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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) VI

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AndyA said:
I don't think there is exactly like that (not sure), but for example here you can find all the regular season games by Tappara:

http://liiga.fi/ottelut/2015-2016/runkosarja/?team=tappara&sort=

Then if you click "Seuranta" from each game it will take you to detailed game stats. There is a shot chart on the bottom where you can select the player to see their shot locations in the game, and if you hover your mouse on top of the "dot" you can also see the time when it happened.

Here you can find advanced stats from Liiga (Filters: "Joukkue" to choose the team, "Turnaus" to choose playoffs or regular season):

http://liiga.fi/tilastot/2015-2016/runkosarja/pelaajat/?team=&position=all&player_stats=enhanced&sort=PDO#stats-wrapper
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QnebO said:
You can filter the shot map (Laukaisukartta) by Player from the drop menu to see only say Laine shots in the game.

Needed Finnish skills to read the shot chart:

Laukaus = Shot

Ohi (=miss) maalin (=net)

Maalivahti (=goalie) torjui (=saved)
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Thanks, is there a way to tell who was on the ice for each of those shots? Is that information recorded anywhere? I am trying to get numbers on how players on Laine's team play with and without Laine. If players on ice for the shot attempts were recorded anywhere that would be awesome
 
Jeepers Creeper said:
Agree with this. Yesterday's game was perhaps the fastest paced game Laine has ever played, he didn't have nearly as much time as he is used to in Liiga. Which naturally raises the issue of how well will he cope with the limited time and space of NHL hockey.
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Good question. Limited ice time certainly isn't helping in getting adjusted in the fast tempo. Was even thinking that what if Aho and Laine swapped places. Koivu is so defensively orientated and there's no shoot-first guy in that Laine so it might be an option. If the tournament goes on like this and Laine doesn't get the wheels running they'll bury him deep. It's not even his fault, the staff just didn't play him in the USA game from the first period until the very end. Getting shift here and there isn't going to work. In the long run how he fairs in the WHC has little to do with how he's eventually going to fit into NHL rinks. The guy just turned 18. He's not even close to the player he will be few years from now.
 
Im the Vatman said:
Even if Laine had 3+2 tonight but the game was still 5-4 for Finland with a few minutes remaining in the clock, Laine would still get benched.
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Yep. In all 3 games actually, every time in the 3rd period Laine got very limited minutes. I'm sure he would've got at least 1 hat trick otherwise. In the first 2 games it was probably to protect our gems Barkov & Laine from injuries and in the 3rd game to make sure that we would win. So I understand the reasoning.
 
I don't know what you seeing but he didn't have problems with team usa. He played very little and still coulda ended up with 1+1, he had great shots and plays. One turn over from 18 year old. Jokinen played a lot worse game and he's 2-way specialist and a veteran. He isn't gonna score on every game, nobody is.
 
Jack Eichel had 7 points and 2 goals in the WHC last season (10 games) and didn't DOMINATE every game. Chill guys lol
 
Ive got no problem when hes sitting on a lead. Only problem is him forced to play on right wing. Kunekune posted an excellent picture of hes success when its compared to where hes playing.
 
I think this text (http://www.yle.fi/urheilu/3-8869625) is great read. It's in Finnish but it's about Laine and how media/people think there are just Laine on the ice. Someone could translate that better if they want. Everything Laine does gets noticed but after all it's Finland who try to win the gold and he is just one player on the team.
 
I think Laine has shown very mature attitude. He understood his benching completely and was very hard on himself after the game, but at the same time the "bad" game didn't seem to get under his skin. It is more about that he knows what he can do and demands it from himself.

I expect him to score some more against Hungary & France and in the Canada game we will see how he does against top competition.
 
M3ntalpr0 said:
Which doesn't really matter considering Laine had more than enough time to recover after Liiga finals.

If anything, you could argue Matthews should be rusty.
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Agreed, I think some are reaching with trying to justify things.

Laine has such a violent shot, one of the best slappers of a prospect in a long time. He has power in his wrister, I think he just needs to be a little more accurate, he has potential to have a Kovalchuk type wrister.

It will be interesting to see what kind of player he can turn into once his skating develops. If he had Pulju's skating, he would be a Kovalchuk clone :amazed: Also, I'm eager to see how he handles the smaller ice, watching Laine it seems he sneaks into the open areas of the ice and gets the pass and finishes, wonder if the smaller ice will effect that. Then again, with smaller ice, I don't think his skating will be as emphasized as it is now on larger ice.
 
Mahonkinen said:
Only problem is him forced to play on right wing. Kunekune posted an excellent picture of hes success when its compared to where hes playing.
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Obviously he gets tons of shots and goals from left side due to powerplay which shows in that picture. It's much easier to protect puck and make passes from RW so it's not that simple which is better side for him on 5-on-5.
 
Another question for Finnish posters- this page on the Liiga website seems to be documenting the ice-time of players under different situations http://liiga.fi/tilastot/2015-2016/...player_stats=time_on_ice&sort=O#stats-wrapper Google translate is failing on this page for me so can you confirm that the following metrics mean what I think they mean

A: Time on Ice/game
YVA: Total PP time in the season
YV2A: Total 2 man PP time in the season
AVA: Total PK Time
AV2A: Total 2 man PK time

Is that right?
 
