LW Kristian Vesalainen (2017, 24th, WPG)

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What's his timetable to joining the NHL post-draft? Is he looking like he'll be ready to play right out of the gate due to his size?

Also, does he use his body to separate the puck from the offense, or is he capable of using his reach/stick and then use his acceleration to get a rush started?
 
He dominates the u-18 by his size and strength. He doesn't use his linemates wisely and he forces plays. If he just used his head a bit more I'd be more impressed.

Of course it's hard to fault his play at the moment since it seems to be working quite nicely, but I think that stronger pro teams and players could defend his solos pretty easily.

I like him though. I hope he'll learn to fine-tune his game to become an effective NHLer.
 
He dominates the u-18 by his size and strength. He doesn't use his linemates wisely and he forces plays. If he just used his head a bit more I'd be more impressed.

Of course it's hard to fault his play at the moment since it seems to be working quite nicely, but I think that stronger pro teams and players could defend his solos pretty easily.

I like him though. I hope he'll learn to fine-tune his game to become an effective NHLer.

This is how I think of his game and I like him a lot too
 
His Hockey IQ comes under fire a lot. Is he just not seeing the passing lanes once in the offensive zone, or are his struggles in transition and finding a path forward? What part of the mental game is really holding him back?
 
His Hockey IQ comes under fire a lot. Is he just not seeing the passing lanes once in the offensive zone, or are his struggles in transition and finding a path forward? What part of the mental game is really holding him back?

His passing is fine on the powerplay where he is standing still but seems to have tunnel vision once he has the puck at full speed. Hopefully he will learn over time.
 
More analysis paralysis.

He's fine. He's a power forward. It's not his job to make pinpoint passes and carve up zone defenses. His job is to bury loose change and get pucks on net. The stickhandling and vision are gravy.

The truth is that he has excellent chemistry with Ikonen. This tournament is just a few games. People dropped him because of the WJC, but he's been excellent since returning to Frolunda.

Don't understand what people want out of power forwards. Their job is to be physical, score goals and wear down opponents. Only Vesalainen can make plays off the cycle and winning puck battles. The fact that this draft is thin is another reason why he's a worthy gamble.

Chris Kreider is one of the fastest players in the league and he almost 6 years after his debut, he still drives rangers fans crazy with vanishing acts. And this was his career-best season.

Sounds like people who soured on him are just mad he's playing well again.

He's the top scorer at the U18s. Nuff said.
 
More analysis paralysis.

He's fine. He's a power forward. It's not his job to make pinpoint passes and carve up zone defenses. His job is to bury loose change and get pucks on net. The stickhandling and vision are gravy.

The truth is that he has excellent chemistry with Ikonen. This tournament is just a few games. People dropped him because of the WJC, but he's been excellent since returning to Frolunda.

Don't understand what people want out of power forwards. Their job is to be physical, score goals and wear down opponents. Only Vesalainen can make plays off the cycle and winning puck battles. The fact that this draft is thin is another reason why he's a worthy gamble.

Chris Kreider is one of the fastest players in the league and he almost 6 years after his debut, he still drives rangers fans crazy with vanishing acts. And this was his career-best season.

Sounds like people who soured on him are just mad he's playing well again.

He's the top scorer at the U18s. Nuff said.

Agreed entirely. I was one of the guys who soured him, but it makes me very happy to see how wrong i was with my vision about his future.

He should go in TOP-10.
 
I'm really hoping he drops late and the Blues pick him up after drafting a center in the 17-25 position. I don't really see the IQ issues, or at least seem to notice that he has excellent vision from the bit I've watched. I'll trust these reports over my own limited viewing, but he seems like he could be a steal. Here's to hoping XXX-Vesalainen is the next Tarasenko-Schwartz.
 
More analysis paralysis.

He's fine. He's a power forward. It's not his job to make pinpoint passes and carve up zone defenses. His job is to bury loose change and get pucks on net. The stickhandling and vision are gravy.

The truth is that he has excellent chemistry with Ikonen. This tournament is just a few games. People dropped him because of the WJC, but he's been excellent since returning to Frolunda.

