Confirmed with Link: Logan Stanley 2 years 1.25 million

[Howard Chuck]

Hi strength is eating popcorn in the press box. What NHL D-man strength does he have. Mobil? nope. Block shot's? Nope, Clear front of net? Nope, Win board battles? Nope. No when to pinch? Nope. Can fight? Meh. he is a 7-8 NHL Dman at best. He gets turned around all the time, case in point the Marchessault play, then he gets 4 for trying to make him eat his stick... Best strength is up in the PB. enough already.

That penalty really ticked me off, because it wasn't an errant stick and it wasn't a hockey play. He was embarrassed and swung that stick with intent and a lot of force. Absolutely intentional and dangerous. He was not as bad in periods 1 & 2.

 

[Bladerunner62]

That penalty really ticked me off, because it wasn't an errant stick and it wasn't a hockey play. He was embarrassed and swung that stick with intent and a lot of force. Absolutely intentional and dangerous. He was not as bad in periods 1 & 2.

His not as bad is still not good enough. other teams send out their top players when he's on the ice, they know his limitations, just wish the Jets brass did and end this soon. Unfortunately so many dmen down, what can you do.

 

[Jet]

I think we've seen enough to know that Stanley's pretty much at his ceiling. He's played about 170 NHL games and though he's moving the puck more consistently he's still very slow to react and is a step behind NHL pace when he doesn't have the puck. As a result, he doesn't close out plays in the D zone and then gets caught out of position. His height and awkwardness get exploited on the PK as opponents find easy passing and shooting lanes through and around him (a huge contrast with Samberg, who is top-end at closing puck lanes). On the rush, teams are increasingly attacking his side of the ice because he tends to sag to avoid getting "turnstiled". Beyond that, he is too loose with his stick and is near the top of the NHL in the rate of minor penalties taken.

He fights on occasion, but hasn't become a very intimidating force in that department or around the net. So I don't see the value proposition.

I think he's maybe a 7-8D on a good team, with not much higher a ceiling. At this point I think Fleury offers more value, especially against fast teams. I just don't have confidence that Stanley can handle the pace as games get faster and harder and opponents are very strong.

Maybe? I think since we have him now, and he's not going anywhere - it will be interesting to see how the rest of this season shakes out. I think he's playing well enough to be a competent 6-7, which is where I put most of our bottom 5 guys who are rotating in the 5-6 spots.

For me, the concern is if we ever get healthy some decisions need to be made and of the 5 I don't see one guy who is heads and tails above, or has played themselves out of the equation.

Heinola had his best game in a very long while last night, Coghlan has been nothing but impressive in his limited time.

The guy who impresses me the least is Miller - though its not by a lot. I have them ranked:

Fleury
Stanley
Coghlan
Heinola
Miller

Coghlan and Heinola both get a bullet as I see them rising. Heinola in play, and Coghlan in showing consistency when he gets to play.

I think it would be a mistake to waive Coghlan again if we need to make a roster move as I don't think he will clear again. He seems to have the chops to play the offensive D role if heaven forbid Jomo or Pionk are out for any significant time.

 

[Crocket]

Maybe? I think since we have him now, and he's not going anywhere - it will be interesting to see how the rest of this season shakes out. I think he's playing well enough to be a competent 6-7, which is where I put most of our bottom 5 guys who are rotating in the 5-6 spots.

For me, the concern is if we ever get healthy some decisions need to be made and of the 5 I don't see one guy who is heads and tails above, or has played themselves out of the equation.

Heinola had his best game in a very long while last night, Coghlan has been nothing but impressive in his limited time.

The guy who impresses me the least is Miller - though its not by a lot. I have them ranked:

Fleury
Stanley
Coghlan
Heinola
Miller

Coghlan and Heinola both get a bullet as I see them rising. Heinola in play, and Coghlan in showing consistency when he gets to play.

I think it would be a mistake to waive Coghlan again if we need to make a roster move as I don't think he will clear again. He seems to have the chops to play the offensive D role if heaven forbid Jomo or Pionk are out for any significant time.

Miller
Fluery
Heinola
Coghlan

Stanley (waive)

 

[slurpee addict]

The other point I would make is that effective NHL D rely on consistency. Stanley hasn't shown that, even within games. Maybe that's what the coaches are hoping to see, a consistent performance at his top level. But contenders can't afford to have a D that falls to pieces the way Stanley did last night, and in the Avs series.

