LW/RW Denis Gurianov (2015, 12th, DAL)

[TkachuckNotTkaczuk]

Because I look at the stats. Prove to me that Russians that leave Russia early become great players. Who are those guys?

The "ultimate dream" NHL is also something that should end. The NHL is an arrogant regional league that hurts the development of hockey in the world.

I don't care a bit for the wellbeing of the NHL as long as they treat prospects like they do and hurt international competition.

I do care for the fate of russian players. For Guryanov to leave at this age will probably result in a major decline and he will be thrown away like a used tissue. That is is just about to happen to Nichushkin btw who was just as stupid as Guyanov.

Wow, that is a mouthful of accusations.

First off, why would it be in the NHL's interest to hurt development of hockey the world over. Let's look at the Olympics for example, they have gone so that they can showcase better hockey to the rest of the world. In the process shutting down the league for 3 plus weeks. The NHL is not a regional league, yes it is in NA but has about 25% of it's players from outside NA. Canada as early as the 1990's had about 90% of all NHL jobs, this means the NHL has grown the game enough in Europe and Russia that more kids are playing which equality more players making it from those countries. The same is happening in the U.S. which now makes up 25% of all players in the league and are having a player from the great hockey state of Arizona getting drafted #1 overall, that is from growing the game.

The NHL all has working transfer agreements with all leagues in Europe, except for Russia who will not sign one because they want inexcusably large transfer transfer fees.

The CHL is the best developmental league in the world. It puts through more players to the NHL than all other leagues combined. That s because they develop their players properly. The kids are introduced to a larger amount of games than anywhere else in the world which will only increase their skill level and get them ready for the NHL, IF and only IF they are good enough.

The CHL has a great plan in place for all their players to go to university after they have played in the league, something that NO other league in the world has in place. This is a great program which allows these kids to get a degree should they not make the show. Now kids playing in the VHL or MHL, are there opportunities like this after they stop playing?

If Guyanov is good enough as a player he would step onto a team in the CHL and play 20-25 minutes a night and play some 68 games. Plus practice each day which is a hell of a lot better for development than 5-10 minutes a night and what 30-40 or so games? And now, a very large amount of CHL teams are either owned by, run by or coached by former NHLERS, this gives them first hand knowledge and access to some of the best people in the world who want NOTHING MORE than to see them succeed. Can you say that the MHL and VHL give kids access to past top league players, guys who aren't doing it for the pay cheque but more the love of the game? Is the quality of coaching and dedication to the betterment of the person the same, I would think not or the influx of kids to NA would stop.

Do you not understand, or is your bias that strong that you cannot see the vast amount of kids coming out of Europe to play, not only in the CHL but also USHL and the college ranks? That is because the opportunities are there to get better, get playing time and move forward with a game they love. They also get access to free pot high school education. They also get to play with kids their own age which is best for developing on the ice but also off the ice as a person. This is preferred rather than throwing them onto say a KHL team where you have a 17 year old kid hanging out with people up to twice their age, these are kids, they should grow with others their age. These kids become lifelong friends as they spend a lot of time with each other be it on the bus, plane, on the ice and school.

Now then, let's compare apples to apples here. The most highly skilled Russian have stayed and played in Russia for a few reasons, pay cheque, ice time guarantees, family and I hate to say it but threats by the Russian Hockey Federation about future roles with the Russian National team. The prospects who are not top flight are not given the ice time in Russia against better competition that they would get over in NA and thus it is there that their growth is stunted. Kids this age need ice time to develop, ot riding the pine getting 5 minutes a game or up in the press box.

Now, the biggest problem I have with your statement is you say you can tell that they are hurt because you "stat watch". That is a very common mistake by too many people, stats don't mean that the kids are falling behind in their development. It is a very different game over here, one that uses systems and a much smaller ice.

