OT: Los Angeles Angels Talk

[SoCal Dreaming]

Which is worst? Angels trade deadline or Ducks Free Agency?

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Which is worst? Angels trade deadline or Ducks Free Agency?

The Angels’ free agency on its own is worse than the Ducks free agency, and that’s before we get into the fact that Martin Madden’s crew is infinitely better than the Angels scouting staff across 3 different general managers

 

[GreatBear]

EDIT with this. Fitting that on one of the most pivotal failures of a day in franchise history, the man who Arte went to bat for more than any other signing since Pujols cements himself as perhaps the worst contract in team history

https://x.com/i/web/status/1818384952104526141

Now that is an interesting topic, which is the worst signing that Arte ever made. Rendon certainly would be one possibility, also Hamilton is probably the signing that would get my vote. Ugh.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Which is worst? Angels trade deadline or Ducks Free Agency?

The Ducks are far superior as an organization in terms of how it's run, unlike Arte MorDumbass they atleast recognized the status quo isn't good enough and it's time to reload the organization with young talent, our owners have seemed to invest in things like infrastructure whereas the angels are constantly rated as being in the stone age still.


Arte has completely destroyed my enjoyment of the team it's to the point where I feel like he's trying to major league the team so he can move it

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Now that is an interesting topic, which is the worst signing that Arte ever made. Rendon certainly would be one possibility, also Hamilton is probably the signing that would get my vote. Ugh.

I’d probably give it to Hamilton as well, but the last two years of his antics have made this decision a lot more uncomfortable

 

[JAHV]

I’d probably give it to Hamilton as well, but the last two years of his antics have made this decision a lot more uncomfortable

I can see that, although not paying attention outside the actual games (which I don't even do any more) has made Rendon more tolerable. Hamilton is probably the worst signing, although Gary Matthews Jr. is up there.

Special mention for Vernon Wells who wasn't a signing but was probably the worst contract in the game when Moreno allowed Scioscia to ditch Napoli for him.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Now that is an interesting topic, which is the worst signing that Arte ever made. Rendon certainly would be one possibility, also Hamilton is probably the signing that would get my vote. Ugh.

IMO, the worst signing is Hamilton for several reasons. Back in the Hamilton FA era, signing a player of his caliber would cost a team their 1st round pick. Signing Hamilton cost the Angels their first round for 2013. In today's era, teams no longer lose a first round pick.

1. Owner Arte, not GM Dipoto, signed Pujols as a FA in 2011. That would cost the Angels their 2012 first round pick. But Arte came away with $3 billion for a 20-year contract with Fox Sports West with the signing of Pujols.
2. Signing Hambone cost the Angels their 2013 first round pick. That's two, consecutive first round picks lost due to owner Arte, which significantly impacts the collection of farm team talent. That means in Dipoto had only two 1st round picks in four drafts.
3. The Angels were lacking pitching talent in their system and at the MLB level.
4. GM Dipoto traded for starting Ace pitcher Greinke in-season to avoid costing the Angels their 2013 first round pick.
5. The Angels gave up a lot of talent to acquire Greinke, which included future all-star SS Jean Segura. All that talent traded away was wasted.
6. Greinke wanted $25 mil per year, but owner Arte wanted to give that $25 mil per year to slugger Hamilton.

Last year's TDL, the Angels should have traded away Ohtani and replenish the Angels' farm system. Owner Arte did not want to do it and also knew he would not try to retain Ohtani. That's pretty messed up of an owner who is unwilling to help his organization in order to looked good momentarily by not trading away Ohtani.

Then this year's TDL, the Angels could have added more talent. But I dunno who to blame, Arte or GM Minisian... especially after Minisian couldn't sign the 3rd round pick. WTF?!

Need a new owner and GM.

 

[Deuce22]

IMO, the worst signing is Hamilton for several reasons. Back in the Hamilton FA era, signing a player of his caliber would cost a team their 1st round pick. Signing Hamilton cost the Angels their first round for 2013. In today's era, teams no longer lose a first round pick.

1. Owner Arte, not GM Dipoto, signed Pujols as a FA in 2011. That would cost the Angels their 2012 first round pick. But Arte came away with $3 billion for a 20-year contract with Fox Sports West with the signing of Pujols.
2. Signing Hambone cost the Angels their 2013 first round pick. That's two, consecutive first round picks lost due to owner Arte, which significantly impacts the collection of farm team talent. That means in Dipoto had only two 1st round picks in four drafts.
3. The Angels were lacking pitching talent in their system and at the MLB level.
4. GM Dipoto traded for starting Ace pitcher Greinke in-season to avoid costing the Angels their 2013 first round pick.
5. The Angels gave up a lot of talent to acquire Greinke, which included future all-star SS Jean Segura. All that talent traded away was wasted.
6. Greinke wanted $25 mil per year, but owner Arte wanted to give that $25 mil per year to slugger Hamilton.

Last year's TDL, the Angels should have traded away Ohtani and replenish the Angels' farm system. Owner Arte did not want to do it and also knew he would not try to retain Ohtani. That's pretty messed up of an owner who is unwilling to help his organization in order to looked good momentarily by not trading away Ohtani.

Then this year's TDL, the Angels could have added more talent. But I dunno who to blame, Arte or GM Minisian... especially after Minisian couldn't sign the 3rd round pick. WTF?!

Need a new owner and GM.

Ohtani made Arte a lot of money at the end of last year. The failure to trade him revealed the true priority of Moreno’s organization. Minasian is someone who would take the job and follow orders. The best in the business wouldn’t.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Label the Samuelis however you'd like, but no franchise in professional sports does petty cheapness like these clowns. They've perfected the art form.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Label the Samuelis however you'd like, but no franchise in professional sports does petty cheapness like these clowns. They've perfected the art form.

