Friedman: Mackinnon injury might force Avs to go big game hunting sooner rather than later ( Toews, Horvat)

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Horvat is the other speculated player that was thrown out.

Mac- Horvat 1,2 down the middle in the playoffs would be very very hard to stop.

Landeskog-Horvat-Nichushkin would be a fun line to watch.

 

[Jay26]

I'd far rather assets from Columbus for Horvat. The Avs should go after Toews instead!

 

[VikingAv]

It's possible but unlikely. Colorado's front office is meticulous; they don't make panic moves, and certainly not with 60 games left.

As bad as things are health wise, Helm and Nichushkin are close to returning, Byram and Landeskog (both LBI's) are skating, and Lehkonen is only day-to-day.

Heh, this is the Avs we're talking about, so this means anywhere between month-to-month, indefinitely and dead

 

[Jay26]

The Canuck fans will have fun with this. Like a fat kid with a box of smarties.

Not really actually. The only assets we'd want from Colorado I doubt are on the table. Not interested in their bottom 5 1st.

 

[BCNate]

This is going to be a really interesting time as a Canucks fan. On one hand the team is a disaster, but only 5 points back of the 3 seed in the Pacific with a game in hand. Three UFA's that will be in crazy high demand. Have to think they play the long game and re tool a bit, but who knows.

Horvat has 35 goals in his last 41 games. If the Canucks retain, he will return a very nice package.
Schenn is a physical UFA RD making bare minimum. I think he gets a 2nd
Kuzmenko is near PPG UFA LW making bare less than a million, have to think he land a late 1st.

A couple high picks and prospects would go a long way set the team up long term, just not sure they will make these moves if they are in the race.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I'd far rather assets from Columbus for Horvat. The Avs should go after Toews instead!

hometown boy Byram would probably be the asset that would trump any offer out there for Horvat.
I highly doubt he would be available for Horvat.

One can hope though? I see he is injured again, maybe Avs are getting tired of his unavailability?

 

[McJedi]

Friedman says he knows AVS are going to go for an all in trade at some point this season and he was convinced the moves were going to be later in the season, however with the Mackinnon injury, he thinks the timeline may be accelerated on when that move is going to happen whether its on Toews or Horvat.

Horvat is going big. Toews isn't. I cannot conflate these two players. It’s not close.

At least Newhook playing well and scoring. Lessens the need for 2C and makes him untouchable.

hometown boy Byram would probably be the asset that would trump any offer out there for Horvat.
I highly doubt he would be available for Horvat.

One can hope though? I see he is injured again, maybe Avs are getting tired of his unavailability?

Byram is untouchable. He got hurt blocking a shot. Leg injury. He’ll be back in a week or two.

 

[Jay26]

hometown boy Byram would probably be the asset that would trump any offer out there for Horvat.
I highly doubt he would be available for Horvat.

One can hope though? I see he is injured again, maybe Avs are getting tired of his unavailability?

Exactly, Byram likely isn't available.

To be honest, I worry about his health too.

 

[bossram]

If Horvat is dealt, I think he'll end up in Carolina.

Colorado doesn't have the assets to make a trade, and I doubt that they would be willing to trade Byram.

I doubt it.

It's not been Carolina's MO to deal premium assets for a rental. Under Dundon/Wadell/Tuslky they just haven't done it.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Hoping for Newhook + 1st for Horvat

Is that really enough? For how low that first might be id be asking for two.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I doubt it.

It's not been Carolina's MO to deal premium assets for a rental. Under Dundon/Wadell/Tuslky they just haven't done it.

Thats true but its also true that MOs should change if a team is a so called cup contender but havent been out of the 2nd round in the last 3 seasons.

 

[Breakers]

Toews looks so tired right now.

Maybe he’d be rejuvenated on a new team, but all those playoff runs and regular season games have taken its toll.

 

[deckercky]

Byram isn't going to be available for a rental - even a rental scoring at a 60+ goal pace. Young players with that kind of upside just don't get traded for rentals.

 

[Jay26]

Is that really enough? For how low that first might be id be asking for two.

Nope. Not when that 1st is bottom 5 and Newhook, although a solid young player, doesn't really move the needle for us.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I'm sure AVS dont want to over-exert and their players by asking them to play roles they are not used or capable of. They would be gassed by playoffs.

Adding "big game" pieces now will help reserve some gas in the tank plus they will avoid the auction and crazyness of the trade treadline.

That doesn’t work whatsoever for the Avs right now. The Avs are using LTIR right now, they’re not accumulating cap space. Not a single one of their injuries is seasons-ending, so all players are expected to come back. Meaning, any trades the avs make have to be money in-money out.

