Lost human cilvilizations?

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Terrance Howard is not completely crazy but if his theory was right that all planets come out of stars that would mean every single planet in the universe was once in the goldie locks zone. All may have been able to sustain life of some type. just thinking that is wild. lol
 

I'm not going to watch it but I laughed when I saw the screen cap on Netflix. Moai statues? That's not a good indication of the quality of the show as while it may not be general knowledge we know exactly how they were made & moved into place, and there's nothing ancient about it.

There's an air of mystery about Easter Island because first European explores and later South American Hispanics ****ed the place up so badly there was at the lowest point maybe only a dozen original Rapa Nui people left, that rampant myth & speculation took over for a few centuries. But very recently the actual history has more or less been reconstructed, a good example there's a great history youtube channel/podcast called Fall of Civilizations, and they did an episode on the Rapa Nui:



Recalling from memory, they were Polynesian and we know how the Polynesian spread. There was a central quarry on the island where the men of various villages would gather to carve the statues, a project that took years and was basically one big bro competition - keeping the island peaceful and without war. Early explorers were baffled at how these giant statues got moved to the coast, and asking the locals got the ambigious answer 'they walked'. Which was more or less correct as what they did was use ropes to wobble the statues back and forth slowly inching them towards the coast. From the above video I believe some guys in the UK were able to successfully replicate the process.

I don't know the content of the Netflix show but anyone watching it should keep in mind that there is be a lot of confusion on the topic and ample ammunation for Hancock because for centuries it's history was written by Europeans who viewed the Americas as untamed wilderness and its inhabitants tribal savages, but it's only the last few decades that we've started to understand the actual breadth and scope of what existed here before contact. A lot of the previous conception was because we didn't understand the scope of the death toll that 'Old World' disease brought to these shores, but today we estimate about 95% of the population on the two continents were wiped out and the societies/civilizations that existed largeley reclaimed by wilderness by the time Europeans started spreading out.
 
I'm not going to watch it but I laughed when I saw the screen cap on Netflix. Moai statues? That's not a good indication of the quality of the show as while it may not be general knowledge we know exactly how they were made & moved into place, and there's nothing ancient about it.

There's an air of mystery about Easter Island because first European explores and later South American Hispanics ****ed the place up so badly there was at the lowest point maybe only a dozen original Rapa Nui people left, that rampant myth & speculation took over for a few centuries. But very recently the actual history has more or less been reconstructed, a good example there's a great history youtube channel/podcast called Fall of Civilizations, and they did an episode on the Rapa Nui:



Recalling from memory, they were Polynesian and we know how the Polynesian spread. There was a central quarry on the island where the men of various villages would gather to carve the statues, a project that took years and was basically one big bro competition - keeping the island peaceful and without war. Early explorers were baffled at how these giant statues got moved to the coast, and asking the locals got the ambigious answer 'they walked'. Which was more or less correct as what they did was use ropes to wobble the statues back and forth slowly inching them towards the coast. From the above video I believe some guys in the UK were able to successfully replicate the process.

I don't know the content of the Netflix show but anyone watching it should keep in mind that there is be a lot of confusion on the topic and ample ammunation for Hancock because for centuries it's history was written by Europeans who viewed the Americas as untamed wilderness and its inhabitants tribal savages, but it's only the last few decades that we've started to understand the actual breadth and scope of what existed here before contact. A lot of the previous conception was because we didn't understand the scope of the death toll that 'Old World' disease brought to these shores, but today we estimate about 95% of the population on the two continents were wiped out and the societies/civilizations that existed largeley reclaimed by wilderness by the time Europeans started spreading out.

Early on in this video the narrator talks of incomplete evidence and big holes in it's story. Most of the information is based on European accounts. Like with most civilizations there is a lot of theoretical explanations. Hancock just has his own angle. Either way it all makes for interesting dialogue.
 
