Confirmed with Link: Logan Stanley 2 years 1.25 million

[Adam da bomb]

Yup - the coaches have options but still play him. I'm seeing what they are. He's far from perfect but he does a lot of things right and the coaches (and stats - though I don't use those in my argument) seem to agree.

Again last night he was making smart decisions and good exit passes, a really underrated part of his game.

He also had a couple of gaffes - but show me bottom pair guys who don't. I'd understand the hand wringing if the coaching staff were playing him as a top 4 guy but they aren't.

I hope he keeps building on this and growing his confidence. Size is only one small part of what makes a defenseman effective, but all things being equal having size is an advantage and no one will ever convince me different - it's simply physics (if of course the size is being used properly).

Stan is getting better at using his size. He'll always get some penalties for being big, we saw that with Buff all the time.

Also, he was part of the team that absolutely shut down the Avs last night. Even when they had sustained pressure, the puck was always on the outside and they rarely got any gravy ice or opportunities in the middle.

Coghlan had a bit of a rough game cause guess what? He's a bottom pair/ 7 guy just like Stanely. I hope we can keep both of them because they have different skillsets and it's nice to have options.

The second line should take him out for a steak dinner, because we can focus on how much he “sucks” and not focus on them.
As we need something to complain about so may as well complain about tree, the bigger and worse the better. Hatred of Tree unites the fans.
I mean if we didn’t have that what’s there to complain about other than the dreaded playoffs results.

 

[Buffdog]

Sure. And that was the wrong thing to do. Somebody overrated Schmidt. I did express doubt about acquiring Schmidt. Pretty sure I mentioned Kovacevic though maybe not. Doubt anyone else did. So what? Were we given a vote?

Pretty sure I'm remembering this both accurately and objectively.

My point is that you've formed your opinion through hindsight, which is an unfair way to judge what the organization did at the time

Yes, the decision looks badly today. Sometimes decisions do. But that doesn't mean it was bad at the time, based on the info they had. We all do it in our lives all the time.

Nope. That's about where I see him. Problem is that he plays every game when we are healthy.

Fleury was ahead of him when he was healthy, and I hope he is again when he returns

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Here's the thing -
When someone comes out and says Stan had a good game or a decent period, that is not defending him - that's a simply comment on a player that happens all the time around here and usually goes without someone jumping in to state his game was gawd awful.

It's not like this board is crawling with pro Stan fans that are making everyone's life miserable - lol

That's true. But there are a few determined defenders.

It is defending him when it comes as a reply to someone who said he had a bad game.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My point is that you've formed your opinion through hindsight, which is an unfair way to judge what the organization did at the time

Yes, the decision looks badly today. Sometimes decisions do. But that doesn't mean it was bad at the time, based on the info they had. We all do it in our lives all the time.


Fleury was ahead of him when he was healthy, and I hope he is again when he returns

I have not formed that opinion through hindsight. I think you have said that before. I said exactly the same thing at the time. That is not hindsight.

Fleury played well when Stan was out. As soon as Stan was healthy, Fleury was in the PB. Fleury played 2nd pair when Samberg was hurt but that doesn't mean he would play 3rd pair when Samberg came back. It means that Fleury was seen as more suited to moving up. But when all are healthy Stan plays. Or at least he has so far. We'll see what happens when/if we ever have JMo, Snerg, Fleury and Stan healthy at the same time.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Even when all the roster spots are fixed according to how some people want them, they'll start to complain about how the assistant equipment manager packs the players bags before road trips

Yes, during our first 15 games I was fixated on this exact problem that you identified.

 

[Jets]

Can't speak for Jet, but I can say for myself that personally I don't see Stan as an "underdog"... I just point out that people's opinions are heavily biased

Nobody is saying he's a top 4 man. He's a #7 guy that can step in and do OK on the bottom pairing if you need him to. If you judge him based on that, you wouldn't be so against him, just like anyone else in that role

You're bang on and I think this is what all of us Stanley "haters" are saying.

Problem is the team doesn't see it that way and keep trotting him out like he's a solid #5. That's the major complaint.

 

[Buffdog]

You're bang on and I think this is what all of us Stanley "haters" are saying.

Problem is the team doesn't see it that way and keep trotting him out like he's a solid #5. That's the major complaint.

Samberg was promoted to the third pair out of camp in 2022. That year, Stanley played 19 games. Last year he played 25. Those are #7 totals

I think *maybe* the org thinks he can be a regular #6, but i guess we'll see that happens once Fleury returns.