I blame myself. I texted a friend last night in the second period saying that Stanley (who I have regularly criticized) looked good. That was followed by some extremely poor play - highlighted by his failure to clear the puck from our zone 10-15 seconds before the Preds scored on the PP. Easy clear and he failed. Then the real sad play and comedy began in earnest. So, my fault. Apologies everyone.

 

[Jet]

That penalty really ticked me off, because it wasn't an errant stick and it wasn't a hockey play. He was embarrassed and swung that stick with intent and a lot of force. Absolutely intentional and dangerous. He was not as bad in periods 1 & 2.

Yeah that was a bad mistake. I'm sure he felt awful about it after and the team really seemed to rally around him. Hopefully a learning opportunity for him. A lot of the penalties he takes are due to big man syndrome, but he can definitely improve in that area.

 

[Crocket]

I would have Bauer and Stanley fight each other for the 7th spot. In practice. Gladiator style.

My money is on Bauer

 

[LowLefty]

Stan is definitely bleeding a lot of PK goals this year. More than in years past. I don't know if it's because he is a giant that he's afraid of blocking out Helle's vision, that's he's trying to play outside his sightlines, but you'd expect a big guy to absorb a lot of shots on the PK. Like Samberg and Fleury. Does that come back to skating?

He spends most of his time working traffic on front - not sure if skating has much to do with that.
I'm also seeing less shots from the point on PK when he is out there - not sure if that is based on him being out there.

Most of his gaffs look to be issues defending the seam passes around net front - and he struggles with that. He's better at pushing guys out but less effective at guarding against short short passes - he's not a nimble guy that can drop down to block passes and then get back into the play if that pass doesn't happen.

Team will exploit weaknesses - and when he's out there, I see less net front traffic and more quick short passes around the low slot.
When the lighter guys are out there, it's more cycle and net front defending because that group will struggle more with that.

As for Stan screening, anyone his size is going to be hard to see around - you'd also think they'd be hard to shoot around. But pucks are getting through lately - but I don't think it's because Stan doesn't want to block them. Teams are setting up down low when he is out there and the shots and passes are aimed at setting up net front seams passes - so not really shots on net (at least that's what I'm seeing).

Looks to me like they are leaving most of the net front protection to Stan when he's killing penalties - I'm always looking for the other dman when there is a lot of traffic around the net - and rarely see them around the net.
IMO, the toughest area of the ice to protect on the PK is around the net - and we are asking our big dman to do that. Lots of responsibility and he's struggled with it at times. I don't think he was saddled with that job prior to Samberg going down (at least not as much) so maybe that's why you are seeing Stan stumble here.

 

[voyageur]

He spends most of his time working traffic on front - not sure if skating has much to do with that.
I'm also seeing less shots from the point on PK when he is out there - not sure if that is based on him being out there.

Most of his gaffs look to be issues defending the seam passes around net front - and he struggles with that. He's better at pushing guys out but less effective at guarding against short short passes - he's not a nimble guy that can drop down to block passes and then get back into the play if that pass doesn't happen.

Team will exploit weaknesses - and when he's out there, I see less net front traffic and more quick short passes around the low slot.
When the lighter guys are out there, it's more cycle and net front defending because that group will struggle more with that.

As for Stan screening, anyone his size is going to be hard to see around - you'd also think they'd be hard to shoot around. But pucks are getting through lately - but I don't think it's because Stan doesn't want to block them. Teams are setting up down low when he is out there and the shots and passes are aimed at setting up net front seams passes - so not really shots on net (at least that's what I'm seeing).

Looks to me like they are leaving most of the net front protection to Stan when he's killing penalties - I'm always looking for the other dman when there is a lot of traffic around the net - and rarely see them around the net.
IMO, the toughest area of the ice to protect on the PK is around the net - and we are asking our big dman to do that. Lots of responsibility and he's struggled with it at times. I don't think he was saddled with that job prior to Samberg going down (at least not as much) so maybe that's why you are seeing Stan stumble here.

It's the type of goals that Larkin scored, and Forsberg last night that I wonder about For all the analytics talk, there's a lot of video that goes into the NHL. And those two goals were similar. When Stan get pulled out to cover the shots from the right hash mark, he seems to leave a sightline for the shooter, but maybe not for Helle. Sometimes I would say he looks mechanical out there, like he is doing everything he is taught to do on the checklist, but not reacting fast enough. And I was just wondering, as no expert, what makes Samberg and Fleury better at blocking shots in that position? Is it anticipation, or just the first step in their skating and body position?

