MacKinnon has 150 points in his last 82 games

[Video Nasty]

-In 2010/11 he was on pace for 132 points before getting injured 41 games into the season
-In 2011/12 he was on pace for 138 points before getting injured 22 games into the season
-in 2012/13 he was on pace for 127 points before getting injured 36 games into the season and still won the Pearson

Time to debunk the myth that relies on misinformation again.

1. He was on pace for 134 points in 79 games in 2006-2007 through 59 team games and finished with 120. Pace doesn’t mean shit.

2. He wasn’t injured after 22 games. He was held out the first 20, had 12 points in 8 games, then got injured again, and came back after three months.

3. It was a 48 game season. He was “on pace” for 75 points.

As sad as it is, as much as we try, we can’t play pretend and project out three 130 point campaigns. Especially not when he lost clean during the period leading up to it, and never won a scoring race again after beating out injured weak top competition in 2013-2014.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

i think the quality of his teammates is much lower because the oilers front office has saddled the team with bad contracts and poor drafting/development.

The quality of on-ice teammates for McDavid are better than Crosby has had.

 

[Regal]

This is interesting too. Gretzky was robbed that year (1980), not from Art Ross as the tiebreaker rule is the rule....though his season was more impressive in my mind than Dionne's simply due to age. He was absolutely robbed of the Calder by a stupid, stupid rule. Gretzky, starting the year as an 18 year old, isn't eligible for rookie of the year because he played as a 17 year old in the WHL.....meanwhile you have Forsberg, Selanne, Alfredsson, Panarin and Makarov winning when starting at the ages of 21, 22, 23, 24 and 31 respectively after playing years of pro hockey in Europe.

Anyway, the real interesting thing as well: have a look at NHL.com stats for these years:

1979/80:

1. Gretzky - 79gp, 51g, 137pts
2. Dionne - 81gp, 53g, 137pts

1994/95:

1. Lindros - 46gp, 29g, 70pts
2. Jagr - 48gp, 32g, 70pts

2009/10:

1. Sedin - 82gp, 29g, 112pts
2. Ovechkin - 72gp, 50g, 109pts
3. Crosby - 81gp, 51g, 109pts

So, NHL.com shows Gretzky and Lindros as #1 in points and Ovechkin as #2, ahead of Crosby at #3..all because of games played as being lower for them, but in each case, Dionne, Jagr and Crosby scored more goals.....so they would win the Art Ross due to tiebreaker (for Crosby if Sedin didn't exist)....why does NHL.com show it this way? I get showing it that way during the season, but by the end you should show it the way it would appear based on tie-breaker rules.

Nothing should be inferred from the NHL.com stats page really. It’s just how the coders have sorted the data set. If you search for a year or set of years, you’ll see that it sorts by both GP and points initially, which is why both columns are highlighted in blue. If you then sort by a different way, such as assists, then click back to points, only the points column will be highlighted, and the tie breaker will no longer be games played. If you do this for 94-95, Lindros comes up initially, then Jagr moves to number 1 after clicking on assists then back to points. The same thing happens in 79-80. Weirdly, if you do it once, it won’t reload the games played filter unless you go back to the stats page through the home link.

Here’s a couple screen shots to show what I’m talking about:

It’s possible the data is set up so that when you sort by points the Art Ross winner automatically comes up, but other than that I can’t figure out what they’re using to sort it. So if you go down the list on 94-95 you can see that Fedorov, Hull, Nieuwendyk and Forsberg all tied with 50 points. But their seasons aren’t sorted by games played, goals, or even alphabetically.

Long story short, I wouldn’t put any stock into what NHL.com does in terms of determining how to sort seasons.

 

[The Panther]

[Crosby] lead the league in PPG for 5 seasons in a row...

No... no, he didn't.

Crosby led the NHL in PPG in:
-- 2006-07
-- 2012-13 (albeit he played only 36 games out of 48)
-- 2013-14
-- 2014-15

In 2010-11, Crosby played only 50% of the games, so there's no way this can be counted as leading the NHL in anything. Of course, you give a Crosby-level player the benefit of the doubt in that he certainly would have put up a large number of points in that season, but there's certainly no guarantees about leading in anything.