Nichushkin is not a bust, he has been sidetracked by injuries and is slowly developing into an all around game. He needs to stop complaining in the media and put in the work, he simply cannot be given minutes in the best league in the world because he asks for them, he needs to work like everyone else. And last time I checked this kid was developed in you grand Russian leagues, had he come over to play in the CHL he would have had less adjustment to the NHL as style of play is very similar. Jonathan Drouin, drafted the same year, drafted 3rd overall has played less games and was given less minutes than Nichushkin. Because he too expected to be gifted minutes and not needing to commit to a 200ft game, was sent down to the AHL where he pouted and held out thus getting suspended. It looks like he has come to his senses and realized it was he who had to change, not management, not coaches and is now succeeding. Nichushkin may have burnt a bridge with Dallas and may need a change of scenery now.

Long post but I feel your bias is not based upon reality but maybe based on something else?

 

[WhatWhat]

Wow, that is a mouthful of accusations.

First off, why would it be in the NHL's interest to hurt development of hockey the world over. Let's look at the Olympics for example, they have gone so that they can showcase better hockey to the rest of the world. In the process shutting down the league for 3 plus weeks. The NHL is not a regional league, yes it is in NA but has about 25% of it's players from outside NA. Canada as early as the 1990's had about 90% of all NHL jobs, this means the NHL has grown the game enough in Europe and Russia that more kids are playing which equality more players making it from those countries. The same is happening in the U.S. which now makes up 25% of all players in the league and are having a player from the great hockey state of Arizona getting drafted #1 overall, that is from growing the game.

The NHL all has working transfer agreements with all leagues in Europe, except for Russia who will not sign one because they want inexcusably large transfer transfer fees.

The CHL is the best developmental league in the world. It puts through more players to the NHL than all other leagues combined. That s because they develop their players properly. The kids are introduced to a larger amount of games than anywhere else in the world which will only increase their skill level and get them ready for the NHL, IF and only IF they are good enough.

The CHL has a great plan in place for all their players to go to university after they have played in the league, something that NO other league in the world has in place. This is a great program which allows these kids to get a degree should they not make the show. Now kids playing in the VHL or MHL, are there opportunities like this after they stop playing?

If Guyanov is good enough as a player he would step onto a team in the CHL and play 20-25 minutes a night and play some 68 games. Plus practice each day which is a hell of a lot better for development than 5-10 minutes a night and what 30-40 or so games? And now, a very large amount of CHL teams are either owned by, run by or coached by former NHLERS, this gives them first hand knowledge and access to some of the best people in the world who want NOTHING MORE than to see them succeed. Can you say that the MHL and VHL give kids access to past top league players, guys who aren't doing it for the pay cheque but more the love of the game? Is the quality of coaching and dedication to the betterment of the person the same, I would think not or the influx of kids to NA would stop.

Do you not understand, or is your bias that strong that you cannot see the vast amount of kids coming out of Europe to play, not only in the CHL but also USHL and the college ranks? That is because the opportunities are there to get better, get playing time and move forward with a game they love. They also get access to free pot high school education. They also get to play with kids their own age which is best for developing on the ice but also off the ice as a person. This is preferred rather than throwing them onto say a KHL team where you have a 17 year old kid hanging out with people up to twice their age, these are kids, they should grow with others their age. These kids become lifelong friends as they spend a lot of time with each other be it on the bus, plane, on the ice and school.

Now then, let's compare apples to apples here. The most highly skilled Russian have stayed and played in Russia for a few reasons, pay cheque, ice time guarantees, family and I hate to say it but threats by the Russian Hockey Federation about future roles with the Russian National team. The prospects who are not top flight are not given the ice time in Russia against better competition that they would get over in NA and thus it is there that their growth is stunted. Kids this age need ice time to develop, ot riding the pine getting 5 minutes a game or up in the press box.

Now, the biggest problem I have with your statement is you say you can tell that they are hurt because you "stat watch". That is a very common mistake by too many people, stats don't mean that the kids are falling behind in their development. It is a very different game over here, one that uses systems and a much smaller ice.

Nichushkin is not a bust, he has been sidetracked by injuries and is slowly developing into an all around game. He needs to stop complaining in the media and put in the work, he simply cannot be given minutes in the best league in the world because he asks for them, he needs to work like everyone else. And last time I checked this kid was developed in you grand Russian leagues, had he come over to play in the CHL he would have had less adjustment to the NHL as style of play is very similar. Jonathan Drouin, drafted the same year, drafted 3rd overall has played less games and was given less minutes than Nichushkin. Because he too expected to be gifted minutes and not needing to commit to a 200ft game, was sent down to the AHL where he pouted and held out thus getting suspended. It looks like he has come to his senses and realized it was he who had to change, not management, not coaches and is now succeeding. Nichushkin may have burnt a bridge with Dallas and may need a change of scenery now.