OMFG

when I open a thread about science and see slopehead TRUMPER Joe Rogan on the first post i know that "science" isn't going to be a thing that is actually discussed in the thread. GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA AND READ SOME ACTUAL f***ING BOOKS.
You actually opened a "thread" named lost civilizations. You are a very angry poster if this is all it took for you to lose ot. Lol
 
Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson theorize that this is one of the 2 meteor shows each year earth passed through in the past where large debris hit earth 11,600 years ago and was the trigger that started melting the ice caps rapidly and wiping our an advanced civilization.

Its a cool theory.
 
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OMFG

when I open a thread about science and see slopehead TRUMPER Joe Rogan on the first post i know that "science" isn't going to be a thing that is actually discussed in the thread. GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA AND READ SOME ACTUAL f***ING BOOKS.
Meanwhile the scientists you follow don't understand basic human biology taught in 4th grade, or they fail to acknowledge it. Whatever you prefer.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a lot of mainstream "science" is a billion dollar business, when you understand how money works you'll understand the "science" and why certain narratives are pushed so hard. Everything is being exposed now which is awesome, even Zuckerberg came forward and told how he was being threatened to push certain narratives or he'd face consequences by the Biden administration.



In particular the Hancock documentary/podcasts raise some really good questions

Graham Hancock makes a lot of good points but asks even better questions. Conventional science doesn't answer a lot of these. Like how they built the pyramids in Egypt specifically the Giza , how they cut and carried the stone, how they lined it up 100% with true north, or that they built it on the exact center of the Earth, how the weathering on the stones suggests it is significantly older than what "scientists" say

The show is very interesting, it's not just a guy saying this is what happened. He's mostly asking questions and exploring alternative views which is healthy in a discussion, especially a scientific one.

Your political bias is preventing you from learning.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble but a lot of mainstream "science" is a billion dollar business, when you understand how money works you'll understand the "science" and why certain narratives are pushed so hard.
Can you elaborate further on this and maybe provide some specific examples?

I've listened to a decent amount of Hancock's theories and the guy's whole M.O. is he doesn't debate actual professionals in the field because they're close-minded and pushing a narrative. Which basically eliminates him from authoritative criticism and, in my opinion, makes what he says exploitive conjecture.

I just find the notion that there's this cabal centered around the Egyptians to be absurd and that some author, who isn't a studied expert in the field, knows something that literal centuries of scientific researchers were not able to figure out.
 
I love the "a lot of mainstream "science" is a billion dollar business, when you understand how money works you'll understand the "science" Bullshit...

Science is not a monolith. It's thousands upon thousands of professors students and grad students out in the field, gathering data, analysing it, publishing it, arguing over it, offering explanations, debating the results, and changing thier attitudes, approaches and methodology as new information becomes available.

as for the "money" ...sure lots of disciplines have big dollars attached.....like the Drug companies....or the advanced engineering programs. aerospace, advanced electronics .... but again...it's the retail and sales end where the Big money is not the science. A drug company spends 10-15 million on research and grosses 10 BILLION in sales.

but Archeology? LOL

profs make a decent wage.. about 120K-150K a year.maybe at a big school? 250K. If they are super lucky and they hit a big deal with a book?(vast majority do not ever) maybe a few million for the book and speaking engagements etc... .....

the idea there is this big money monolith purposely foisting an ideology upon the world for "REASONS" is a hilarious.
 
Can you elaborate further on this and maybe provide some specific examples?

I've listened to a decent amount of Hancock's theories and the guy's whole M.O. is he doesn't debate actual professionals in the field because they're close-minded and pushing a narrative. Which basically eliminates him from authoritative criticism and, in my opinion, makes what he says exploitive conjecture.

I just find the notion that there's this cabal centered around the Egyptians to be absurd and that some author, who isn't a studied expert in the field, knows something that literal centuries of scientific researchers were not able to figure out.
In regards to main stream science being a business, here are 2 fairly simple examples which are relative to today.

There's only 2 genders, main stream science or media denies this and pushes the idea that it is something that can be changed or that there are numerous genders. Reason ? Surgeries cost thousands of dollars and the people who get them, are stuck on meds for the rest of their life. Big pharma consumers for the rest of their life.

