LW Brennan Othmann - Hartford Wolfpack, HL (2021, 16th, NYR)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No different than all the NCAA guys, and all the guys playing on American teams in the WHL, not sure that was an issue. They just never invited Othmann for whatever reason.

I'm just relaying what I heard from people about the situation. WHL guys played in Canada last season when they resumed. All games were played in 1 location.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

"Some people" in hockey are also horrible people themselves, so I'm not sure I really give two shits about opinions of random, unnamed individuals who don't like the way he carries himself. The list of highly talented guys that have had the cocky, arrogant, spoiled, etc. labels attached to them is huge and usually meaningless in the end.

Yeah. Not liking how "he carries himself" is pretty rich coming from people in a sport (and league) riddled with controversies. We literally had a case come to light of a player labeled as "difficult" as a prospect, who we later found out was abused by a coach. As much as I love watching hockey, I praise the lord I am not involved in the sport.

 

[BondraTime]

I'm just relaying what I heard from people about the situation. WHL guys played in Canada last season when they resumed. All games were played in 1 location.

Hockey Canada invited 5 guys from Flint, Erie and Saginaw to the U-17’s in Canada 2.5 weeks ago.

I don’t think them plying in the states had anything to do with getting no invites to the team, Othmann was the only one remotely on the radar and was just left of the camp roster for whatever reason, the same way Clarke was.

He should have been at the camp, without a doubt, but his inability to cross the border and playing on a US based OHL team had nothing to do with it

 

[2014nyr]

And from what I heard, there was a lot of bad blood between the Laf camp and Team Canada/Hunters from the year before. So that call may have been partly Laf himself saying no thanks well ahead of time.

pretty shocked to hear that...he couldn't have had a bigger tourney...maybe the rangers need to get him a coach he fkn hates if it'll bring out the wjc version of him

i always figured there was a decent chance he said no rather than the rangers but def not for that reason. from his perspective he'd already won a gold and mvp, hard to top that...plus was going to force him to miss the short camp and at least a few nhl games. i would guess the rangers might have let him know they preferred he skip it, but if he really wanted to go they would have allowed. hard to imagine theyd put their foot down and risk damaging that relationship over maybe missing a couple games

 

[Tim Wallach]

pretty shocked to hear that...he couldn't have had a bigger tourney...maybe the rangers need to get him a coach he fkn hates if it'll bring out the wjc version of him

i always figured there was a decent chance he said no rather than the rangers but def not for that reason. from his perspective he'd already won a gold and mvp, hard to top that...plus was going to force him to miss the short camp and at least a few nhl games. i would guess the rangers might have let him know they preferred he skip it, but if he really wanted to go they would have allowed. hard to imagine theyd put their foot down and risk damaging that relationship over maybe missing a couple games

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was common knowledge or not, but there was major drama behind the scenes between him and Team Canada when he got injured at the WJC. He was heading home. Had packed his stuff, etc. Agent argued with TC officials, etc. Hunters made a hail mary plea to get him to dress for the medal games. It got very heated an ugly and they left quite upset with Hockey Canada.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I wonder if it's similar how Torts don't likes how Zegras plays. In that case there's nothing to worry about, but I really don't know the situation with Othman

I don’t know either, but I thought they were relevant. It’s hard to form an opinion without knowing more about the situation.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was common knowledge or not, but there was major drama behind the scenes between him and Team Canada when he got injured at the WJC. He was heading home. Had packed his stuff, etc. Agent argued with TC officials, etc. Hunters made a hail mary plea to get him to dress for the medal games. It got very heated an ugly and they left quite upset with Hockey Canada.

He also has not received his championship ring yet from HockeyCanada.

