Los Angeles Carter+Fourth Liners Lose to Wings 2-3
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Exactly what I was thinking. Forbort played well against Flyers, not so well against Red Wings. Move on.
KingsFan7824
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That one was a direct pass. His other two assists were on faceoffs though.
19 games in, and Kopitar has 0 assists to any wingers. 2 on Carter goals, 1 on a Doughty goal. 1 assist at ES, 1 on the PP, and 1 SH. To be fair of course, Pearson is coming back from a leg injury, Lucic didn't click, Brown can't score, Gaborik can't do anything, and Lewis has 2 empty net goals to his name this year.
What then compounds that is Kopitar not shooting anymore. 9th on the team in shots, the 7th leading forward, and tied with Martinez. Not only is Lewis ahead of him, but he's a shot away from 3 defensemen being ahead of him too. McNabb isn't all that far behind him either. His wingers suck, and he refuses to shoot in order to make up the difference. Just gain the zone, twirl into the boards and away from the net, pass to the point.
This contract is going to be Lombardi's most difficult to do. When Brown got his contract, it was after the 2013 playoffs, but his 2013 regular season was good. Who knew he'd have less than 30 goals since October of 2013? Quick was coming off a Cup. Doughty was young, and that was before the winning.
Now, the Kings are coming off of last year. Kopitar is coming off a career low in goals last year. This year isn't looking any better for him so far. It might be a career low in assists and points this year, who knows. They'll be paying him more in his 30's than his 20's. The problem for Lombardi is, what choice does he have?
Just for one game I would like to see the collective mindset of HFBoards posters dictate game decisions. Should be funny as hell.
Sutter and his assistants have won two Stanley Cups (don't nitpick that we've had one change in assistants) in four seasons, and are contending for a third in five seasons. The team has a 12-7 record, which extended out to 82 games gives us 103 points, which is a safe bet to make the playoffs. In this division, that might actually be enough to end up in first place.
Some of you are spoiled rotten. Even those of you that have been through the lean times are leveling complaints at how the Kings do things. My God, we are talking about the Los Angeles Kings here. A team that was absolutely laughable at times just this past decade and with a history rich with blunders, bloopers, and pathetic seasons. Some of you have no idea what many of us have been through.
I could say "stop your crying, stop your ***** ing" but that isn't going to change anything. People will be people. Eh.
Sutter and his assistants have won two Stanley Cups (don't nitpick that we've had one change in assistants) in four seasons, and are contending for a third in five seasons. The team has a 12-7 record, which extended out to 82 games gives us 103 points, which is a safe bet to make the playoffs. In this division, that might actually be enough to end up in first place.
Some of you are spoiled rotten. Even those of you that have been through the lean times are leveling complaints at how the Kings do things. My God, we are talking about the Los Angeles Kings here. A team that was absolutely laughable at times just this past decade and with a history rich with blunders, bloopers, and pathetic seasons. Some of you have no idea what many of us have been through.
I could say "stop your crying, stop your ***** ing" but that isn't going to change anything. People will be people. Eh.
One more thing: losses happen. It's hockey.
Last time I checked, no one has gone perfect for an entire season.
Last time I checked, no one has gone perfect for an entire season.
I think it's hard to be a D in this league now and have to be compared to images of the bruising style D of years ago. They were allowed to hook more, hold more, interfere more, cross check more, etc. All of that is gone now, which makes it harder for a guy like Greene. Going forward, you're going to see guys that aren't so bruising, but do other things well. A question will start to be if size helps out a D anymore? I think it still does, for instance, teams can't bounce you off the puck as easily as a smaller player, and reach will help break up plays. But bigger guys are going to have to be able to skate fairly well, because you can't impede people in other ways. Hitting is completely overrated now. So, welcome to the newer soft league. It's here to stay.
SettlementRichie10
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Muzzin has been an absolute stud and Martinez is being a legit #4. Doughty's play has tailed off a bit, but I wonder how much of that has to do with McNabb, who looks like he could benefit from sitting and watching for a minute, but we probably don't have that luxury right now.