Don't understand what people want out of power forwards. Their job is to be physical, score goals and wear down opponents. Only Vesalainen can make plays off the cycle and winning puck battles. The fact that this draft is thin is another reason why he's a worthy gamble.

Chris Kreider is one of the fastest players in the league and he almost 6 years after his debut, he still drives rangers fans crazy with vanishing acts. And this was his career-best season.

Sounds like people who soured on him are just mad he's playing well again.

He's the top scorer at the U18s. Nuff said.

The big issue with powerforwards for me is we see the same player every year; a goal scoring powerforward winger who has IQ question marks; plays decently physical as well.

And they almost always bust. If they aren't producing at a significant clip; its a tough pick to justify over a hard scorer

Don't take this as a "I hate Veselainen" thing; I think he's a really good forward right now, it's just the past is haunting me and i'd still take Tolvanen over him because of it.
 
What's his timetable to joining the NHL post-draft? Is he looking like he'll be ready to play right out of the gate due to his size?

Also, does he use his body to separate the puck from the offense, or is he capable of using his reach/stick and then use his acceleration to get a rush started?

No matter what he should not spent the next year in NHL.

With his stats a year in Liiga in a big role would not hurt.
He has ton of potential and he's a young kid.
 
Thanks! Though it was more of a rhetorical question, this was useful. Haven't been paying so much attention to the 2018 draft at this point in time.



Btw, it wasn't just the hat trick for Vesalainen. He had numerous defensive plays where he stripped the puck from Canadians and he set up several high quality scoring chances for his teammates.

My main point was that although he is playing well against Canada. This really isn't a very stacked team outside of Glass and some good 2018 prospects. The majority of guys on this team Canada are likely late 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders outside of Glass. So it's awesome what he is doing but it's not really a great team for Canada.

And I would caution overrating a player based on a single tournament.
 
How does he compare to Magnus Paajarvi? Favourably or not. At least the questionmarks around his game seem to be similar. MPS played well against his age group IIRC. Though MPS also lit up SHL, but wasn't that post draft?
 
This Magnus Pääjärvi stuff for every other Finnish forward prospect is getting very tired.

Why not use a successful player as the primary point of comparison? For the record, I don't see that many similarities in their games.

My main point was that although he is playing well against Canada. This really isn't a very stacked team outside of Glass and some good 2018 prospects. The majority of guys on this team Canada are likely late 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders outside of Glass. So it's awesome what he is doing but it's not really a great team for Canada.

And I would caution overrating a player based on a single tournament.

His international performance has been pretty comparable to Matthews's at the same ages the past 2 years. It's not just a single tournament... But certainly, one has to give it the highest relevance considering it's the most recent one.
 
More analysis paralysis.

He's fine. He's a power forward. It's not his job to make pinpoint passes and carve up zone defenses. His job is to bury loose change and get pucks on net. The stickhandling and vision are gravy.

The truth is that he has excellent chemistry with Ikonen. This tournament is just a few games. People dropped him because of the WJC, but he's been excellent since returning to Frolunda.

Don't understand what people want out of power forwards. Their job is to be physical, score goals and wear down opponents. Only Vesalainen can make plays off the cycle and winning puck battles. The fact that this draft is thin is another reason why he's a worthy gamble.

Chris Kreider is one of the fastest players in the league and he almost 6 years after his debut, he still drives rangers fans crazy with vanishing acts. And this was his career-best season.

Sounds like people who soured on him are just mad he's playing well again.

He's the top scorer at the U18s. Nuff said.

In my opinion, Vesalainen is a perfect player who shows hockey sense isn't black and white and you can't just say "player X has good hockey sense" and "player Y has bad hockey sense." It's not that simple.

I think Vesalainen is a really smart player who understands the game well. He anticipates plays, he's an active defensive player who understands his responsibilities and forces turnovers. In the offensive zone, he gets into scoring areas and is often in the right place at the right time. So, sure, he has high hockey IQ.

But watching him in the U18s, you see him making some questionable decisions or trying to do too much. Whether it's a shot into traffic without even thinking about passing options or a turnover in the neutral zone because he tried to stickhandle his way through three opponents, there are several examples that make you question his senses.