 

[2014nyr]

Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was common knowledge or not, but there was major drama behind the scenes between him and Team Canada when he got injured at the WJC. He was heading home. Had packed his stuff, etc. Agent argued with TC officials, etc. Hunters made a hail mary plea to get him to dress for the medal games. It got very heated an ugly and they left quite upset with Hockey Canada.

interesting, figured the only thing that could have been contentious was handling of that injury. still, surprising to hear just given how it all appeared on the ice for laf. appreciate you passing that along

 

[Tim Wallach]

interesting, figured the only thing that could have been contentious was handling of that injury. still, surprising to hear just given how it all appeared on the ice for laf. appreciate you passing that along

Yes, he and his agent and family were apparently not happy at all at the handling of the injury. I was surprised they kept most of it under wraps as the journalists on site all seemed to see it happen. Not sure if the relationship is repaired yet.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The whole auction rumour has been deleted off of Twitter so take that for what it's worth.

 

[2014nyr]

Yes, he and his agent and family were apparently not happy at all at the handling of the injury. I was surprised they kept most of it under wraps as the journalists on site all seemed to see it happen. Not sure if the relationship is repaired yet.

i'm not surprised they wouldn't want anything jeopardized with the draft approaching for him, anything floating around on where he stood? his personality always struck me as the type that would have been pushing to play if he could, and he certainly looked all in from an emotional perspective. would guess it isn't repaired at all if its true he never got his ring from hockey canada, but at this point not something hc prob cares about given he wouldn't be on the radar for any senior teams. seems pretty petty from hc though, would be more understandable if his agent / family had gone to the media about it and buried them. in general their leadership seems to be extremely political / vindictive at all levels when it comes to their sht list. othmann here is obviously a perfect example. suppose they can afford to be though when they have pools so deep they could probably field 2-3 wjc or world cup/olympic teams that could compete for gold.

 

[Tim Wallach]

i'm not surprised they wouldn't want anything jeopardized with the draft approaching for him, anything floating around on where he stood? his personality always struck me as the type that would have been pushing to play if he could, and he certainly looked all in from an emotional perspective. would guess it isn't repaired at all if its true he never got his ring from hockey canada, but at this point not something hc prob cares about given he wouldn't be on the radar for any senior teams. seems pretty petty from hc though, would be more understandable if his agent / family had gone to the media about it and buried them. in general their leadership seems to be extremely political / vindictive at all levels when it comes to their sht list. othmann here is obviously a perfect example. suppose they can afford to be though when they have pools so deep they could probably field 2-3 wjc or world cup/olympic teams that could compete for gold.

Apparently his agent and family wanted him to withdraw and Hockey Canada put on the full court press for him to play. His camp thought he was being put in a risky spot and didn’t like the pressure tactics. A conversation with the Hunters finally swayed him.

 

[nowhereman]

Yeah. Not liking how "he carries himself" is pretty rich coming from people in a sport (and league) riddled with controversies. We literally had a case come to light of a player labeled as "difficult" as a prospect, who we later found out was abused by a coach. As much as I love watching hockey, I praise the lord I am not involved in the sport.

If you think the NHL is "riddled with controversies", wait until you read up on literally any other major sports league in the world.

 

[2014nyr]

Apparently his agent and family wanted him to withdraw and Hockey Canada put on the full court press for him to play. His camp thought he was being put in a risky spot and didn’t like the pressure tactics. A conversation with the Hunters finally swayed him.

makes sense they'd be extremely annoyed with what i'm interpreting as hockey canada basically going around his agent/family to pressure the 17 year old into playing directly.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

"Some people" in hockey are also horrible people themselves, so I'm not sure I really give two shits about opinions of random, unnamed individuals who don't like the way he carries himself. The list of highly talented guys that have had the cocky, arrogant, spoiled, etc. labels attached to them is huge and usually meaningless in the end.

Hockey culture be like...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Expect Othmann to spend his summer in New York training with Kreider. Rangers have a plan set up for him.