Do you believe their science that chemical castration + using exogenous hormones can change someones gender ? No it doesn't everyone and their neighbor knows this, but it's being pushed as a science. Why ? Massive amounts of money to be made through selling drugs + surgeries.

The covid situation, I was personally effected as my father passed away from it plus my business got shut down. We now know, it was our tax dollars that was sent to big pharma for "research" we funded the development of the vaccine, our own tax dollars were then once again sent to purchase said vaccine, from the manufacturers like Pfizer/Moderna, who solid the vaccine at an approximately 2000% profit.

So we paid for the creation of it, then we paid big pharma to receive it. We funded it, they profited it from it. Billionaires like Gates were heavily pushing for the vaccine and told us it prevents transmission, we now know that was false. A day before Gates announced that the vaccine doesn't work effectively, he dumped all his Pfizer stock which he was buying up while telling the public that it works (which he profited billions from)

We have actual emails from the US government which was threatening big social media platforms like Twitter/Facebook, to censor and silence anything that critiqued covid/vaccine or any legitimate doctor who was giving advice on what foods to eat that could help fight off covid infections naturally.

These drug companies also finance colleges/universities teaching Med.

That is how mainstream "science" is a billion dollar business, I wasn't referring to archaeology how the poster above me is suggesting, I was very sure to say "science" but clearly some people don't care to read before they talk.

So these are the so called scientists/institutes he and many other people trust, it's a shame.



Now I don't know how or when the ancients built older structures, but I do know that if it was discovered, it would make several industries completely obsolete. If there was a way like how Nikola Tesla was suggesting and studying, free energy transmitted through the air, what happens to big oil companies or energy providers ? If you introduce a new product, a more efficient product, which costs a fraction of the price or might not cost anything at all, you completely destroy their "empires" or industry. When you have gigantic companies that profit heavily off of people relying on their product, guess what their main interest is going to be ? To make sure they protect their product, if oil, or machinery or whatever it is becomes obsolete, their asset value becomes nearly 0.

A little extra, all of Nikola Tesla's models where he was able to generate electricity through earths magnetic field, results in a pyramid shape, all of his work was seized by the US government.

As for Hancock and archaeology he asks a lot of good questions, he's not saying that Mayans or Egyptians built Pyramids using X method, he simply challenges the mainstream narrative. Like how they have shown that the weathering on the Sphinx is caused by water erosion, not wind. Last time it rained in that region, that heavily, was approximately 12000 years ago, yet mainstream archaeology says the Pyramids and Sphinx are only 4000 ish years old. Obviously the evidence shows that, that isn't true. Plus the fact that there are no records, oral or written that mention who built them and how.

Again Hancock isn't saying that he knows exactly how old the pyramids are or how they are created, he simply presents evidence that proves that the mainstream narrative about how old they are is completely false. His main theory is that of the Younger Dryas, a cataclysmic event which wiped out a large chunk of life and human life on our planet. There's evidence of it all over the globe, different continents.

There are several ancient sites he refers to which all have a very sophisticated way of building structures, many we can't even replicate today. But the mainstream archaeology is suggesting they were simply hunter/gatherers, but somehow they were able to create massive monuments clearly demonstrating a high understanding of math/science and it's supposed to just be a coincidence ? I don't buy it.

Let's take the Mayan pyramid chichen itza for example, I visited it, it's a massive structure which is fully aligned with the cardinal directions. However at the top of the pyramid, there is a temple which is slightly offset from North/South etc. We know know, that the temple isn't "offset" rather the temple is facing True magnetic North/East/West/South, but we're supposed to believe that it is just a coincidence and also that these people built the structure as simple hunter gatherers ? They also have numerous little temples and shrines which line up with the sun on both Equinoxes exactly, but we are supposed to believe they were just hunter gatherers living in jungles/forests that accidentally made these advanced structures that all coincidentally seem to be aligned with the sun/moon and objects in space. But forest people, with no understanding of math or the universe accidentally built all these structures to coincidentally line up with celestial objects and events.