That's embarrassing.

 

[freikugel]

Label the Samuelis however you'd like, but no franchise in professional sports does petty cheapness like these clowns. They've perfected the art form.

Rengifo's not an aging reliever, Perry Minasian has had a top 10 payroll almost every year but has consistently posted worse records year after year, even a franchise worse last year. Also, every year they claim they're going to spend and compete and well... lol. Until that team changes hands I'm checked out on them, they're probably going to lose 90+ games again once Trout inevitably goes down with an injury.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Rengifo's not an aging reliever, Perry Minasian has had a top 10 payroll almost every year but has consistently posted worse records year after year, even a franchise worse last year. Also, every year they claim they're going to spend and compete and well... lol. Until that team changes hands I'm checked out on them, they're probably going to lose 90+ games again once Trout inevitably goes down with an injury.

Years ago on AngelsWin I got jumped on for saying Trout is injury prone after he had back to back injury reduced seasons. He also has a back condition like Cayden Lindstrom but he got it in his 30s as opposed to 18.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Sasaki follows Ohtani. I wonder if we accepted to match the FA offer Ohtani got, then would the Sasaki have followed Ohtani to Anaheim?!

But damn, the Dodgers are a super team for years on end. Yeah, I'm mad jelly!

 

[GreatBear]

The Clippers under Sterling were an NBA team in name only, certainly not on the court. It took new ownership for the Clippers to become respectable, and even having an outside chance at becoming champions. The same is going to be true for the Angels until Arte sells the team. Until then I equate the Angles with the Clippers under Sterling. They are not worth my time to even watch them for free.

 

[Deuce22]

Sasaki follows Ohtani. I wonder if we accepted to match the FA offer Ohtani got, then would the Sasaki have followed Ohtani to Anaheim?!

But damn, the Dodgers are a super team for years on end. Yeah, I'm mad jelly!

Aren't excited about Kikuchi?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Aren't excited about Kikuchi?

You are not an Angels fan.

 

[Deuce22]

You are not an Angels fan.

Nope

 

[tomd]

You are not an Angels fan.

At this point, why would anyone be?

 

[Rooch]

Sell the team, Arte.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Nope

So why are you trolling?

 

[freikugel]

Aren't excited about Kikuchi?

I'm more excited about the AL West becoming noticeably weaker than anything the Angels have done, they're still probably going to finish near the bottom of the standings however.

At this point, why would anyone be?

Been a fan of them and the Ducks since I was old enough to talk really, I'd sooner rather stop being a fan of baseball and that's kind of the way it's heading. Were it not for me not wanting to waste the rest of Trout's career even more I'd be hoping for a long lockout at this point.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

At this point, why would anyone be?

Same reason why we're still posting on this board as Ducks fans.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Been a fan of them and the Ducks since I was old enough to talk really, I'd sooner rather stop being a fan of baseball and that's kind of the way it's heading. Were it not for me not wanting to waste the rest of Trout's career even more I'd be hoping for a long lockout at this point.

Aside from the obvious problem being the ownership (but we're not alone in that dept in the MLB) and ownership's meddling preferences, I'm looking forward to our youths: SS Neto, C O'Hoppe, 1B Schanuel, P Joyce, P Silseth, P Detmers, 2B Moore, and the #2 pick in the 2025 draft (there's a few top college players to choose from).

Trout has been made out of glass in the last four out of five years, playing over 100 games in a season once. In that 2022 season, he put up a 6.0 WAR. Trout will have to eventually cede playing CF to a corner to try to keep him healthy longer.

If Trout can remain healthy and Soler can regain his 2023 season of banging homers hitting behind Trout, then there's a possibility the Angels can improve their RS (Runs Scored) by a lot.

The pitching dept isn't great. Detmers needs to rebound. Kikuchi is an okay band aid, but the Angels also thought they got a good band aid with Tyler Anderson.

I just hope to see .500 again. We'll get new ownership eventually. Maybe the Samueli's could be in the running.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Aren't excited about Kikuchi?

$21M AAV for a guy who has never posted a 2 WAR season and whose only extended run of consistency is that 10 start run post-trade deadline he had with the Astros last season. To me, it’s a terrible gamble, but I guess it’s what you have to do when you’re a bad organization who ignored starting pitching even when they were competitive and haven’t developed a homegrown front-end starter in 15 years

 

[Deuce22]

So why are you trolling?

Do I have to be an Angel fan to post on the Angel thread? Are you the gatekeeper?

Aside from the obvious problem being the ownership (but we're not alone in that dept in the MLB) and ownership's meddling preferences, I'm looking forward to our youths: SS Neto, C O'Hoppe, 1B Schanuel, P Joyce, P Silseth, P Detmers, 2B Moore, and the #2 pick in the 2025 draft (there's a few top college players to choose from).

Trout has been made out of glass in the last four out of five years, playing over 100 games in a season once. In that 2022 season, he put up a 6.0 WAR. Trout will have to eventually cede playing CF to a corner to try to keep him healthy longer.

If Trout can remain healthy and Soler can regain his 2023 season of banging homers hitting behind Trout, then there's a possibility the Angels can improve their RS (Runs Scored) by a lot.

The pitching dept isn't great. Detmers needs to rebound. Kikuchi is an okay band aid, but the Angels also thought they got a good band aid with Tyler Anderson.

I just hope to see .500 again. We'll get new ownership eventually. Maybe the Samueli's could be in the running.

New ownership is the key. Moreno showed his true colors when he refused to trade Ohtani for future pieces. He's about enriching himself, not winning baseball games.