And if Flint isn't trading him, don't be shocked if he spends next season in New York as he doesn't have much left to learn in the OHL according to some in the org. It would be interesting how a 19-year old Othmann would do in the NHL, but he of course already has a season of pro hockey under his belt where he adjusted pretty easily aside from learning a new language.

 

[bigdog16]

Yeah. Not liking how "he carries himself" is pretty rich coming from people in a sport (and league) riddled with controversies. We literally had a case come to light of a player labeled as "difficult" as a prospect, who we later found out was abused by a coach. As much as I love watching hockey, I praise the lord I am not involved in the sport.

Holy moving goal posts. I understand the culture needs to change but you are reaching here. Pretty cynical to think that every "difficult" prospect is abused by their coaches. You do know that there are actually prospects out there that are in fact difficult, self-centered, selfish, entitled, etc...

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Holy moving goal posts. I understand the culture needs to change but you are reaching here. Pretty cynical to think that every "difficult" prospect is abused by their coaches. You do know that there are actually prospects out there that are in fact difficult, self-centered, selfish, entitled, etc...

That's not what I said at all but you are a master at misinterpreting stuff.

 

[bigdog16]

That's not what I said at all but you are a master at misinterpreting stuff.

You are the king of stretching stories on here so its not really a misinterpretation. I mean you literally tried to claim Othmann didnt make Team Canada because Canada never went to the USA to watch him play…Team Canada doesn’t like the way he carries himself, why do you have to sit here and make excuses on the kids behalf. The kid comes off as pompous, hes had that rep around circles before he was even drafted into the OHL.

But one player was labeled as difficult and ended up being abused. So we should never believe execs again. Always believe the player, isnt that right?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You are the king of stretching stories on here so its not really a misinterpretation. I mean you literally tried to claim Othmann didnt make Team Canada because Canada never went to the USA to watch him play…Team Canada doesn’t like the way he carries himself, why do you have to sit here and make excuses on the kids behalf. The kid comes off as pompous, hes had that rep around circles before he was even drafted into the OHL.

But one player was labeled as difficult and ended up being abused. So we should never believe execs again. Always believe the player, isnt that right?

The problem is that hockey execs are super conservative. Forget about Beach. Hockey is an incredibly conservative sport, look at the NFL where they do a dance every time they score. If a hockey player did that they'd probably be questioned in how they carry themselves as well. Remember how Don Cherry would criticize anyone that showed any personality during goal celebrations. Handling themselves well in hockey circles has nothing to do with anything, it's a bunch of conservative old men that don't like irrelevant aspects of players' personalities. And I'm old school myself and am annoyed by football players but outside of extreme cases it really doesn't matter.

 

[wings5]

As Othmann will still probably not be NHL ready next season, it would be nice if he used his Swiss passport and played in the NLA

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

As Othmann will still probably not be NHL ready next season, it would be nice if he used his Swiss passport and played in the NLA

That's not possible unless Flint releases him. The only thing they can do is have him play in the AHL on an amateur try-out for the remainder of the season, once Flint is eliminated from the play offs.

 

[wings5]

That's not possible unless Flint releases him. The only thing they can do is have him play in the AHL on an amateur try-out for the remainder of the season, once Flint is eliminated from the play offs.

He should be able to be loaned to a European club like last season unless I'm mistaken. Bu yeah it's almost impossible that Flint loans him out again like last season, just wishful thinking lol

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He should be able to be loaned to a European club like last season unless I'm mistaken. Bu yeah it's almost impossible that Flint loans him out again like last season, just wishful thinking lol

The only way that happened is because the season was on hold, and later cancelled.

Flint isn't releasing him for nothing when he fills seats in their arena and helps them win games. OHL is a business.

 

[wings5]

The only way that happened is because the season was on hold, and later cancelled.

Flint isn't releasing him for nothing when he fills seats in their arena and helps them win games. OHL is a business.

I was thinking about past Euro example i.e players who went back home to Europe after playing in the CHL but yes you are right OHL agreements are typically binding for others