The giza pyramid is even more interesting, that one would be way too much for me to try and explain on text here. All I'm saying is, it's worth reading/watching, as he raises some very good questions.

Not sure why dude above me is so triggered lol
 
Grade six was the last time you understood "Science class" wasn't it? Almost everything you say "science doesn't explain" is in fact easily researched and answered by archeology and "science"(whatever you think that means). it's not even hard to find the information.....

But quoting podcasts and click bait headlines is easier than going to a library and reading peer reviewed articles isn't it?

Hancock is a kook who uses your ignorance against you. Ignorance that allows him to to make outlandish claims to help sell his books to idiots. "A fool and his money" after all.....

Get wise, and learn some basic academic skepticism , learn the principles of the Scientific Method, and you won't be a target for this stupidity.
Please show me how/when the Giza pyramid was built and by who

Please show me how/when the ancient Mayan structures were built and by who

Should be fairly easily right ? Considering you're wise and all

Putting the word stupidity at the end of your post was the chefs kiss :laugh:
 
In regards to main stream science being a business, here are 2 fairly simple examples which are relative to today.

There's only 2 genders, main stream science or media denies this and pushes the idea that it is something that can be changed or that there are numerous genders. Reason ? Surgeries cost thousands of dollars and the people who get them, are stuck on meds for the rest of their life. Big pharma consumers for the rest of their life.

Do you believe their science that chemical castration + using exogenous hormones can change someones gender ? No it doesn't everyone and their neighbor knows this, but it's being pushed as a science. Why ? Massive amounts of money to be made through selling drugs + surgeries.

The covid situation, I was personally effected as my father passed away from it plus my business got shut down. We now know, it was our tax dollars that was sent to big pharma for "research" we funded the development of the vaccine, our own tax dollars were then once again sent to purchase said vaccine, from the manufacturers like Pfizer/Moderna, who solid the vaccine at an approximately 2000% profit.

So we paid for the creation of it, then we paid big pharma to receive it. We funded it, they profited it from it. Billionaires like Gates were heavily pushing for the vaccine and told us it prevents transmission, we now know that was false. A day before Gates announced that the vaccine doesn't work effectively, he dumped all his Pfizer stock which he was buying up while telling the public that it works (which he profited billions from)

We have actual emails from the US government which was threatening big social media platforms like Twitter/Facebook, to censor and silence anything that critiqued covid/vaccine or any legitimate doctor who was giving advice on what foods to eat that could help fight off covid infections naturally.

These drug companies also finance colleges/universities teaching Med.

That is how mainstream "science" is a billion dollar business, I wasn't referring to archaeology how the poster above me is suggesting, I was very sure to say "science" but clearly some people don't care to read before they talk.

So these are the so called scientists/institutes he and many other people trust, it's a shame.



Now I don't know how or when the ancients built older structures, but I do know that if it was discovered, it would make several industries completely obsolete. If there was a way like how Nikola Tesla was suggesting and studying, free energy transmitted through the air, what happens to big oil companies or energy providers ? If you introduce a new product, a more efficient product, which costs a fraction of the price or might not cost anything at all, you completely destroy their "empires" or industry. When you have gigantic companies that profit heavily off of people relying on their product, guess what their main interest is going to be ? To make sure they protect their product, if oil, or machinery or whatever it is becomes obsolete, their asset value becomes nearly 0.

A little extra, all of Nikola Tesla's models where he was able to generate electricity through earths magnetic field, results in a pyramid shape, all of his work was seized by the US government.

As for Hancock and archaeology he asks a lot of good questions, he's not saying that Mayans or Egyptians built Pyramids using X method, he simply challenges the mainstream narrative. Like how they have shown that the weathering on the Sphinx is caused by water erosion, not wind. Last time it rained in that region, that heavily, was approximately 12000 years ago, yet mainstream archaeology says the Pyramids and Sphinx are only 4000 ish years old. Obviously the evidence shows that, that isn't true. Plus the fact that there are no records, oral or written that mention who built them and how.

