo. Here, we have our replacements. It'd be stupid to say that Garrison replaces Ehrhoff because they do not play the same role. Garrison replaces Ehrhoff's roster spot, but not his role. Edler keeps his roster spot, but not his role.


I do not know if Green would make the team better, but if you asked me today, I would never do that trade. Having two goaltenders played a huge part in the Canucks winning two president's trophies in a row. Having the ability to stay at a competitive level if the #1 goaltender goes down is not a luxury but a necessity.

2010/11 Edler had 33 points in 51 games. The notion that he was strictly a defensive player that Garrison is now replacing is the fallacious side of the argument. This team had both Ehrhoff and Edler, both of whom were offensive threats, while Edler was more defensively sound. Now, this team still has the offensive Edler, who's regressed slightly in defense, and a Garrison that I don't see putting up the same kinds of stats Edler did back in 2010/11.

You keep saying Garrison replaces Edler. This makes no sense because Edler's offensive production was still elite back then. You can say that Ehrhoff's offensive role as a defenseman was replaced by a more defensive one in Garrison. That makes sense. That I can understand. And that is a reason why this team's offense has taken a hit, because we swapped out more sound D for less O.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Honestly, the south siders or whatever they're called were very annoying
Especially when one of them had a vuvezela and playing it like it was world cup 2010. I was sitting a couple of rows next to them. They had taken all of the top 3 sections of 301 .

Overall game was great. And we got the win which is what matters the most

Damn all those people making noise at a hockey game!

 

[VanEric]

So now I'm a fickle fan? lol. Get over yourself.


There were others calling for an "adjustment" as soon as they saw the Sedins be targeted. If they aren't sticking up for themselves, someone else has to do it, and do it quickly. There's no excuse to let that continue anymore.

It's up to them to sort out that sort of stuff as a team and what they want to react to. Fans just want "justice" and "revenge" for their own amusement.