Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
The truth hurts. No need to get so sensitive. Laine is a tier below both Matthews and Pool Party.
This is just as embarassing as the 400 pages of ridiculousness that goes on in here the other way.
This thing is just all round sad
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At least Babcock doesn't see it that way since he already said that it's Matthews or Laine.
I guess one guy just showed us what he's been up to in here.
I guess one guy just showed us what he's been up to in here.
You do know that it has been a consensus top 3 for 6 months and JP has just had knee surgery right? Big 3 now big 2
NHL Central Scouting has Laine listed as RW... TSN's info graphic has Laine listed as RW...
We realize that these are the guys that we are listening to with their talk about "consensus #2 pick", right? This is the authority who we assume is knowledgeable about the players, right? The argument is that these people scout hockey players for a living, right?
But they couldn't scout that Laine is a left wing?
We realize that these are the guys that we are listening to with their talk about "consensus #2 pick", right? This is the authority who we assume is knowledgeable about the players, right? The argument is that these people scout hockey players for a living, right?
But they couldn't scout that Laine is a left wing?
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I wish there was a like button in this forum.Nice one Rob.
I wish HFboards had post flares like Facepunch does. Then I realize the cluster frak that would inevitably arise in each and every thread where they can be posted.
He's a winger, has played both sides this year and last year. I think most tend to list guys who play both sides by their which way they shoot. But yes, try to undermine Central scouting and TSN's ranking, considering Bob McKenzie's list is based off scouts he talks to, and not which position he thinks players play...
He was LW in his Liiga team. If you actually SCOUTED him instead of looking at the stat sheets, you wouldn't have that opinion.
I have compiled a highlight video from his WC's first 3 and half games thus far. I watched through the first 3 games' highlights. Ignoring the middle of the ice, guess how many offensive highlights he has made from each side while playing as the RIGHT winger, ignoring power play?
Left:
10
Right:
5
This is while playing as the RIGHT winger, while spending the vast majority of time on the RIGHT wing.
If they actually list wingers by the side they shoot on instead of by the side they play on, I have no words for the amount of stupid that is. If they think that he can play both wings, they haven't done much scouting. Every time he "accidentally" drifts to the left, he becomes twice as good of a player.
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He's played on the left at the WHC, and did last year at the U-18's. But keep trying to discredit people because you disagree with their assessment. I know he played on the LW for Tappara, and was used their primarily on the PP at the WHC. It should flat out just say W.
Yes, he played on the left wing at WJCs and u-18 worlds. And Liiga. And PP. The only thing he's been playing RW on(Where he was only useful while drifting left), is the WC.
The rest of your post I have no clue what it's about. It was mostly an excuse to bring forth this data.
The rest of your post I have no clue what it's about. It was mostly an excuse to bring forth this data.
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It's a pretty glaring mistake to write him as Right Wing when he is so clearly a natural LW and plays that position the most. But, we don't know who made that mistake. Who writes those rankings? Is it a mistake or one singular person who is uninformed?
Scouts who have seen Laine play absolutely know where he played last season. Would be childish to think they don't.
Scouts who have seen Laine play absolutely know where he played last season. Would be childish to think they don't.
He seems to be listed as a RW in multiple places. Including ISS, my guess is everyone is mostly following Central Scoutings lead. But TSN changed it from mid-year to pre-lottery. Granted Damien Cox has it right, which is horrifying. And no chance he knows more than TSN, CSB or ISS. It should probably just be listed as LW/RW.
http://www.tsn.ca/elite-prospect-matthews-tops-mckenzie-s-ranking-1.364099
http://www.tsn.ca/laine-closes-gap-on-matthews-atop-tsn-draft-rankings-1.478128
http://www.tsn.ca/elite-prospect-matthews-tops-mckenzie-s-ranking-1.364099
http://www.tsn.ca/laine-closes-gap-on-matthews-atop-tsn-draft-rankings-1.478128
Why not just list him LW as he is not as effective right winger. Why is Ovie not listed as RW then? Ar all left wingers for that matter.
Well, it was worth the try
Ovie's had fantasy eligibility on the right side for awhile, and actually played there quite a bit under Oates. Remember, he somehow got voted to an end of season all star team at both positions. Here's an article on it if you don't remember
https://www.thestar.com/sports/hock...ovechkin_voted_to_nhl_allstar_team_twice.html
And Kapanen played quite a bit as a right D but I've never seem him listed as a RD/RW. Ovie will not be found anywhere near the top of the All time best RW lists. But on the LW lists.
But anyway, off to Laine, he should be listed and played at left wing. He is uneffective on the right. While it might be the reason he has played LW since forever and just isn't used to RW he shouldn't be listed as LW/RW just in case he could learn the position. Why not list all positions then?
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Laine played the entire Liiga season on LW.
If you want the line combinations in writing, the official Tappara Twitter account has provided that information for us:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=117300575&postcount=230
This information was in the last OP.
The Liiga website identifies Laine as a LW.
http://liiga.fi/pelaajat/30001639/laine-patrik
The only time all season that Laine played RW was at the Worlds . . . and it was a decision that all of us questioned.
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What makes this especially annoying is that everyone(A certain group) seems to love referencing Laine's 5v5 at worlds as proof of his weakness in playing 5v5 at that level, when he'd have trouble at all levels if he played as RW there. This, by the way, is one of the numerous reasons I've been heavily critical of Finland's WC coach. Why would you completely neuter one of your best players...
Just stop it. Last year Laine was exclusively a LW. Not a single game as an RW, and still these clowns were listing Laine as a RW, and telling it's AINEC. Liiga & Liiga PO, EHT, CHL, U20, pre-season games. Not a single game as an RW since the last summer.
That was until WHC, where Laine was every time listed to be 1. line (Barkov line, the real 1. line) LW, and yet Jokinen as an older player forced him to play at RW. In the first games Laine constantly went to LW position in face offs, and big star Jokinen then told the rookie to get off and go to the RW position.
Also during all the WHC games that LW-listed but forced-RW Laine "accidentally" switched to LW during shifts. Most of his good plays (and points) on 5-on-5 he made *after* he "accidentally" switched to the left, including his first goal that's one of the sickest goal I have ever seen on WHC.
Yeah, it's really lame of Jokinen(Or Jalonen) in my opinion to not allow a young and inexperienced player like Laine to play his wing, especially as it's the first time Laine played at such a high level. One would expect an experienced veteran like Jokinen to be able to adapt significantly better.
Laine had to constantly drift to the left side to try and become the player he is able to be, so frustrating to watch. Laine didn't even get any one timer opportunities on the right side even though it's one of his big strengths, but during the rare moments when he drifted to the left, he got multiple ones.
I really, really hope Marjamäki doesn't try to force Laine to play with Jokinen again and actually allows Laine to play on his left wing so that he isn't forced to have as weak of a tournament as WCs again.
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