Needless to say, leading in PPG four times (or three, if you don't want to count a 36-game season) is hugely impressive and speaks for itself. On the other hand, it's not like he has lapped the field in any full season:

2006-07: 1.52 PPG to 1.39 (2nd) -- with five players at 1.30+ this season
2013-14: 1.30 PPG to (teammate's) 1.20 (2nd)
2014-15: 1.09 PPG to 1.08 (2nd) -- he's negligibly above two probable non-Hall of Famers (Seguin and Benn)

I guess 2006-07 is the most statistically impressive of these (much of this due to PP points). 2014 is also impressive. 2015 not so much in legendary player terms.

And yes, I know that Crosby did lap the field in PPG in 2012-13 (1.56 PPG to 1.25), but, again, that's in 36 games played out of 48. That's a very short season to make a conclusive argument for anyone, let alone one who played less than half a season's worth of games.

Anyway, point being: Crosby certainly never led the NHL in PPG for five years in a row. (Where are you getting this info from...?)

 

[daver]

Anyway, point being: Crosby certainly never led the NHL in PPG for five years in a row. (Where are you getting this info from...?)

The same source you used to try to dispute a statistical fact?

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby's Top 10 Point finishes: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 6

MacKinnon's Top 10 Point finishes: 2, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8


REMOVE DUPLICATES:

Crosby: 1,1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 6

MacKinnon: 5, 5, 5, 8, 8



Crosby's Top 10 PPG finishes: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1*, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, * 22 games

MacKinnon's Top 10 PPG finishes: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10


REMOVE DUPLICATES:

Crosby: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

MacKinnon: 7, 10


Noone should look at those numbers and wonder if there is anything else other than a clearly superior resume that needs deeper digging.

You missed crosbys 5th, 10th, 10th finish

 

[Toby91ca]

No... no, he didn't.

Crosby led the NHL in PPG in:
-- 2006-07
-- 2012-13 (albeit he played only 36 games out of 48)
-- 2013-14
-- 2014-15

In 2010-11, Crosby played only 50% of the games, so there's no way this can be counted as leading the NHL in anything. Of course, you give a Crosby-level player the benefit of the doubt in that he certainly would have put up a large number of points in that season, but there's certainly no guarantees about leading in anything.

Needless to say, leading in PPG four times (or three, if you don't want to count a 36-game season) is hugely impressive and speaks for itself. On the other hand, it's not like he has lapped the field in any full season:

2006-07: 1.52 PPG to 1.39 (2nd) -- with five players at 1.30+ this season
2013-14: 1.30 PPG to (teammate's) 1.20 (2nd)
2014-15: 1.09 PPG to 1.08 (2nd) -- he's negligibly above two probable non-Hall of Famers (Seguin and Benn)

I guess 2006-07 is the most statistically impressive of these (much of this due to PP points). 2014 is also impressive. 2015 not so much in legendary player terms.

And yes, I know that Crosby did lap the field in PPG in 2012-13 (1.56 PPG to 1.25), but, again, that's in 36 games played out of 48. That's a very short season to make a conclusive argument for anyone, let alone one who played less than half a season's worth of games.

Anyway, point being: Crosby certainly never led the NHL in PPG for five years in a row. (Where are you getting this info from...?)

No, he led the league in PPG 5 yrs in a row…you can write as many paragraphs as you want, but he led in 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15.

 

[Video Nasty]

4 more points tonight. Puts him up to 160 points in his past 87 games. That’s actual performance and he has played all 87 team games—no need to project out pace nonsense to illustrate how great he has been.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Looking to pass 153 n establish himself as the best peak of his generation.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

I mean does it really matter who is better than who?

We know Crosby is an all time great and the simple fact that there is a lengthy discussion comparing MacKinnon to him is enough evidence of the level of absolute stud MacKinnon is at.

