GDT: Los Angeles Kings at Anaheim Ducks - February 27, 2015 - 7:00 p.m. (PST)

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But it is starting to look broken this season. Stoll and Greene especially.

I kknow they are both big voices in the locker room but they just aren't good hockey players anymore. The play dies whenver it hits Stoll's stick and he's not elite in the faceoff circle like he used to be. Greene is too slow and can't keep up with the play or clear the crease down low while getting stuck in his own zone nearly every shift.

No matter what happens this off-season, there needs to be some retooling. We need a new 3C, whether Shore can move up and take that spot and Weal comes up, or if we look in free agency.

DDepending on Voynov I think one more defenseman this offseason might be necessary. McBain has probably played himself into a better ccontract and won't stick around. I think Forbort is ready to take that spot if Voynov doesn't come back.

Stoll is playing his way off this team so I agree. Greene has played the ENTIRE season above his role so of course he's gonna look bad. Imagine if Stoll was playing in Carter's role.

Shore isn't a 3C. Kings would need to look outside the organization. Possibly acquire one in a package with Voynov going the other way (just throwing ideas around).

Forbort will be eased into the lineup. McNabb had NHL experience already.
 
Stoll is playing his way off this team so I agree. Greene has played the ENTIRE season above his role so of course he's gonna look bad. Imagine if Stoll was playing in Carter's role.

Shore isn't a 3C. Kings would need to look outside the organization. Possibly acquire one in a package with Voynov going the other way (just throwing ideas around).

Forbort will be eased into the lineup. McNabb had NHL experience already.

I think Shore can be the 3C of the future, maybe not next year but i think in 2 years or so when he's completely adjusted to the NHL game. But maybe we should look at someone like Mathias or Santorelli if they make it to free agency this year. I would love Soderberg but I don't think we could afford him. Or maybe Richards magically finds his game again down in Manchester and takes Stoll's spot.

I'm still on the fence about Voynov returning if he's found not guilty. I don't see him coming back this season but with how far the organization has gone to back him I don't see why he wouldn't come back next year. But at the same time I wouldn't be shocked to see him be moved for a nice package at the draft.
 
"Three in four, but we just re-signed Jarret Stoll. That just ****ed our cap in 2019."

It's funny you say that in sarcasm because the same exact things were said here last June when Richards amazingly wasn't bought out. And not even a year later the Kings literally couldn't give him away for free and his cap hit has serious implications on the team for 2016.

You can choose to ignore or make fun of cap implications but the Kings have gotten better production from McBain and Shore at $1.6m than they got from Richards and Greene at $8m, if you don't think that is a big deal I don't know what to say.
 
That's why I love RP. Says more about how some people in this fan base think in just two short sentences. Absolutely nailed it.

I don't see what's so bad about looking to the near future. Sure 2 in 3 is nice but I think we can keep this going for a long time if the organization is smart about it.
 
It's funny you say that in sarcasm because the same exact things were said here last June when Richards amazingly wasn't bought out. And not even a year later the Kings literally couldn't give him away for free and his cap hit has serious implications on the team for 2016.

You can choose to ignore or make fun of cap implications but the Kings have gotten better production from McBain and Shore at $1.6m than they got from Richards and Greene at $8m, if you don't think that is a big deal I don't know what to say.

But that's the thing; if ****ing your cap five years from now can get you a cup, you have to do it. Looking back in five years going "wow that cup really ****ed us" is just silly.

DL is great but he's obviously not perfect. That's fine. 29 franchises would kill to have the last 3 years we have had and this chapter isn't even close to over yet. and in a few years we may suuuuuck but to shake your fist at a cloud going "man if only DL wouldn't have signed Stoll and Greene" is to deny the reality of a cap-world, vet-laden team.

I don't think ANYONE thought Richards, Gaborik, et. al. will be effective players in the dying years of their contracts, so let's not get there and say "I told you so."

Edit: I can't believe we have to sit in here and stand up for ****ing Dean Lombardi. After going 8-2. I'm going to step outside.
 
"Three in four, but we just re-signed Jarret Stoll. That just ****ed our cap in 2019."

I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. Three cups in four years lol we're barely hanging onto a playoff spot. Not to sound like a pessimist, but let's be realistic here. If we win a cup this year, Lombardi can re-sign Stoll for 10 years and bring back Ivanans and Westgarth for all I care.
 
Just for the record I'm not trying to criticize Dean Lombardi or worrying about the team 5 years from now. i'm just saying he will have some decisions to make this off-season and hopefully he doesn't let his loyalty blind him. I don't think he will this time after the Richards situation.
 