 

[Gm0ney]

My point is that you've formed your opinion through hindsight, which is an unfair way to judge what the organization did at the time

Yes, the decision looks badly today. Sometimes decisions do. But that doesn't mean it was bad at the time, based on the info they had. We all do it in our lives all the time.


Fleury was ahead of him when he was healthy, and I hope he is again when he returns

There were definitely some non-hindsight concerns about that deal at the time.Schmidt was coming off a bad season in Vancouver and had 4 years left on his $6M/AAV deal. There was a positive vibe on HFJets despite that because people were happy Chevy was finally addressing the post-Trouba/Buff defensive shambles after 2 years of relative inaction.

But Schmidt wasn't great his first season here. He put up some points, but was a team-worst -13 at 5v5. Stanley was also terrible that year (worse shot metrics than Schmidt, but slightly better - but still negative - GF%). Oh, and the Jets missed the playoffs, too.

So based on that track record of failure, the Jets decided to keep Schmidt and Stanley up over Kovacevic. They miscalculated and thought they could sneak Kova through waivers - even though Schmidt was 100% waiver-proof with his track record and contract. Stanley might have been picked up knowing how horny GMs are for 6'7". Where would the Jets be today if they'd chosen that path?

 

[Buffdog]

There were definitely some non-hindsight concerns about that deal at the time.Schmidt was coming off a bad season in Vancouver and had 4 years left on his $6M/AAV deal. There was a positive vibe on HFJets despite that because people were happy Chevy was finally addressing the post-Trouba/Buff defensive shambles after 2 years of relative inaction.

But Schmidt wasn't great his first season here. He put up some points, but was a team-worst -13 at 5v5. Stanley was also terrible that year (worse shot metrics than Schmidt, but slightly better - but still negative - GF%). Oh, and the Jets missed the playoffs, too.

So based on that track record of failure, the Jets decided to keep Schmidt and Stanley up over Kovacevic. They miscalculated and thought they could sneak Kova through waivers - even though Schmidt was 100% waiver-proof with his track record and contract. Stanley might have been picked up knowing how horny GMs are for 6'7". Where would the Jets be today if they'd chosen that path?

Fair points

Had they waived Schmidt (and he'd gone unclaimed), what do you do with Kovacevic? At that point, 5 NHL games experience...

This is where other factors that i don't think fans really appreciate come into play. We're all here saying "just ice the best team, goddammit..." but it's not that simple

Chevy apparently had Stastny reach out to Nate to talk him into waiving his NTC to come here, largely based on how the org treats its players. Then a year later they waive him and have him demoted and platooning with a guy with 5 games of NHL experience?

We are on every official NTCs out there. There are probably a few non-official ones as well (I'll sign in X city and I don't need an NTC but no Winnipeg please). Good luck ever getting another player to waive if that's how you do business. NYR and f*** Vegas can get away with that stuff.... we can't

 

[MardyBum]

Fair points

Had they waived Schmidt (and he'd gone unclaimed), what do you do with Kovacevic? At that point, 5 NHL games experience...

This is where other factors that i don't think fans really appreciate come into play. We're all here saying "just ice the best team, goddammit..." but it's not that simple

Chevy apparently had Stastny reach out to Nate to talk him into waiving his NTC to come here, largely based on how the org treats its players. Then a year later they waive him and have him demoted and platooning with a guy with 5 games of NHL experience?

We are on every official NTCs out there. There are probably a few non-official ones as well (I'll sign in X city and I don't need an NTC but no Winnipeg please). Good luck ever getting another player to waive if that's how you do business. NYR and f*** Vegas can get away with that stuff.... we can't

They could have waived Capobianco. They decided to roll with 6 deep on LHD and 2 on RHD on their roster.(and the only callups possibly NHL ready were LHD) For whatever reason.

Schmidt's played LD plenty of times in his career.

Turned out to be a failure to not give him more than 4 games.

 

[Buffdog]

They could have waived Capobianco. They decided to roll with 6 deep on LHD and 2 on RHD on their roster.(and the only callups possibly NHL ready were LHD) For whatever reason.

Schmidt's played LD plenty of times in his career.

Turned out to be a failure to not give him more than 4 games.

