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NobodyBeatsTheWiz
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The whole thing just stinks of him being a puppet of Dick Patrick. When GMGM and Oates were canned, all we heard was that fresh eyes were needed, and then they go and hire a guy that's been with the organization for 14 years? It's someone they know who won't rock the boat and can be controlled. It's not even clear if they interviewed anyone else.
Calicaps
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It screams status quo from an organization in obvious need of a significant change in culture and vision.
It's faux change, an insult to the intelligence of everyone watching.
I might be wrong. I hope I am, but the clear message of this hire is that TednDick think the organization is well structured and overall well managed. That cluelessness is alarming to me, and likely will be to many informed observers.
well, it certainly wasnt bold. it was about as opposite as bold as could be.
you wanted them to dig deeper. seems they didnt dig at all.
I am frustrated, in that Ted's comments were all lip service. It may all work out, and I obviously hope so. But its not at all what many of us had in mind when it came to changing the culture of the franchise.
Dick's in charge, and Ted is....well, I wont say. Will see.
Means more of the same for the Bullets too.
PucktotheHead
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Did you watch the interview Vogel did with Mac? Just curious. The way he talks he seems to lead on that he didn't agree with how things were done. I don't know if he will be successful or not since I don't have any knowledge of who he is or what he is about.
I think he has just as much of a chance at being successful as anyone else coming in. Certainly by the time camp rolls around we will have a pretty good idea what the guy is about.
I don't think he is GMGM part 2 but as I have stated, I could be wrong.
artilector
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After current regime offers years of failures, a GM is promoted from within?
Like a person I know used to say, "same dick in a different hand".
Dumb inbred blowhards. That's mainly for Leonsis.
And new GM promises "work ethic"? How about your plans on building a hockey team that can play, you know, hockey? Or are we going to continue to be mesmerized with the Brouwers and Laichs of the world?
The whole thing sounds like par for the course for this Pejorative Slured organASSation.
Like a person I know used to say, "same dick in a different hand".
Dumb inbred blowhards. That's mainly for Leonsis.
And new GM promises "work ethic"? How about your plans on building a hockey team that can play, you know, hockey? Or are we going to continue to be mesmerized with the Brouwers and Laichs of the world?
The whole thing sounds like par for the course for this Pejorative Slured organASSation.
blokeyhighlander
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With all the capable GM candidates available I did not think we would go off (stay on?) the reservation.
This reeks of the front office wanting the new GM to blow smoke up their ass. Trotz can get this team to the playoffs, but a tenure similar to GMGM will result in more of the same in playoff results for Trotz and the Capitals.
This reeks of the front office wanting the new GM to blow smoke up their ass. Trotz can get this team to the playoffs, but a tenure similar to GMGM will result in more of the same in playoff results for Trotz and the Capitals.
Well, I give this to them. I dont think they could have chosen a candidate that would be getting more panned on this board than MacLellen.
Maybe MacLean...maybe
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I suppose if there's a way this setup can work it's for Trotz to legimitize any bold moves hockey ops could want to make (and to steer in that direction when necessary). The one person in the organization that ownership respects outside of power dynamics is Trotz it seems so if there's going to be ownership restraint and true cultural change he's probably going to have to be the one that puts his foot down. That could make for a volatile situation, particularly if there are persisting on-ice concerns or if MacLellan fails to have the spine to back him up.
If Trotz can leverage that respect going forward maybe it could be a formidable change in direction. As much as they want to talk about raising the bar this comes across as being fundamentally content with the front office outside of the disappointment of missing the playoffs. Granted, they allowed McPhee to enter last season as a lame duck but this is not the action of ownership that wants deep fundamental front office change. They met with the rest of the front office staff and...they liked them. They liked them so much they likely would have put further restrictions on any outside hire so I suppose doubling down is just way less messy to navigate. The front office status quo can lead them to the playoffs in the short-term...but the vision overall? I have a really hard time believing MacLellan is some rising star that's pretty much gone completely unheralded to this point. Again, maybe Trotz can help shape that direction but that's asking a lot of a coach. Organizations win and lose thanks to the entire makeup of their staffs and promoting MacLellan is so underwhelming at face value. The front office staff isn't bad but it's not great either and I'm pretty skeptical that GMBM will prune as necessary.
If Trotz can leverage that respect going forward maybe it could be a formidable change in direction. As much as they want to talk about raising the bar this comes across as being fundamentally content with the front office outside of the disappointment of missing the playoffs. Granted, they allowed McPhee to enter last season as a lame duck but this is not the action of ownership that wants deep fundamental front office change. They met with the rest of the front office staff and...they liked them. They liked them so much they likely would have put further restrictions on any outside hire so I suppose doubling down is just way less messy to navigate. The front office status quo can lead them to the playoffs in the short-term...but the vision overall? I have a really hard time believing MacLellan is some rising star that's pretty much gone completely unheralded to this point. Again, maybe Trotz can help shape that direction but that's asking a lot of a coach. Organizations win and lose thanks to the entire makeup of their staffs and promoting MacLellan is so underwhelming at face value. The front office staff isn't bad but it's not great either and I'm pretty skeptical that GMBM will prune as necessary.