JetsFan815 said:
Another question for Finnish posters- this page on the Liiga website seems to be documenting the ice-time of players under different situations http://liiga.fi/tilastot/2015-2016/...player_stats=time_on_ice&sort=O#stats-wrapper Google translate is failing on this page for me so can you confirm that the following metrics mean what I think they mean

A: Time on Ice/game
YVA: Total PP time in the season
YV2A: Total 2 man PP time in the season
AVA: Total PK Time
AV2A: Total 2 man PK time

Is that right?
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Exactly so.
 
M3ntalpr0 said:
Which doesn't really matter considering Laine had more than enough time to recover after Liiga finals.

If anything, you could argue Matthews should be rusty.
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Sure he had time, but he had what a week?
He's played 94 games at 17(18y for few games), that's a lot, but should help him for his next season.

Your body doesn't recover from that in less than a week especially looking at the stress it's been after the final game.
 
M3ntalpr0 said:
Which doesn't really matter considering Laine had more than enough time to recover after Liiga finals.

If anything, you could argue Matthews should be rusty.
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I dont think that anyone is using it as an excuse to prove well.. anything.
I think it shows that he have a pretty good condition for bigger fella.
 
Brun0 said:
Laine has played already 93 games where as Mathews only 56.
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Nice! The reaction to this stat will show everyone's bias. :laugh:

Matthews fans

When Laine Does Well: "Laine is still in game shape/form"

When Matthews Does Poorly: "Matthews had too much rest so he's rusty right now"


Laine Fans

When Matthews Does Well: "Matthews had ample rest, so he should be doing better"

When Laine Does Poorly: "Laine is tired because of those extra games"
 
JetsFan815 said:
Cool, can you also tell me who his most common linemates were in the regular season? Accoriding to this article http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...-nhl-entry-draft-auston-matthews-leafs-oilers they were Jukka Peltola and Pekka Saravo, is that correct?
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Pekka Saravo is a defender so he wasn't Laines linemate.

Jukka Peltola was the RW in Laines line for the most season. Arttu Ilomäki was the center for the first part of the season and they changed it to Jan-Mikael Järvinen.
 
Cross posting this from the Jets forum as it might be of interest to the Finnish fans. It certainly blows the "Laine is terrible defensively" argument out of water. All regular season numbers

JetsFan815 said:
So I had a couple of free hours and decided to dig into Laine's advanced stats to calculate some of his relative numbers (as a reminder positive and higher CF/60 Rel Team the better and negative and lower CA/60 the better)

-|CF/60|CA/60|CF/60 RelTeam|CA/60 RelTeam
Patrik Laine|40.17|35.19|1.41|-6.29
Team | 38.75 | 41.47 | - | -

The narrative around Laine is that he is "terrible defensively", however it seems that while his shot generation is above team average, where he really shined was in shot suppression. Laine's Corsi Against numbers are elite. There is only 1 player on the team with more than 15 games played with a lower Corsi Against/60. Very interesting and surprising results to say the least.

I wanna do this for Puljujarvi as well to see how he compares, I don't know why the Liiga doesn't publish them on their site, they have all the data from where these numbers are derived, it would be a day's work for their developers to add them to the site instead of making people do the work themselves. Now only if the NLA published Corsi numbers so we could compare
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Brewsky said:
Laine has such a violent shot, one of the best slappers of a prospect in a long time. He has power in his wrister, I think he just needs to be a little more accurate, he has potential to have a Kovalchuk type wrister.

It will be interesting to see what kind of player he can turn into once his skating develops. If he had Pulju's skating, he would be a Kovalchuk clone :amazed: Also, I'm eager to see how he handles the smaller ice, watching Laine it seems he sneaks into the open areas of the ice and gets the pass and finishes, wonder if the smaller ice will effect that. Then again, with smaller ice, I don't think his skating will be as emphasized as it is now on larger ice.
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Here's the thing: Puljujärvi does have freak-of-nature skating for his size, and his slapper was harder during their skills competition. Him only recently catching up to Laine's height gives a hint on that he might be a later bloomer than Laine, so i feel like a lot of us (including me) are counting Pulju out too soon.

As of now I think Laine will be better, but if Puljujärvi puts everything together.. :amazed:
 
People need to realize that shooting the puck to the radar with all the time and space is no indicator of one's shooting ability in games.

Laine has vastly superior shooting arsenal/abilities compared to Pulju. But I agree, Pulju is still a bit of a question mark and can end up being best player from this draft. He's still so raw.
 
TAnnala said:
People need to realize that shooting the puck to the radar with all the time and space is no indicator of one's shooting ability in games.

Laine has vastly superior shooting arsenal/abilities compared to Pulju. But I agree, Pulju is still a bit of a question mark and can end up being best player from this draft. He's still so raw.
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Only thing pulju as over laine is skating, offensively he will not be close. He could end up being good 2-way forward with high offensive numbers anyhow, just not laine comparable. Laine is game breaker.
 

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