I don't see what's so bad about looking to the near future. Sure 2 in 3 is nice but I think we can keep this going for a long time if the organization is smart about it.

Because it's not realistic. This is not the NBA in the 1980s, or even the NHL during the same time period. This is the age of parity, and yet look at what the Kings have done. Anyone who CANT see that the Kings will be rebuilding in five years is just deluding themselves.
 
Also, why do people think Voynov has 1st round pick value? That whole situation is sticky, I honestly think he's seen his last days in the Kings organization and the NHL. There is 0 room for tolerance when it comes to domestic violence in the world of sports and in general. I think we need to take Voynov out of our minds and stop thinking about trading him or him coming back to the Kings. I think he's seen his last days in the NHL, to be honest.
 
Yeah, I'm sure Johnny walks around with a "2014 Cap Disaster Predictor Champions" shirt...

It's funny you say that in sarcasm because the same exact things were said here last June when Richards amazingly wasn't bought out. And not even a year later the Kings literally couldn't give him away for free and his cap hit has serious implications on the team for 2016.

You can choose to ignore or make fun of cap implications but the Kings have gotten better production from McBain and Shore at $1.6m than they got from Richards and Greene at $8m, if you don't think that is a big deal I don't know what to say.

Of course I think it's a big deal, but I trust Dean's intuition when he kept Richards. He's earned that from me. I could honestly care about Stoll. Greene, once he's knocked back down to his rightful spot (the bottom pairing), he'll be fine. Not worried about Greene at all.
 
Because it's not realistic. This is not the NBA in the 1980s, or even the NHL during the same time period. This is the age of parity, and yet look at what the Kings have done. Anyone who CANT see that the Kings will be rebuilding in five years is just deluding themselves.

Sure but I'm saying within the next 2 years or so. There's no reason we can't still be a major contender in 2016 and 2017 but I think some Moves will need to be made for the Kings to continue their streak of dominance
 
But that's the thing; if ****ing your cap five years from now can get you a cup, you have to do it. Looking back in five years going "wow that cup really ****ed us" is just silly.

Who is talking about five years from now, the Richards contract and to a lesser extent the Greene contract had serious implications right away. Remember not being able to ice a full roster for cap implications, well you wouldn't have that if you didn't give $8m to the #6 d-man and a fringe NHL'er.

And you are drastically overstating the value of Greene and Richards to the 2014 team, they were not make or break players, not even close, and they were both on the decline. Committing the years and money to those guys made no sense and was based clearly on loyalty and nothing to do with on ice play.
 
I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. Three cups in four years lol we're barely hanging onto a playoff spot. Not to sound like a pessimist, but let's be realistic here. If we win a cup this year, Lombardi can re-sign Stoll for 10 years and bring back Ivanans and Westgarth for all I care.

Don't forget John Zeiler!
 
Also, why do people think Voynov has 1st round pick value? That whole situation is sticky, I honestly think he's seen his last days in the Kings organization and the NHL. There is 0 room for tolerance when it comes to domestic violence in the world of sports and in general. I think we need to take Voynov out of our minds and stop thinking about trading him or him coming back to the Kings. I think he's seen his last days in the NHL, to be honest.

Mobile D with a pesky/physical side, right handed, and a solid contributor with 2 cups and a WCF under his belt at 25... If cleared you don't think that could go for a first?

Don't think any of this "Lombardi is too loyal stuff" is going to matter going forward. The cap is going to force Lombardi's hand. With the money being spent on defense next year, even without Regehr/Sekera, there looks like there isn't going to be enough money to get Richards or Stoll unless the cap hits something like 72M.
 
I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. Three cups in four years lol we're barely hanging onto a playoff spot. Not to sound like a pessimist, but let's be realistic here. If we win a cup this year, Lombardi can re-sign Stoll for 10 years and bring back Ivanans and Westgarth for all I care.

That's the point: that's what people were saying last year en route to cup #2.

Also, why do people think Voynov has 1st round pick value? That whole situation is sticky, I honestly think he's seen his last days in the Kings organization and the NHL. There is 0 room for tolerance when it comes to domestic violence in the world of sports and in general. I think we need to take Voynov out of our minds and stop thinking about trading him or him coming back to the Kings. I think he's seen his last days in the NHL, to be honest.

I think that if he does come back he absolutely has first round value. No one is banking on it, obviously, given the move for Sekera, but if he does, it's a bonus.