Long post but I feel your bias is not based upon reality but maybe based on something else?

The dude vented after a frustrating penalty filled loss. That story was blown way out of proportion. He is happy in Dallas and he responds well to less minutes or getting the odd scratch. No bridges were burned

 

[Caser]

Wow, that is a mouthful of accusations.

Sorry to interrupt into your discussion, but you're drawing some strange accusations here yourself:

The NHL all has working transfer agreements with all leagues in Europe, except for Russia who will not sign one because they want inexcusably large transfer transfer fees.

Some numbers along with the definition of 'inexcusably' are needed here.

The CHL is the best developmental league in the world. It puts through more players to the NHL than all other leagues combined. That s because they develop their players properly. The kids are introduced to a larger amount of games than anywhere else in the world which will only increase their skill level and get them ready for the NHL, IF and only IF they are good enough.

So you're saying so far Russian players that have gone there were not talented enough comparable to the ones who stayed?

The CHL has a great plan in place for all their players to go to university after they have played in the league, something that NO other league in the world has in place. This is a great program which allows these kids to get a degree should they not make the show. Now kids playing in the VHL or MHL, are there opportunities like this after they stop playing?

A lot of players in Russia get their degree while playing in MHL/VHL/KHL, it's totally not an issue here.

If Guyanov is good enough as a player he would step onto a team in the CHL and play 20-25 minutes a night and play some 68 games. Plus practice each day which is a hell of a lot better for development than 5-10 minutes a night and what 30-40 or so games? And now, a very large amount of CHL teams are either owned by, run by or coached by former NHLERS, this gives them first hand knowledge and access to some of the best people in the world who want NOTHING MORE than to see them succeed. Can you say that the MHL and VHL give kids access to past top league players, guys who aren't doing it for the pay cheque but more the love of the game? Is the quality of coaching and dedication to the betterment of the person the same, I would think not or the influx of kids to NA would stop.

Yes, I can - usually coaches that are working there have a solid player experience.

Do you not understand, or is your bias that strong that you cannot see the vast amount of kids coming out of Europe to play, not only in the CHL but also USHL and the college ranks? That is because the opportunities are there to get better, get playing time and move forward with a game they love. They also get access to free pot high school education. They also get to play with kids their own age which is best for developing on the ice but also off the ice as a person. This is preferred rather than throwing them onto say a KHL team where you have a 17 year old kid hanging out with people up to twice their age, these are kids, they should grow with others their age. These kids become lifelong friends as they spend a lot of time with each other be it on the bus, plane, on the ice and school.

Very arguable, at least Auston Mathews might disagree here. Along with kids who have jumped to AHL from USHL btw.

Now then, let's compare apples to apples here. The most highly skilled Russian have stayed and played in Russia for a few reasons, pay cheque, ice time guarantees, family and I hate to say it but threats by the Russian Hockey Federation about future roles with the Russian National team. The prospects who are not top flight are not given the ice time in Russia against better competition that they would get over in NA and thus it is there that their growth is stunted. Kids this age need ice time to develop, ot riding the pine getting 5 minutes a game or up in the press box.

I hate to say, but that's a pretty false accusation - the only 'threat' was the limitation on the U18 NT level due to the launch of the Russia NTDP.

 

[93LEAFS]

Very arguable, at least Auston Mathews might disagree here. Along with kids who have jumped to AHL from USHL btw.

Two things, Guryanov is not an Auston Matthews level prospect. 95% of the kids who go through UNDP are probably best served by an OHL or NCAA season the only obvious exceptions would be Matthews, Eichel and Kessel, there is a strong argument for Kane, but even if he could of been drafted in his 17 year old year he would of been put in the OHL or directed to the NCAA.