Again Hancock isn't saying that he knows exactly how old the pyramids are or how they are created, he simply presents evidence that proves that the mainstream narrative about how old they are is completely false. His main theory is that of the Younger Dryas, a cataclysmic event which wiped out a large chunk of life and human life on our planet. There's evidence of it all over the globe, different continents.

There are several ancient sites he refers to which all have a very sophisticated way of building structures, many we can't even replicate today. But the mainstream archaeology is suggesting they were simply hunter/gatherers, but somehow they were able to create massive monuments clearly demonstrating a high understanding of math/science and it's supposed to just be a coincidence ? I don't buy it.

Let's take the Mayan pyramid chichen itza for example, I visited it, it's a massive structure which is fully aligned with the cardinal directions. However at the top of the pyramid, there is a temple which is slightly offset from North/South etc. We know know, that the temple isn't "offset" rather the temple is facing True magnetic North/East/West/South, but we're supposed to believe that it is just a coincidence and also that these people built the structure as simple hunter gatherers ? They also have numerous little temples and shrines which line up with the sun on both Equinoxes exactly, but we are supposed to believe they were just hunter gatherers living in jungles/forests that accidentally made these advanced structures that all coincidentally seem to be aligned with the sun/moon and objects in space. But forest people, with no understanding of math or the universe accidentally built all these structures to coincidentally line up with celestial objects and events.

The giza pyramid is even more interesting, that one would be way too much for me to try and explain on text here. All I'm saying is, it's worth reading/watching, as he raises some very good questions.

Not sure why dude above me is so triggered lol
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"There's only 2 genders" WRONG since you have never actually studied gender science I can tell your opinions on archeology are probably not worth reading so I stopped there.

FYI....there are at least 5 Genders if you want to be pointlessly reductive.
1,Male 2. female 3. Male Genetically with Female exterior traits(breasts, and vaginas), 4.Female Genetically with Male traits( penis testes and no breast,) 5. what we used to call hermaphrodites or people with both/indeterminate sex organs and a multitude of gonad combinations functional and vestigial.

plus all the ..XXY XXX XYY etc....plus there are literally dozens of combinations that can occur(really millions because a wobble of the third codon during transcription is very common and can result in a multitude of transcription errors to the DNA of a cell.....
but that's just genetics...
add in hormonal variation and insensitivity, which isn't always dependant on either X or Y chromosomes...and there's another vast array of phenotypic genetic expressions. XX females with testes instead of ovaries, XY men with breasts and functioning testes and penises, people with one teste and one ovary, people with neither, or non functioning gonads... the list goes on.


so yeah...I won't be listening to the ignorant garbage you spew on any topic.
 
The thing that always makes me laugh about these wild theories is that there is this assumption that humans were stupid in the past. There is no real difference in intelligence between a human in 2600 BC and one today, the only differences appear from compounding technological progress. How did they build the Pyrimids? By using fairly standard / simple tools like ramps, levers, rollers, chisels, saws, and a ton of human labor.
 
The thing that always makes me laugh about these wild theories is that there is this assumption that humans were stupid in the past. There is no real difference in intelligence between a human in 2600 BC and one today, the only differences appear from compounding technological progress. How did they build the Pyrimids? By using fairly standard / simple tools like ramps, levers, rollers, chisels, saws, and a ton of human labor.
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There's literally 0 evidence that suggests that's how it was built, some people are just too invested in those ideas to let go

If that was the case there would be a record of it, oral/written or we'd be able to recreate it, but we can't

People are just reluctant to accept the idea that we don't know everything about human history and that there is a strong possibility of advanced civilizations existing before ours
 
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There's literally 0 evidence that suggests that's how it was built, some people are just too invested in those ideas to let go

If that was the case there would be a record of it, oral/written or we'd be able to recreate it, but we can't

People are just reluctant to accept the idea that we don't know everything about human history and that there is a strong possibility of advanced civilizations existing before ours
This level of delusion is impossible to interact with. Just because you do not understand something doesn't mean its not possible.
 