 

[LowLefty]

Yeah that was a bad mistake. I'm sure he felt awful about it after and the team really seemed to rally around him. Hopefully a learning opportunity for him. A lot of the penalties he takes are due to big man syndrome, but he can definitely improve in that area.

They want him to be tough around the net
He needs to be better at using his stick - when the tall guys use their stick to push or distract, they can get up high even when it was never intended.
Those cross checks around the net are usually ignored by the refs - just part of the game. But his are a bit high just based on his height - and he's getting in trouble.
He'll need to work on that - maybe just stop using his stick to move guys when defending in front - he's big enough to get it done without the stick.

 

[Jet]

It's the type of goals that Larkin scored, and Forsberg last night that I wonder about For all the analytics talk, there's a lot of video that goes into the NHL. And those two goals were similar. When Stan get pulled out to cover the shots from the right hash mark, he seems to leave a sightline for the shooter, but maybe not for Helle. Sometimes I would say he looks mechanical out there, like he is doing everything he is taught to do on the checklist, but not reacting fast enough. And I was just wondering, as no expert, what makes Samberg and Fleury better at blocking shots in that position? Is it anticipation, or just the first step in their skating and body position?

I'd say it's a bit of both, but mostly the latter. I just don't think he has the agility - and even though that might be a difference of a split second, that split second matters.

They want him to be tough around the net
He needs to be better at using his stick - when the tall guys use their stick to push or distract, they can get up high even when it was never intended.
Those cross checks around the net are usually ignored by the refs - just part of the game. But his are a bit high just based on his height - and he's getting in trouble.
He'll need to work on that - maybe just stop using his stick to move guys when defending in front - he's big enough to get it done without the stick.

Yeah he needs to use his body and arms more and keep his stick down for exactly the reason you pointed out. His stick in that motion is head level for most players.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'd say it's a bit of both, but mostly the latter. I just don't think he has the agility - and even though that might be a difference of a split second, that split second matters.


Yeah he needs to use his body and arms more and keep his stick down for exactly the reason you pointed out. His stick in that motion is head level for most players.

How did chara handle it as that’s another giant.

 

[LowLefty]

It's the type of goals that Larkin scored, and Forsberg last night that I wonder about For all the analytics talk, there's a lot of video that goes into the NHL. And those two goals were similar. When Stan get pulled out to cover the shots from the right hash mark, he seems to leave a sightline for the shooter, but maybe not for Helle. Sometimes I would say he looks mechanical out there, like he is doing everything he is taught to do on the checklist, but not reacting fast enough. And I was just wondering, as no expert, what makes Samberg and Fleury better at blocking shots in that position? Is it anticipation, or just the first step in their skating and body position?

I looked at both those goals again -
The Forsberg goal was a nice shot short side with a moving screen by O'Reilly
Stan pressured the shooter as he should - I didn't see a screen by Stan - especially considering the shot was to the short side.
O'Reilly's screen blinded Helle on the short side - Stan had no way of degending both the shooter and that screen

The Larkin goal from the Detroit game had Stan out of position - I agree he was spinning on that one but that was some pretty good puck movement by Detroit.

 

[Jet]

How did chara handle it as that’s another giant.

I think he was more mobile and I think he figured out how to minimize his 'short' comings

Also, I think it was a different NHL, with less speedy players, and big guys had more latitude to attack with impunity

 

[Whileee]

The issue with Stanley is that when his game sours, it's really, really bad. He takes way too many penalties and has shown a penchant for his game to fall apart, as it did last night. In those circumstances he becomes unplayable, and you just can't have that in the top 6 of a contending team.

The other big issue is that his "role" includes the PK, because the Jets want a LHD other than Morrissey to play that role (with Samberg). But Stanley is really exploited on the PK as teams take advantage of his slow feet and reactions and inability to effectively cover passing and shot lanes. Maybe he's in the mix for 6-7 D on this roster, but if so they need to acquire a better LHD for that 6D role. At this point, I'd put Fleury as the best option there (he's been okay on the PK), but it's an area they need to consider improving.

 

[BoneDocUK]

The issue with Stanley is that when his game sours, it's really, really bad. He takes way too many penalties and has shown a penchant for his game to fall apart, as it did last night. In those circumstances he becomes unplayable, and you just can't have that in the top 6 of a contending team.

The other big issue is that his "role" includes the PK, because the Jets want a LHD other than Morrissey to play that role (with Samberg). But Stanley is really exploited on the PK as teams take advantage of his slow feet and reactions and inability to effectively cover passing and shot lanes. Maybe he's in the mix for 6-7 D on this roster, but if so they need to acquire a better LHD for that 6D role. At this point, I'd put Fleury as the best option there (he's been okay on the PK), but it's an area they need to consider improving.