If Guryanov was getting the ice-time in the KHL it would probably be best to leave him over there, but in this case they were often giving him between 4-10 minutes a game. At that point he either belongs in the MHL full time over getting 4th line minutes. In this case, the CHL may be the best option because he should be guaranteed ice-time. Now if he's AHL ready send him there, but if not, it may be best to have him rebuild his confidence and adapt to the NA style game at the junior level. Everyone here will agree after having MHL success and not getting KHL time, that spending his 19 year old season in the CHL and a WJC trip did at worst not damage Kucherov, and at best helped him become a better player. The best option for the Stars at this point may be to attempt that development program.

 

[Caser]

Two things, Guryanov is not an Auston Matthews level prospect. 95% of the kids who go through UNDP are probably best served by an OHL or NCAA season the only obvious exceptions would be Matthews, Eichel and Kessel, there is a strong argument for Kane, but even if he could of been drafted in his 17 year old year he would of been put in the OHL or directed to the NCAA.

If Guryanov was getting the ice-time in the KHL it would probably be best to leave him over there, but in this case they were often giving him between 4-10 minutes a game. At that point he either belongs in the MHL full time over getting 4th line minutes. In this case, the CHL may be the best option because he should be guaranteed ice-time. Now if he's AHL ready send him there, but if not, it may be best to have him rebuild his confidence and adapt to the NA style game at the junior level. Everyone here will agree after having MHL success and not getting KHL time, that spending his 19 year old season in the CHL and a WJC trip did at worst not damage Kucherov, and at best helped him become a better player. The best option for the Stars at this point may be to attempt that development program.

I'm not satisfied with his lack of icetime too, just I'm not sure if getting back to playing with kids would be good for such physically gifted prospect like Guryanov. In my opinion, the best option for Guryanov for now would be playing in VHL, but there is an issue - Lada doesn't have a VHL affiliated team currently.

 

[WhatWhat]

I'm not satisfied with his lack of icetime too, just I'm not sure if getting back to playing with kids would be good for such physically gifted prospect like Guryanov. In my opinion, the best option for Guryanov for now would be playing in VHL, but there is an issue - Lada doesn't have a VHL affiliated team currently.

Seeing how Dallas opted to have Honka in the AHL at 18, I would assume their plan for Guryanov is to play there too. So I dont think you have to worry about him playing against kids

 

[serp]

Plan A is very likely AHL to get him playing big minutes with other Stars prospects at his age group but with and against men . If he's not ready for that CHL might be an option but Dallas has an ECHL affiliate too in the Idaho Steelheads where they have prospects play sometimes as well. That would be much more likely than junior.

 

[malkinfan]

I'm not satisfied with his lack of icetime too, just I'm not sure if getting back to playing with kids would be good for such physically gifted prospect like Guryanov. In my opinion, the best option for Guryanov for now would be playing in VHL, but there is an issue - Lada doesn't have a VHL affiliated team currently.

I agree, a lot of bone heads on this board even the Russian guys discredit this league. They think top prospects should be in the KHL. But reality is 17-18 year olds belong in the MHL, most 19-21 y/o's belong in the VHL if they are a top talent. What is wrong with it? It did terrific things for many Russian players best example being Nikita Gusev. Its a stepping stone between juniors and KHL where a top prospect can be given 15-20 minutes a game unlike most KHL teams which can afford a guy 10 minutes a game tops/maybe if he is very good. The league is a better option than the AHL, which is a system oriented league. The system of the parent club is driven into these guys, so it may not be a bad option to get a mature prospect acquainted with an NHL teams system but no way in hell I would send a 19 y/o developing skilled guy like Guryanov.. only to become the next Kokhlachev.. Develop skill, skill, skill before coming over and learning systems. IMO Nichushkin could have used one more KHL year before coming over, whats the hurry, he still a baby?

 

[KarIgo87]

I agree, a lot of bone heads on this board even the Russian guys discredit this league. They think top prospects should be in the KHL. But reality is 17-18 year olds belong in the MHL, most 19-21 y/o's belong in the VHL if they are a top talent. What is wrong with it? It did terrific things for many Russian players best example being Nikita Gusev. Its a stepping stone between juniors and KHL where a top prospect can be given 15-20 minutes a game unlike most KHL teams which can afford a guy 10 minutes a game tops/maybe if he is very good. The league is a better option than the AHL, which is a system oriented league. The system of the parent club is driven into these guys, so it may not be a bad option to get a mature prospect acquainted with an NHL teams system but no way in hell I would send a 19 y/o developing skilled guy like Guryanov.. only to become the next Kokhlachev.. Develop skill, skill, skill before coming over and learning systems. IMO Nichushkin could have used one more KHL year before coming over, whats the hurry, he still a baby?