Capo played both sides, which is why they kept him (I'd assume). Pretty sure he covered RHD in all 17 man games lost that season

But yeah, they could have rolled 13/8 and kept Stanley and Kova. But I think the main issue is the org wanted him playing, not sitting in the pressbox

Edit: Capo got into 14 games that season, which is how many games Kova would have gotten had they kept him

 

[MardyBum]

Capo played both sides, which is why they kept him (I'd assume). Pretty sure he covered RHD in all 17 man games lost that season

But yeah, they could have rolled 13/8 and kept Stanley and Kova. But I think the main issue is the org wanted him playing, not sitting in the pressbox

Schmidt plays both sides, has done it for longer, and was making 6 million so it's not like he's going anywhere, and they already had Stanley, and Heinola, and Chisholm who were next up from the Moose. If anything they were lacking dmen who could play RD.

They had Stanley playing the right side last year they were so desperate to keep him in the lineup.

I think there is a *not small* collection of the Jets management/staff that has tied their wagon to Stanley. It was and has continued to be "we need a PBer who can step in if somebody is injured while we turn Stanley into Chara". The guy has been given more rope than every other Jets prospect, by a significant amount.

They've whiffed on Chisholm and Kovacevic as cheap depth while they bring in better playoff teams discards. Now Stanley isn't cheap depth, he's Arniels ride or die .

Hopefully he can string together a good second half and playoffs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yup - the coaches have options but still play him. I'm seeing what they are. He's far from perfect but he does a lot of things right and the coaches (and stats - though I don't use those in my argument) seem to agree.

Again last night he was making smart decisions and good exit passes, a really underrated part of his game.

He also had a couple of gaffes - but show me bottom pair guys who don't. I'd understand the hand wringing if the coaching staff were playing him as a top 4 guy but they aren't.

I hope he keeps building on this and growing his confidence. Size is only one small part of what makes a defenseman effective, but all things being equal having size is an advantage and no one will ever convince me different - it's simply physics (if of course the size is being used properly).

Stan is getting better at using his size. He'll always get some penalties for being big, we saw that with Buff all the time.

Also, he was part of the team that absolutely shut down the Avs last night. Even when they had sustained pressure, the puck was always on the outside and they rarely got any gravy ice or opportunities in the middle.

Coghlan had a bit of a rough game cause guess what? He's a bottom pair/ 7 guy just like Stanely. I hope we can keep both of them because they have different skillsets and it's nice to have options.

Without going into a lot of discussion - Stan had a good game last night. I noticed only 1 gaffe. Almost cost us a goal. But didn't. Almost scored a goal too. A couple of nice plays. Otherwise, not noticed much at all, in a good way.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Can't speak for Jet, but I can say for myself that personally I don't see Stan as an "underdog"... I just point out that people's opinions are heavily biased

Nobody is saying he's a top 4 man. He's a #7 guy that can step in and do OK on the bottom pairing if you need him to. If you judge him based on that, you wouldn't be so against him, just like anyone else in that role

He's an underdog on this board. More people who don't like his game than who do. Low expectations.

 

[macmaroon]

He's an underdog on this board. More people who don't like his game than who do. Low expectations.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

"For Logan Stanley, press 6#7"

 

[Crocket]

I'd like to get tougher, more physical. That doesn't mean fighting though. It means hits that hurt. It means not allowing opponents to get away with roughing up our skill players. Which still doesn't necessarily mean fighting. It can mean taking down the number of the guy and letting him know he won't get away with it the next time you have an opportunity to hit him. It can mean tit for tat roughing up their skill players. It can mean scoring a goal.

But PO rules are a reality. I agree we may not be built for PO hockey. I don't honestly think Bauer is the solution. He would be an answer to old man Reaves. Does Reaves even see the ice in the PO?

You should read the post you quoted. In respect to Stanley, he takes bad penalties, is not a deterrent, not a good player, and can't fight well. So he doesn't really fit the bill.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You should read the post you quoted. In respect to Stanley, he takes bad penalties, is not a deterrent, not a good player, and can't fight well. So he doesn't really fit the bill.

I read it. Do you think I said Stanley fits the bill?

I said that toughness does not = fighting. Fighting does not = toughness and fighting does not = physical hockey play. Fighting is something else. I didn't mention Stanley.

 

[Jets]

The second line should take him out for a steak dinner, because we can focus on how much he “sucks” and not focus on them.
As we need something to complain about so may as well complain about tree, the bigger and worse the better. Hatred of Tree unites the fans.
I mean if we didn’t have that what’s there to complain about other than the dreaded playoffs results.

This logic is flawed too.

The reason it's easier to hate on Stan is because he's the 6th/7th/8th D. It should be simple to find any moderately competent D man to play 6D.

It's a lot harder to rework the 2nd line and get replacement top 6 forwards that work well together.