This level of delusion is impossible to interact with. Just because you do not understand something doesn't mean its not possible.
I think the argument is who actually understands it. If you say that fairly standard / simple tools like ramps, levers, rollers, chisels, saws, and a ton of human labor were all that were needed that doesn't explain the engineering required to build the greatest feat of mankind. If people can't determine how it was built then how would it be known what tools were needed?

What I don't understand is how a place like Gobekli Tepe can be built 12,000 years ago and then Stonehenge 5,500 years ago. 1000 years later they build the pyramids but nothing in between? Then you have the great pyramids of south America that are built From 3000 BCE to 800 BCE.

It's this weird Lets fit civilization into this tiny window so they can make all the pieces fit like round pegs into square holes.

The reason why I really enjoy Graham Hancock and Randle Carlsson is the way they compliment each other work one looking through the traditions of cultures whether it be folklore, religious, or mythology while the other looks at it from a geological/astronomical view and bring them together to present a very fascinating argument.

What if 11,000 plus years ago something almost wiped out life on the planet and forced people into caves as a result and cause a reboot of civilization?

Like with most of the homes we live in we moved in just Like I think the Egyptians did. Having been to the Louvre many times and most recently The British Museum the Egyptian artifacts were amazing. One thing that stood is how on many of the artifacts it looked like the hieroglyphs were put on well after and by less skilled people. The lack of symmetry and precision is very noticeable.
 

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This level of delusion is impossible to interact with. Just because you do not understand something doesn't mean its not possible.
It's clearly possible, I'm not sure what this even means lol. Just not possible to carve perfectly symmetrical statues or carve out 15 ton granite blocks/beams and carry them 1000 feet away and then elevate them over 400 feet up, using the methods suggested, especially by "simple farmers"

How did that civilization build those great structures and incorporate so much math and astronomy in them and then completely forget how to make them ? All of the pyramids built after the great one demonstrate a significantly lower skill level.

Again if they made those things with hand tools as people are suggesting, why can it not be replicated today?

Even for arguments sake, lets agree sure that the pyramid is 4000-5000 years old, the methods suggested still aren't viable to explain how it was built.

My main point was this, that Hancock raises some really good questions. Not even saying I fully believe his theory but when you look at evidence, like the precipitation induced weathering on the stones (when it hasn't rained in that region since the last ice age) how can you believe it was simply built by farmers using stones and hand tools 4000 years ago?

There are multiple ancient structures which all seem to have been abandoned at approximately the same time period, (roughly 12000 years ago) that are extremely sophisticated that we cannot reconstruct today.

Now even if you believe in coincidences, let's agree that it was all an accident for arguments sake. What do you think the actual probability of all of these things being true is ?




1) Simple farmers with hand/stone tools cut 2.3 million, 5-15 ton granite blocks, carried them from over 1000 feet away and built the pyramid, elevating the stones nearly 500 feet.

2) The Sphinx/Pyramid were built to line up with the equinox. The sun seems to set on the Sphinx's right shoulder on the equinox

3) A solar year has 86400 seconds, 2 equinoxes (43200 seconds per equinox) The exact height of the Pyramid multiplied by the amount of seconds in an equinox (43200) equals exactly the circumference of the earth

4) The sides of the pyramid are perfectly aligned with the True North and all the cardinal directions, perfectly

5) Many pyramids crumble because of the angle they're built on, it was built on 51 degrees which provides the maximum stability for a pyramid structure

6) The base of the pyramid is perfectly squared. If you've done any sort of work with interlocking, you'll know you need to use Pythagorean to square the structure to make sure it aligns properly. I did very basic work for some years and we always did A2 x B2 = C2 and moved in sections to make sure it aligns properly.
So obviously the people who built it had a strong understanding of math

7) The latitude of where the Pyramid is placed = the speed of light, just the decimal moved over. 29.9792458 N vs 299,792,458 m/s

8) The erosion on the stones is consistent with that of weathering from heavy rainfall

But simple farmers built it 4000 years ago and there's no record of it and they forgot how to do it ?
 

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