VHL doesn't want to be a farm league for KHL like AHL to NHL. VHL teams' main goal is Bratina cup, not developing prospects. So most of KHL affiliated teams in VHL are pretty reluctant when it comes to taking some young kids. If they can be useful then fine, but if not they won't nurture them. Some teams that have close connection with KHL can afford nurturing but most of them can't. Besides a lot of KHL clubs are pretty poor and barely can afford their own existence let alone keeping a farm team. So not every KHL team has a farm club.
KHL is going to launch new farm league - HPL (Hockey Premier League). But again only half of KHL teams will have their farm clubs there. So the rich get richer all over again.

 

[malkinfan]

VHL doesn't want to be a farm league for KHL like AHL to NHL. VHL teams' main goal is Bratina cup, not developing prospects. So most of KHL affiliated teams in VHL are pretty reluctant when it comes to taking some young kids. If they can be useful then fine, but if not they won't nurture them. Some teams that have close connection with KHL can afford nurturing but most of them can't. Besides a lot of KHL clubs are pretty poor and barely can afford their own existence let alone keeping a farm team. So not every KHL team has a farm club.
KHL is going to launch new farm league - HPL (Hockey Premier League). But again only half of KHL teams will have their farm clubs there. So the rich get richer all over again.

Yes this is true point. One stupid thing is creating whole new league though. Its like reinventing the wheel. Why not just add existing farm teams to the VHL(or simply convert the VHL teams which are moving to the new farm league)? The league can have some affiliated and some independent teams, it only makes too much sense. Also, for the KHL affiliated teams, I don't think that most teams can field a competitive team at say a VHL level with only prospects from its own club.... So why not share a farm team with another club? I believe 2 smart teams already have created this arrangement. Hopefully common sense can find the hockey hierarchy in Russia who are behind the project.

 

[Atas2000]

Its the league with the most high end talent

So? Why should it stay that way? It is also the most arrogant league that hurts internationalhockey with it's escapades.

and the league that pays the most by far.

Not by far.

Why on earth would that not be a goal to reach for a young hockey star?

Because it's foreign for starters. Life is not about money alone. Just because most young players at the time think te same way doesn't mean they are right.

And why in the world should I be happy with star players leaving?

As for Russians that leave Russia early and become great players, you do know there are only 20 Russians in the league right now with more than 50 career points. Of those Semin came over at 19, Kucherov came over at 19, Ovechkin at 20 only because at 19 there was a lockout, Malkin at 20, Anisimov at 19.

Syomin, Ovechkin, Malkin, Anisimov do not count. There was no KHL as they left. Kucherov hasn't played in minor leagues for any significant time- Obviously he is the best of 2 or 3 drafts(just like Ovechkin and Malkin btw). The trouble mostly begind when young Russiand end up in the CHL/AHL system insead of the MHL/KHL.

Do I have to make a list again of players since th 1991 birth year?

And the reason for only 20 Russians having over 50 pts in the NHL IS that they leave early and become useless.

It actually appears that many of the curent solid Russians left "early"

It appears you are wrong.

 

[serp]

He barely got minutes for Lada for crying out loud. Don't act like Lada didn't have a hand in him leaving and the big bad NHL team just robbed a little KHL team of a star.

 

[Captain Timo]

Man some of these Russian posters seem hurt. Ask most kids dreaming of a professional sports career, and they will tell you that they want to play in the best league possible. The best hockey league possible is the NHL, make no doubt about it.

 

[KarIgo87]

Broke his contract with Lada: http://www.sports.ru/hockey/1039921194.html
Seems like he's going to Texas. Good luck. This season was pretty bad in terms of development but it wasn't entirely Lada's fault. He was getting top-6 time and PP in the beginning of the season but he screwed up too many chances and was unlucky therefore lost some ice time. And he was taught to play defense as well, which killed his offense and confidence entirely it seems. They should've sent him down to MHL to regain his confidence and remember how to score goals but they didn't. Clearly he wasn't happy with his season and with advice of his agent I think he decided to break his contract.