So, overall hockey sense as in understanding of the game and anticipating plays, I'd say is good. But offensive awareness and vision, not so much. It's sometimes hard to distinguish between selfish players and those who lack hockey sense - Vesalainen might just be too selfish because he wants to raise his draft stock - but most times, the smarter players are those who can be playmakers.

I'm a big fan of power forwards and am really high on Vesalainen. But there will be a time when he can't stickhandle through every opponent or use the same between-the-leg deke down the right wing that he's used about 10 times at the U18s. Those things just stop working when the opposition is quicker, tougher, and simply better at hockey. So once Vesalainen reaches that level, he will have to start playing passes to get through. That doesn't mean he needs to become a playmaker, it just means he needs to prove he sees where his teammates are and can get accurate passes through the neutral zone or to a better-positioned offensive player, rather than stick handling into traffic or taking bad shots.

Again, I'm really high on Vesalainen, but I find this concerning.

And regarding him being the top scorer, "nuff said," Toni Rajala once had 10 goals and 19 points in 6 games at the U18. Toni Who? Exactly.
 
And regarding him being the top scorer, "nuff said," Toni Rajala once had 10 goals and 19 points in 6 games at the U18. Toni Who? Exactly.

Sure let's pick Rajala from 10 years ago and forget all the nobodies that have done it the after that.. :sarcasm:

Kucherov
Dumba
McDavid
W.Nylander
Matthews
Jost
 
Sure let's pick Rajala from 10 years ago and forget all the nobodies that have done it the after that.. :sarcasm:

Kucherov
Dumba
McDavid
W.Nylander
Matthews
Jost

As said, I'm not at all against Vesalainen and think he should definitely go top 20. But being the top scorer of a tournament doesn't always make you a first-overall pick. It's possible to score a ton of points and be a later pick and it's possible to be the top scorer and never make the NHL.
 
Sure let's pick Rajala from 10 years ago and forget all the nobodies that have done it the after that.. :sarcasm:

Kucherov
Dumba
McDavid
W.Nylander
Matthews
Jost

I think trying to compare anyone based on U18 tournament scoring is ridiculous good or bad.
 
Perhaps, but we who have actually watched his gameplay have seen that it's not just some scoring.

He's good no doubt. But I usually don't put a tonne of stock into stuff like that unless its a young kid wrecking older kids. What Svechnikov is doing is on a whole other level.
 
He's good no doubt. But I usually don't put a tonne of stock into stuff like that unless its a young kid wrecking older kids. What Svechnikov is doing is on a whole other level.

Do you know, that Vesalainen had 6 points in 7 games last year's U-18? (Svechnikov has now 6 points in four games) And they both have equal points in U-17 (8)

You seem to have an agenda against Vesalainen? Ijuka allready pointed out, that Vesalainen's stats are comparable to Matthews stats for couple years.. (Not saying he's going to be as good as Matthews)
 
Do you know, that Vesalainen had 6 points in 7 games last year's U-18? (Svechnikov has now 6 points in four games) And they both have equal points in U-17 (8)

You seem to have an agenda against Vesalainen? Ijuka allready pointed out, that Vesalainen's stats are comparable to Matthews stats for couple years.. (Not saying he's going to be as good as Matthews)

Last time I checked 6 in 4 is better than 6 in 7.
 
This Magnus Pääjärvi stuff for every other Finnish forward prospect is getting very tired.

Why not use a successful player as the primary point of comparison? For the record, I don't see that many similarities in their games.



His international performance has been pretty comparable to Matthews's at the same ages the past 2 years. It's not just a single tournament... But certainly, one has to give it the highest relevance considering it's the most recent one.
His numbers in these events are also similar to Paajarvi though, they have similar make-up and flaws. You can't just pick and choose who guys have similar analytical profiles too, they simply match-up with, who they match-up with.
 
Last time I checked 6 in 4 is better than 6 in 7.

Is that all you have to say?

And yes 6 in 4 is better than 6 in 7. Let's just wait if he scores more..

And they also had equal amount of points (5) in WHC-17 as an 16 years old.
 

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