Acquiring Horvat or whomever else means equal salary is going the other way. Making a trade now doesn’t preserve gas for the remaining uninjured players. It simply changes which players get gassed.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

If Horvat is dealt, I think he'll end up in Carolina.

Colorado doesn't have the assets to make a trade, and I doubt that they would be willing to trade Byram.

No team on planet earth would trade Byram for a UFA.

I still think 1st and Newhook would get it done albeit Vancouver needing more D

 

[Jay26]

No team on planet earth would trade Byram for a UFA.

I still think 1st and Newhook would get it done albeit Vancouver needing more D

Is Newhook really that good? I'm not being snarky, I'm actually asking.

Either way, the Canucks need good young defencemen, not more skill forwards, though I guess it depends on who we lose if JR actually decides to sell.

 

[John Mandalorian]

So in response to losing Mackinnon the avs will essentially commit suicide by acquiring Toews? What terrible speculation.

* might

This is why he's an insider.

I wonder if the Avs might be interested in adding a depth player who might well be a useful addition for the medium term.... thinking specifically of Dvorak, who'd be a useful 2/3C once McK is back but might also help fill the gap in the meantime. I guess cap-wise this only works if McK is out long-term.

Too many empty calories.

 

[Wandering Cynic]

No team on planet earth would trade Byram for a UFA.

I still think 1st and Newhook would get it done albeit Vancouver needing more D

Which is exactly why a trade between the Avs and Canucks won't happen.

Teams will definitely offer more than Newhook and a 1st.

I doubt it.

It's not been Carolina's MO to deal premium assets for a rental. Under Dundon/Wadell/Tuslky they just haven't done it.

Carolina will make the move if they feel as though they are ready for a cup run. 2C is the biggest hole on the team right now. The Avs are a super conservative team when it comes to trading assets, and yet they made significant moves at the deadline last year in order to win the cup.

 

[PAZ]

I’d say there’s a very, very low chance Horvat gets traded to Colorado. There’s only two situations that I can think of, which are:

a) Canucks overplayed their hand and concedes to whatever Sakic’s max offer was
B) Horvat is willing to sign a discounted long-term extension (i.e 7 yr x 7 mil deal)

Neither I see actually happening. I expect Avs walk away with a player like Toews, Hayes /w retention, Schmaltz, etc.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I like guys like Newhook but i doubt they can be dealt…. Jsut think LA such a better fit with their surplus’s of d men

I could totally see Colorado moving Newhook + 1st

They are reigning champions and with Horvat would be well situated for a true challenge at the repeat.

I wouldn’t say this is the specific deal Vancouver should take. I think value wise it’s the ballpark area. As much as Vancouver needs D I think they should grab the best deal prospect wise. They can draft another D.

 

[TheBeard]

How about a first, Girard and Newhook for Timo and Reimer?

 

[bossram]

Thats true but its also true that MOs should change if a team is a so called cup contender but havent been out of the 2nd round in the last 3 seasons.

Um yeah, sure. "Anything could happen".

But there hasn't been any evidence with how Carolina runs their club that they would go big-game hunting after a rental. They haven't done it. It's not like they weren't considered contenders last season, and they didn't do it then.

Carolina will make the move if they feel as though they are ready for a cup run. 2C is the biggest hole on the team right now. The Avs are a super conservative team when it comes to trading assets, and yet they made significant moves at the deadline last year in order to win the cup.

Again, the Canes have been considered contenders for a few seasons now and have not made a big rental addition at the trade deadline. I doubt it happens now.

Calling the Avs conservative...a team that traded major roster pieces to retool prior to last season's trade deadline...is a take lmao.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Um yeah, sure. "Anything could happen".

But there hasn't been any evidence with how Carolina runs their club that they would go big-game hunting after a rental. They haven't done it. It's not like they weren't considered contenders last season, and they didn't do it then.

Again, the Canes have been considered contenders for a few seasons now and have not made a big rental addition at the trade deadline. I doubt it happens now.

Calling the Avs conservative...a team that traded major roster pieces to retool prior to last season's trade deadline...is a take lmao.

I know, 'the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour' and you may well be right, but if Carolina doesn't invest in today at some point they are going to miss their window.

 

[AslanRH]

I'd rather just leave this season to the fates and see what there is on the farm.
Maybe make some deals that more resemble deck chair shuffling in the tweeners/prospects.

If the team is still in the playoffs near the deadline, then look at rentals.