 

[MardyBum]

Good for him and the Stars.

 

[Caser]

 

[kp61c]

another version of nuke, got all the tools but his iq'll be the death of him. that's one nuke too many. expect val to be shipped of this summer.

 

[Atas2000]

Wow, that is a mouthful of accusations.

First off, why would it be in the NHL's interest to hurt development of hockey the world over. Let's look at the Olympics for example, they have gone so that they can showcase better hockey to the rest of the world. In the process shutting down the league for 3 plus weeks. The NHL is not a regional league, yes it is in NA but has about 25% of it's players from outside NA. Canada as early as the 1990's had about 90% of all NHL jobs, this means the NHL has grown the game enough in Europe and Russia that more kids are playing which equality more players making it from those countries. The same is happening in the U.S. which now makes up 25% of all players in the league and are having a player from the great hockey state of Arizona getting drafted #1 overall, that is from growing the game.

The NHL all has working transfer agreements with all leagues in Europe, except for Russia who will not sign one because they want inexcusably large transfer transfer fees.

The CHL is the best developmental league in the world. It puts through more players to the NHL than all other leagues combined. That s because they develop their players properly. The kids are introduced to a larger amount of games than anywhere else in the world which will only increase their skill level and get them ready for the NHL, IF and only IF they are good enough.

The CHL has a great plan in place for all their players to go to university after they have played in the league, something that NO other league in the world has in place. This is a great program which allows these kids to get a degree should they not make the show. Now kids playing in the VHL or MHL, are there opportunities like this after they stop playing?

If Guyanov is good enough as a player he would step onto a team in the CHL and play 20-25 minutes a night and play some 68 games. Plus practice each day which is a hell of a lot better for development than 5-10 minutes a night and what 30-40 or so games? And now, a very large amount of CHL teams are either owned by, run by or coached by former NHLERS, this gives them first hand knowledge and access to some of the best people in the world who want NOTHING MORE than to see them succeed. Can you say that the MHL and VHL give kids access to past top league players, guys who aren't doing it for the pay cheque but more the love of the game? Is the quality of coaching and dedication to the betterment of the person the same, I would think not or the influx of kids to NA would stop.

Do you not understand, or is your bias that strong that you cannot see the vast amount of kids coming out of Europe to play, not only in the CHL but also USHL and the college ranks? That is because the opportunities are there to get better, get playing time and move forward with a game they love. They also get access to free pot high school education. They also get to play with kids their own age which is best for developing on the ice but also off the ice as a person. This is preferred rather than throwing them onto say a KHL team where you have a 17 year old kid hanging out with people up to twice their age, these are kids, they should grow with others their age. These kids become lifelong friends as they spend a lot of time with each other be it on the bus, plane, on the ice and school.

Now then, let's compare apples to apples here. The most highly skilled Russian have stayed and played in Russia for a few reasons, pay cheque, ice time guarantees, family and I hate to say it but threats by the Russian Hockey Federation about future roles with the Russian National team. The prospects who are not top flight are not given the ice time in Russia against better competition that they would get over in NA and thus it is there that their growth is stunted. Kids this age need ice time to develop, ot riding the pine getting 5 minutes a game or up in the press box.

Now, the biggest problem I have with your statement is you say you can tell that they are hurt because you "stat watch". That is a very common mistake by too many people, stats don't mean that the kids are falling behind in their development. It is a very different game over here, one that uses systems and a much smaller ice.

Nichushkin is not a bust, he has been sidetracked by injuries and is slowly developing into an all around game. He needs to stop complaining in the media and put in the work, he simply cannot be given minutes in the best league in the world because he asks for them, he needs to work like everyone else. And last time I checked this kid was developed in you grand Russian leagues, had he come over to play in the CHL he would have had less adjustment to the NHL as style of play is very similar. Jonathan Drouin, drafted the same year, drafted 3rd overall has played less games and was given less minutes than Nichushkin. Because he too expected to be gifted minutes and not needing to commit to a 200ft game, was sent down to the AHL where he pouted and held out thus getting suspended. It looks like he has come to his senses and realized it was he who had to change, not management, not coaches and is now succeeding. Nichushkin may have burnt a bridge with Dallas and may need a change of scenery now.