But just as a positive, we're still in the division lead, have the best goal differential and are tied for #2 in GA. 6-4 in our last 10 so that needs to trend more positive, but going 3-2 on this roadie would be good, I'd see 7 out of 10 points as a success.
But just as a positive, we're still in the division lead, have the best goal differential and are tied for #2 in GA. 6-4 in our last 10 so that needs to trend more positive, but going 3-2 on this roadie would be good, I'd see 7 out of 10 points as a success.
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This is what cracks me up about all the Forbort criticism. Go to just about any game thread a couple of years ago and the hate for Muzz was unbelievable. All it took was time to adjust to the speed of the NHL. Forbort absolutely has all the tools and he will adjust in due time.
ScoreZeGoals
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We were right there
McNabb too to some degree. We actually have a very young defense. Minus Ehrhoff (who I don't count
), who's the oldest, McBain or Martinez? There's gonna be hiccups, and we were spoiled by one of the best dcores of the past 10-15 years in 2012. I know it just maybe reminds people of the dark ages of Randy Jones when we have a horrendous turnover but there's much more good there than bad and I still get the feeling some folks need to see some of the defenses outside the top 5 around the league to understand what a team that needs REAL help looks like.
Frolov 6'3
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Well to be honest, Muzzin showed offensive awareness right away.
With Forbort you know this will never happen.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Let me say I agree 100%, but to me, Kopitar looks like he's starting to warm up, and Gaborik looks like he's trying really hard to turn the corner, he's been working insanely hard out there. Only a matter of time with those two.
I've been pumping Brown's tires forever but he needs to show me something, like, now, just like Gaborik and Kopitar.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Not in the offense zone, probably not. But the guy has literally some of the best breakout passes I've ever seen on this team, no joke. I do remember that being the scouting report. And he's at least serviceable in the offensive zone. Not gonna scare anyone though, I agree with that.
KingsFan7824
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They're different players. A coach is one thing, he's got a job to do, but fans can sometimes be unfair with young players. Forbort has played 7 NHL games. Muzzin played 11 games way back in 10-11, he didn't play a game with the Kings in 11-12, got more time in the AHL during the lockout, and only then did he get into the lineup starting in 2013. On top of that, if Mitchell and Greene aren't out that year, Muzzin may not have even gotten in as many games as he did.
deeshamrock
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Just how long has it been since that last W in Motown
Dennis Bernstein @DennisTFP · 15h15 hours ago
Hockeytown House of Horrors for Kings. 7 straight L, last King to score a Game Winning Goal at the Joe: Alexei Ponikarovsky
Frolov 6'3
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Well you dont have to convince me. I have no problem with Forbort right now.
Just saying Muzzin had more tools.
Yes I know there was still a lot of hate, but if you read between the lines people were more willing (not me btw) to accept his mistakes because there was still his offense.
Frolov 6'3
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That cant be right, the Kings won in December 2010 with 5-0 @ Detroit and March 2011 with 2-1.
They havent played 7 more times over there, so how could it be 7 straight losses at the Joe ?
edit: he's right. I stand corrected.
No you don't. Forbort has an accurate low shot that he gets through. He has also shown considerable skill at keeping the puck in at the blueline.
Nobody wants to wait for players to reach their potential when the team is in win now mode, I get that. Once he gets through the Sutter hazing and he gains the necessary confidence, he will be a stud D.
No they weren't. In fact they hated his offense. It was pretty much "bad pinch" every other post.
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How could Blake have known?
deeshamrock
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Jon Rosen @lakingsinsider · 22m22 minutes ago
Hi from Raleigh. No changes shown. Weal extra on Kopitar's line; Forbort, McBain together on their first D-retrieval
Hi from Raleigh. No changes shown. Weal extra on Kopitar's line; Forbort, McBain together on their first D-retrieval
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Sure. Muzzin is probably the most talented overall defensemen the Kings have had outside of Doughty since whenever.
I think that's the case with most fans and players. If you're doing something offensively to cancel out other things, that's at least something. The closer you get to your own goal, the bigger the mistake becomes. If goalies make a mistake, it's in the net. Defensemen make a mistake, it's a great chance against. Forward makes a mistake, there are still two layers behind him to clean up the mess.