It's frustrating because it should be so simple to try literally any other OK d man at that spot vs trying to shake up an entire line.

 

[Adam da bomb]

This logic is flawed too.

The reason it's easier to hate on Stan is because he's the 6th/7th/8th D. It should be simple to find any moderately competent D man to play 6D.

It's a lot harder to rework the 2nd line and get replacement top 6 forwards that work well together.

It's frustrating because it should be so simple to try literally any other OK d man at that spot vs trying to shake up an entire line.

Okay, but, if we get rid of Stan who would we hate on then. It is proven to be cathartic for people to come together and hate on the same thing. If they played Heinola there and everyone was happy we would not grow as a community by being able to hate on the same thing. Other players play the same role like Johnson on the avs. He was an overpaid 3rd pairing D.
Also, many superstars have been able to do more with less than Perfetti and Names. Look at the drek Malkin had to carry around for years.
I think that line also looked more cohesive during Ehlers injury that everyone played a role. They didn't score because they were snake bitten, but, i thought they looked better. Calling out Ehlers a fan favorite for his play is a lot more problematic than calling out Stan as we are more emotionally attached in Ehlers success. Therefore, Stan plays the boogeyman. Every team has a guy that they all hate on. Go to other team's forums there is always one guy that everyone questions why they are in the line-up. Do the fans all know better than the coaches or is it easier to have to someone to blame and say if he wasn't in the line up we would win every game.
The fact he is a giant and makes him an even bigger target all the better.
Despite all that we are winning and yet we still need that boogeyman because we can't win 12-0.

We as a society are also raised to prefer Heinola over stan as he is the little guy. Every single one of our Hollywood movies have the little guy beating the big bad guy and is a story that goes back to David slaying the giant.

People talk about his bad penalty differential in the last 9 games he has taken one penalty, granted it was a double minor.

 

[DRW204]

Okay, but, if we get rid of Stan who would we hate on then. It is proven to be cathartic for people to come together and hate on the same thing. If they played Heinola there and everyone was happy we would not grow as a community by being able to hate on the same thing. Other players play the same role like Johnson on the avs. He was an overpaid 3rd pairing D.
Also, many superstars have been able to do more with less than Perfetti and Names. Look at the drek Malkin had to carry around for years.

ehlers is not in the same tier of fwd/superstar as evgeni malkin in his prime. such a ridiculous comparison.

 

[TS Quint]

You're bang on and I think this is what all of us Stanley "haters" are saying.

Problem is the team doesn't see it that way and keep trotting him out like he's a solid #5. That's the major complaint.

He played less than 13 minutes last game….

 

[Crocket]

I read it. Do you think I said Stanley fits the bill?

I said that toughness does not = fighting. Fighting does not = toughness and fighting does not = physical hockey play. Fighting is something else. I didn't mention Stanley.

No, I said the same thing; "doesn't necessarily mean fighting."

 

[Adam da bomb]

It’s hilarious last few games Connor has taken more penalties than Stanley.

 

[ps241]

They could have waived Capobianco. They decided to roll with 6 deep on LHD and 2 on RHD on their roster.(and the only callups possibly NHL ready were LHD) For whatever reason.

Schmidt's played LD plenty of times in his career.

Turned out to be a failure to not give him more than 4 games.

One possible explanation is at that snap shot in time TNSE just didn’t see Kovacevic fitting in at the next level regularly and they played their cards accordingly. Shit happens.

In Kovacevic’s last season in Winnipeg Stanley got 58 games in the NHL while Jonathan got 4. That summer we waved him and Montreal grabbed him and Kovy proceeded to play full time for two seasons. I think since Montreal was in a rebuild some might have discounted this promotion a bit even though he looked pretty comfortable in the NHL. When he got caught in the numbers game in Montreal and they traded him for a 4th, skeptics said “see, all he was worth was a 4th”, however, back in 2020 the Jets traded a 3rd round pick for a similar style but smaller player named Dylan DeMelo.

When Jon went to New Jersey he slotted in effectively to their #4 spot as a 6’5” 220 pound RH defensive defenseman. He has grown into what TNSE were hoping Stan would grow into.

Honestly my give a shit factor on all of this is less than 3 out of 10 but I am happy for Kovacevic. Reminds me of a Chiarot type underdog story and they both broke in at a similar age.

I think the moral of the story is keep your eyes open for value acquisitions. Don’t waist money on rentals when you can buy term on a DeMelo or Dillon for those same assets.