Long post but I feel your bias is not based upon reality but maybe based on something else?

Lengthy text, eh...

I have no bias. I do not accuse. Those are facts. You have a very simple bias. "Everything North America is good" that is(including those nonsensical 200ft quotes).

Te NHL is greatly inerested in hurting international hockey indirectly. The NHl wants to stay the only relevant place to be. They want to have theluxuryof the simple development approach: You do as you are told or we throw you out and ou have nowhere to go. The NHl is not willing to learnfrom the success and mistakes of the biggest sprt in the world - football. It's easier to shove a bad product down people's throats for the same money.

 

[Atas2000]

Another idiot is on the list.I don't know his name anymore. Theey probably need the whip by the FHR as they are unable to think properly themselves.

 

[BoDacious Horvat]

Another idiot is on the list.I don't know his name anymore. Theey probably need the whip by the FHR as they are unable to think properly themselves.

Man, calling a kid an idiot behind your computer screen for trying to better his own life and achieve his dreams is just... The bee's knees. I'm sure you're so much fun at parties

 

[serp]

another version of nuke, got all the tools but his iq'll be the death of him. that's one nuke too many. expect val to be shipped of this summer.

From what i remember Denis has a much better shot than Nuke had when we drafted him. Nichuskin meh shot is one of the reasons i think he struggles. He can generate possesion and chances but rarely manages finish anything from that.

I have no idea how Guryanov looked in the KHL aside from a couple of highlights and one video where he moonwalked in practise.

At least with Guryanov the Stars have more control and it's not NHL or bust which Nuke's KHL team kind of forced the Stars to do. So they can give him more time if he needs it.

And well for funsies why don't i just leave his moonwalk video HERE

 

[bigdog16]

Lengthy text, eh...

I have no bias. I do not accuse. Those are facts. You have a very simple bias. "Everything North America is good" that is(including those nonsensical 200ft quotes).

Te NHL is greatly inerested in hurting international hockey indirectly. The NHl wants to stay the only relevant place to be. They want to have theluxuryof the simple development approach: You do as you are told or we throw you out and ou have nowhere to go. The NHl is not willing to learnfrom the success and mistakes of the biggest sprt in the world - football. It's easier to shove a bad product down people's throats for the same money.

Huh? I dont think the NHL's intention is to "hurt" international hockey. It is simply the best hockey league in the world. Why wouldnt the best players be attracted to play in it? The players have their say in if they want to agree to their respective NHL team's opinion on where they should play. No one's forcing them where they should play. They offer their input on the best way and best development route to play fastest on the NHL team though. They arent forced, its their option if they want to play with the best or not. And whether you want to believe it or not, the NHL IS the only relevent place to be, nobody cares or knows the best players in the KHL. And dont even bother wasting your time comparing it to football, entirely different ball game there. The development paths are just completely different and otherwise an irrelevent argument. Havent even stat checked but id guess the NFL consists of 99% American born athletes.

 

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I don't think he means that football.... , just saying

I mean he can hate on the NHL , the Stars and Guryanov as much as he likes . Doesn't change the fact coming over makes sense for Guryanov. It might not have made that much sense for Nichuskin at the time ( albeit he wanted to come over and by all acounts he looked ready in his rookie year ) but this is a different case.

 

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Could somebody help me out here what exactly this the second thing here means ?



It's basically just a if you're unhappy you're free to go back right ? Don't think this means Stars need or expect him to actually make the big team ? Would seem pretty unlikely albeit he'll get a shot in training camp.

 

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Could somebody help me out here what exactly this the second thing here means ?



It's basically just a if you're unhappy you're free to go back right ? Don't think this means Stars need or expect him to actually make the big team ? Would seem pretty unlikely albeit he'll get a shot in training camp.

It doesn't mean he has to use it right away. I expect him to spend next year in the AHL. He didn't set the KHL on fire, I don't see him making a big jump this offseason.

It does mean he doesn't want to spend 3 years in the AHL.