Some of you are to obsessed with how right you are and resort to carving up the tiniest of stats or otherwise.

MacKinnon is one of the best players of his generation, that’s enough of an accomplishment.

Although since some of you can’t help yourself, don’t let me stop you from continuing.

 

[FinLurker]

No, he led the league in PPG 5 yrs in a row…you can write as many paragraphs as you want, but he led in 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15.

And Oilers legend Risto Jalo's 1985-86 PPG season was instrumental for Oilers success. He had three points in three games.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Crosby's Top 10 Point finishes: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 6

MacKinnon's Top 10 Point finishes: 2, 5, 5, 5, 8, 8


REMOVE DUPLICATES:

Crosby: 1,1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 6

MacKinnon: 5, 5, 5, 8, 8



Crosby's Top 10 PPG finishes: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1*, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, * 22 games

MacKinnon's Top 10 PPG finishes: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 10


REMOVE DUPLICATES:

Crosby: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

MacKinnon: 7, 10


Noone should look at those numbers and wonder if there is anything else other than a clearly superior resume that needs deeper digging.

This is the most accurate way to look at things IMO because the raw point totals between the eras in which Crosby and MacKinnon peaked are drastically different.

 

[The Panther]

No, he led the league in PPG 5 yrs in a row…you can write as many paragraphs as you want, but he led in 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15.

Nobody cares about a player's PPG if that player played 22 of 82 games. That's ridiculous.

 

[Video Nasty]

We know Crosby is an all time great and the simple fact that there is a lengthy discussion comparing MacKinnon to him is enough evidence of the level of absolute stud MacKinnon is at.

Some of you are to obsessed with how right you are and resort to carving up the tiniest of stats or otherwise.

For nearly a decade and a half—and counting—Crosby fans have used and continued to use sample sizes that were both tiny and stitched together over multiple seasons, i.e. the famous 159 points in 99 games over 3 partial seasons that has been repeated so much, I don’t even have to look up the numbers.

They can suck it up and deal with people marveling how someone like MacKinnon has sustained a higher level of individual play for a longer uninterrupted stretch during one of those smaller sample sizes.

 

[Fatass]

Imo Nate Mac is the best forward in hockey. He combines elite skills with a power forwards’ stoutness. He scores in every way. He makes plays with his hands and his feet. He hits. He fights. He’s hard on and off pucks. He’s the best right now. He’s like a cross between Iginla and McDavid. Not quite as good in the role each of those two player, but put it all together and he’s better than both.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Best player in the world at the moment easily.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

For nearly a decade and a half—and counting—Crosby fans have used and continued to use sample sizes that were both tiny and stitched together over multiple seasons, i.e. the famous 159 points in 99 games over 3 partial seasons that has been repeated so much, I don’t even have to look up the numbers.

They can suck it up and deal with people marveling how someone like MacKinnon has sustained a higher level of individual play for a longer uninterrupted stretch during one of those smaller sample sizes.

Nate is my favourite player since he came into the nhl and I never once thought he was a disappointment like so many of the stat watchers would say so no need to convince me.

I’m simply saying it’s a ridiculous argument to be holding as it’s all a matter of opinion no matter how many stats are carved up and the fact that it’s even a discussion is really all anyone needs to verify that MacKinnon is indeed an absolute stud of a hockey player.

Best player in the world at the moment.

 

[Video Nasty]

Nate is my favourite player since he came into the nhl and I never once thought he was a disappointment like so many of the stat watchers would say so no need to convince me.

I’m simply saying it’s a ridiculous argument to be holding as it’s all a matter of opinion no matter how many stats are carved up and the fact that it’s even a discussion is really all anyone needs to verify that MacKinnon is indeed an absolute stud of a hockey player.

Best player in the world at the moment.

Thanks for the clarification.

He’s certainly playing like it. Exciting to follow and I hope we’re in the midst of witnessing another 150 point season.

 

[Miri]

What's unreal is the fact a team has a player that just put up 150pts in his last 82 games and he's not even the teams best player.