Who is talking about five years from now, the Richards contract and to a lesser extent the Greene contract had serious implications right away. Remember not being able to ice a full roster for cap implications, well you wouldn't have that if you didn't give $8m to the #6 d-man and a fringe NHL'er.

And you are drastically overstating the value of Greene and Richards to the 2014 team, they were not make or break players, not even close, and they were both on the decline. Committing the years and money to those guys made no sense and was based clearly on loyalty and nothing to do with on ice play.

I don't think you can possibly say that confidently given the razor-thin margin for error in our 2014 run. Each player had moments, even just off the top of my head Richards made the play vs. the Ducks in Game 1 and Greene was out there in the finals killing penalties in OT.

It's also hilarious to think that people are moaning about two point five million to our veteran cup winning leader defenseman. That has everything to do with loyalty, on-ice play, the fact that we just won the cup, and the market. Greene would have easily captured more to go to another team.

The Richards contract I can understand people being upset over, I can agree to disagree. But the Greene contract? I realize plenty were upset at the time about the term, but if there's a contract that handicaps us, it's not his. Immensely trade able too.

So much nitpicking. Obviously every move we make has huge cap implications at this point, that's unavoidable. But hey, at least Stoll is the latest scapegoat, not Brown.

Edit: and not being able to ice a full team had more to do with an unforeseeable situation and the NHL's incompetence than DL's mismanagement of anything to do with the cap.
 
Brown played fine. He was a key element in both Kings goals.
The four goals against I blame Sutter. He needed to call a time out, pull a goalie, anything to change the focus. It was like the players were expecting to lose the game. Too much time in our own end, not just clearing the puck, but instead making an extra pass and a turnover in our zone.
I hope the coaching staff plays this game on the plane, bus, hotel lobby and when the players try to rent movies in their rooms. Show them what happens when you coast
 
There's not a perfect GM anywhere in the league. There's no team that is in a perfect situation. The future all taken care of, a contending team on the ice, perfect contracts for every player, etc. It doesn't exist.

Lombardi could've bought Richards out last summer, let Greene walk, and re-signed Mitchell, and if Kopitar is still MIA on the road this year, what difference does it make?

Sure 2 in 3 is nice but

There's no but to that. And it's just nice? This is the Kings we're taking about. Prior to the Cups, a mostly irrelevant franchise for 40 years, except when they had maybe the greatest player in the history of the sport. 2 in 3 isn't just nice. It's what no fan could've rationally even dreamed of. They got beyond the 2nd round 1 time between 1968 and 2011. Between 1994 and 2011, the high point was one 1st round series win.
 
There's not a perfect GM anywhere in the league. There's no team that is in a perfect situation. The future all taken care of, a contending team on the ice, perfect contracts for every player, etc. It doesn't exist.

Lombardi could've bought Richards out last summer, let Greene walk, and re-signed Mitchell, and if Kopitar is still MIA on the road this year, what difference does it make?



There's no but to that. And it's just nice? This is the Kings we're taking about. Prior to the Cups, a mostly irrelevant franchise for 40 years, except when they had maybe the greatest player in the history of the sport. 2 in 3 isn't just nice. It's what no fan could've rationally even dreamed of. They got beyond the 2nd round 1 time between 1968 and 2011. Between 1994 and 2011, the high point was one 1st round series win.

This^ 100%.
 
Blatant troll thread was closed for a reason, folks.

Dude, you are killing me. If I can't spend a dark Saturday afternoon slamming a troll on HF Boards, I am going to have to be left with actually catching up on my work and my tax returns.

God help me.
 
Jay McClement has two goals tonight for Carolina, he'd be a great add for the Kings, he's a 3rd or 4th line Center who plays a lot of PK time.
 
Brown played fine. He was a key element in both Kings goals.
The four goals against I blame Sutter. He needed to call a time out, pull a goalie, anything to change the focus. It was like the players were expecting to lose the game. Too much time in our own end, not just clearing the puck, but instead making an extra pass and a turnover in our zone.
I hope the coaching staff plays this game on the plane, bus, hotel lobby and when the players try to rent movies in their rooms. Show them what happens when you coast

I feel the same way. Once the momentum swung after the game was tied and things just didn't seem right, the coaching staff just sat on their hands the rest of the game. We had total control of the puck for at least 35 seconds, Jones was still in net. It was only after the Ducks cleared the puck and we got it back was when he pulled him. I'm pretty sure Sutter pulled a goalie with 3 min left in a game before, why not then? Oh yeah, then Doughty tried to do it all by himself and turned it right over the next play. Game over.:shakehead
 

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