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I had come around some on this then I read a post on here that as director of pro scouting he probably recommended the Laich deal, a bottom 5 Caps deal post Jagr, and I can't get past that.
If they fix the relations ship between the organization and the agents. Maybe we can get a few FA to come here. And them maybe more of the same would still be better then we had.
I know that is a stretch but maybe GMGM was the one that was hard to work with for player agents.
I know that is a stretch but maybe GMGM was the one that was hard to work with for player agents.
I didn't think it was possible for someone to give a less inspiring, passive interview than GMGM but Bmac just did that.
Ugh.
Since when is "familiarity" as he describes his advantage in the GM hunt, a plus for a candidate inheriting a losing culture.
What a gas bag Leonsis is.
Ugh.
Since when is "familiarity" as he describes his advantage in the GM hunt, a plus for a candidate inheriting a losing culture.
What a gas bag Leonsis is.
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Another thing that this move reeks of is that Leonsis didn't see anything wrong with how McPhee built the team, so he just offered up McPhee as the sacrificial lamb to maintain appearances that ownership was doing something, while things were basically gonna stay "as is" under McPhee's protege. This would also explain why few (if any?) outside GMs were interviewed -- if Leonsis convinced himself that there's nothing wrong with the team that a coat of fresh paint and a bit more "work ethic" couldn't fix.
It's also a way to redirect blame -- "we've done everything right, but the damn players just aren't playing hard enough".
Now I feel even stupider having brought up what might be going inside the Leonsis brain. 1000 of my neurons have committed seppuku, RIP.
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Ted 'n Dick are clumsy hobbyists in a game for professionals. A plague on their houses.
That said, I am going to give Brian MacLellan a chance to build a team. He was part of the Calgary Flames Cup winning team in 1989. He was a real NHL player with over 600 games played and over 400 points. That team had Nieuwendyk, Gilmour and Joel Otto up the middle. Macinnis and Suter on D. MacLellan should know something about what it takes.
And I like Trotz just fine. He will be as good a coach as we've had in a long time which is not saying much. But he is a fine coach. But you can only coach up so much. This roster is a mess.
That said, I am going to give Brian MacLellan a chance to build a team. He was part of the Calgary Flames Cup winning team in 1989. He was a real NHL player with over 600 games played and over 400 points. That team had Nieuwendyk, Gilmour and Joel Otto up the middle. Macinnis and Suter on D. MacLellan should know something about what it takes.
And I like Trotz just fine. He will be as good a coach as we've had in a long time which is not saying much. But he is a fine coach. But you can only coach up so much. This roster is a mess.
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CapsJunkie
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lets see what happens. Bring in a couple of really good free agents and this is a different team. Glad Trotz is here
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Lol what free agents?
He turns Laich into Stastny somehow and I'd be impressed.
Not much else available. No thanks on Callahan or Niskanen.
So the new GM is really Barry Trotz? While Ted,Dick and Dan Snyder sit around and talk about their toys.
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I was amused to hear that Trotz and BM hit it off, and share the same vision for the team. Which no doubt is, try and win with what they have, continue to build from within, and fill the holes with free agents. Trotz will be expected to fix the defense without any new players. Its why they got him.
I think its clear Ted's fresh perspective comment was about replacing Dick, not GM. When they didn't give Wayne as much power and ownership as he wanted, it was back to status quo.
Our only hope may be Craig Patrick taking over sooner, than later.
I think its clear Ted's fresh perspective comment was about replacing Dick, not GM. When they didn't give Wayne as much power and ownership as he wanted, it was back to status quo.
Our only hope may be Craig Patrick taking over sooner, than later.
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Yes but what's the common theme in both hires? Mac and Trotz are both saying what we want to hear: they're not like the guys we just canned. It's pretty typical for a candidate for any job to take that approach because why would you hire someone who's just like the person you fired?
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Well this tweet from a month ago seems to be off the mark:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=84176535&postcount=62
Were there any other reports of that angle from different sources, or did we all just take that bit of speculation and run with it?
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=84176535&postcount=62
Were there any other reports of that angle from different sources, or did we all just take that bit of speculation and run with it?
stanleycaps18
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I wonder what this means for Grabo. I fear they plan on going into next season with Brooks as 2C.
Also, about as uninspiring and depressing GM choice as you could possibly make and there's really no debating it. Maybe BMac will prove us wrong and work hand in hand with Trotz to bring a Cup to DC, but man, what a letdown. Fresh eyes, new perspective -- it was a great joke and the fans are the punch line.
Also, about as uninspiring and depressing GM choice as you could possibly make and there's really no debating it. Maybe BMac will prove us wrong and work hand in hand with Trotz to bring a Cup to DC, but man, what a letdown. Fresh eyes, new perspective -- it was a great joke and the fans are the punch line.
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Well on the bright side, he was probably involved in signing Grabo since he was the head of pro scouting, so I think this bodes well for him being re-signed.
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