McDeterrent is not with Avs anymore, so not sure who are you refering to

 

[Duodenum]

Guy is an absolute nuclear weapon.

A runaway freight train.

An unstoppable object.

An immovable force.

 

[authentic]

For nearly a decade and a half—and counting—Crosby fans have used and continued to use sample sizes that were both tiny and stitched together over multiple seasons, i.e. the famous 159 points in 99 games over 3 partial seasons that has been repeated so much, I don’t even have to look up the numbers.

They can suck it up and deal with people marveling how someone like MacKinnon has sustained a higher level of individual play for a longer uninterrupted stretch during one of those smaller sample sizes.

Imo Nate Mac is the best forward in hockey. He combines elite skills with a power forwards’ stoutness. He scores in every way. He makes plays with his hands and his feet. He hits. He fights. He’s hard on and off pucks. He’s the best right now. He’s like a cross between Iginla and McDavid. Not quite as good in the role each of those two player, but put it all together and he’s better than both.

Yeah he’s been looking like the best since last season IMO and comparisons to Crosby are not unwarranted, but while we can’t just take Crosby’s best 99 game stretch from partial seasons and say that’s how good he was we can’t simply write those games off like they never happened either, so combining them with the full seasons in his prime is the best way to go about it.

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Either way you slice it MacKinnon is just not nearly as dominant over any number of games, 20-40-80-200-400-600 etc., best playoff run, 2nd best, 3rd best or their entire playoff careers. Crosby beats him every step of the way, and that’s no slight to MacKinnon either it’s just that Crosby is more comparable to McDavid.

 

[Toby91ca]

And Oilers legend Risto Jalo's 1985-86 PPG season was instrumental for Oilers success. He had three points in three games.

You’re right…no difference I guess

 

[SniperOnTheWing]

Mackinnon will end up being one of those guys that deserved way more hardware but just happened to also be in the league with the likes of McDavid. The margin of error is so slim when McDavid is healthy and cooking that missing even a handful of games to an injury makes it almost impossible to catch him in a scoring race. His stardom makes it even harder for anyone else to win Hart’s.

Not to mention guys like Kucherov, Draisaitl, Kaprizov, Pastrnak, etc who are all capable of lighting the league on fire and winning trophies.

I really, really hope MacKinnon can capitalize on this great start and win an Art Ross. He’s got a Hart (probably should have two) and a Lindsay now so that’s good. And of course a Cup. An Art would be the cherry on top. If he can manage another 82 game season I like his chances.

 

[Offtheboard412]

Mackinnon will end up being one of those guys that deserved way more hardware but just happened to also be in the league with the likes of McDavid. The margin of error is so slim when McDavid is healthy and cooking that missing even a handful of games to an injury makes it almost impossible to catch him in a scoring race. His stardom makes it even harder for anyone else to win Hart’s.

Not to mention guys like Kucherov, Draisaitl, Kaprizov, Pastrnak, etc who are all capable of lighting the league on fire and winning trophies.

I really, really hope MacKinnon can capitalize on this great start and win an Art Ross. He’s got a Hart (probably should have two) and a Lindsay now so that’s good. And of course a Cup. An Art would be the cherry on top. If he can manage another 82 game season I like his chances.

You can remove McDavid out of every season of his career and Mackinnon would still have not won an Art Ross. Missing games has always been extremely detrimental to winning the scoring title, McDavid or no McDavid. Missing more than 5 games is almost always a death sentence, unless the player that misses those 5 games is miles ahead of the pack that year. I don't say this as a diss on Mackinnon, but injuries have hurt him more than any external factors when it comes to scoring title and Harts.

 

[Jaytee]

As a fan of a rival team in Colorado’s division, there are no two players who scare me as much when they’re on the ice together than Mackinnon and Makar.
What was special about the Jets-Avalanche game three nights ago is that it featured the best forward in the world, the best defenseman in the world, and the best goalie in the world. On that night, the best goalie won.