Good analysis, and agree.

For me, it's the "contending team" angle that matters most. I think this version of Stan would have been welcome at some points in the team's window since 2017-18, when we were rolling out the Bitettos, Harrisons and Beaulieus, and good enough for some other points when the D plan seemed to amount to "Collapse and try not to screen Helle, and pray for a faceoff."

But this is a team with ambitions to go all the way, and maybe the horses to do it if the chips all fall optimally, and last night's version of Stan is what playoff nightmares are made of, despite the limited usage and decent play of late, and the Jets can't afford another StanleyShambles outing when the stakes are higher and the games tighter. Unlike ChaosPionk, he doesn't have the offence to make up for the larger gaffes -- but then none of this group seem to, perhaps excepting Miller, who had a solid start.

Looks like they need to find themselves another D or two who will do no harm at worst, and actively help the team win at best. I've had limited viewings of Coughlan but he was excellent in the A and has looked solid, as has Fleury. Miller has looked good and less so, but doesn't seem to break down in quite the same way.

IDK. A stronger LHD, a proper RHD, a 2C... It's a growing list, unless they're in a position to promote from within.

 

[Buffdog]

The issue with Stanley is that when his game sours, it's really, really bad. He takes way too many penalties and has shown a penchant for his game to fall apart, as it did last night. In those circumstances he becomes unplayable, and you just can't have that in the top 6 of a contending team.

The other big issue is that his "role" includes the PK, because the Jets want a LHD other than Morrissey to play that role (with Samberg). But Stanley is really exploited on the PK as teams take advantage of his slow feet and reactions and inability to effectively cover passing and shot lanes. Maybe he's in the mix for 6-7 D on this roster, but if so they need to acquire a better LHD for that 6D role. At this point, I'd put Fleury as the best option there (he's been okay on the PK), but it's an area they need to consider improving.

When our D is healthy, I don't think Stanley is in our top 6. To me, Fleury has juat been better than Stan this season, even though Stan has been somewhere between "ok" to "good". That said, i don't think that Fleury is in the top 6 of a contending team either (or even Miller). BUT Helle has the ability to even out the bumps of a slightly below average bottom pairing

As for your first statement, I agree. His errors tend to be spectacular, like last night when he not only got walked but also took the 4 minute penalty. A guy like Miller (for example) will have more minor mishaps through the course of a game like feeling pressured and flipping the puck out/sending it off the glass even though a controlled exit option is available. But those are harder to notice and any one of them is less likely to end catastrophically like Stanly's f*** ups

 

[Gm0ney]

Stanley Pros:
Big body (Kevin Sawyer knows what I'm talking about...)
Decent instincts on offense
Improving zone exits
Seems well liked by teammates and coaches

Stanley Cons:
Not using his size to great effect
Slow
Not great defensively
Gets burned ugly
Penalties!

The bottom line is that if Stanley were 6'3" he'd be in the AHL. His size raises his floor to 3rd pairing, but it's not enough to warrant the efforts that the Jets have put into him - and his speed and agility limit his ceiling.

He's been given the best chances to succeed for years, and the results are pretty underwhelming. All that for a #6? Why? We got Coughlin for free. We gave up Kova and Chisholm for nothing. These potential 3rd pair+ guys are a dime a dozen.

 

[DRW204]

he was overplayed last night w/ morrissey's injury. he had a solid stretch of games, and was fine the first 2 periods until he imploded in the 3rd.
he's a 6-7D. put any 6-7D in 20+ mins for games consecutively, including 1LD time, they likely aren't going to be great. once samberg comes back, and the news that morrissey's injury isn't a huge deal, stanley likely goes back to a spot where he belongs as a 6-7D.

 

[scelaton]

Stanley Pros:
Big body (Kevin Sawyer knows what I'm talking about...)
Decent instincts on offense
Improving zone exits........

Stanley Cons:
Not using his size to great effect
Slow
Not great defensively
Gets burned ugly
Penalties!

The bottom line is that if Stanley were 6'3" he'd be in the AHL. His size raises his floor to 3rd pairing, but it's not enough to warrant the efforts that the Jets have put into him - and his speed and agility limit his ceiling.

He's been given the best chances to succeed for years, and the results are pretty underwhelming. All that for a #6? Why? We got Coughlin for free. We gave up Kova and Chisholm for nothing. These potential 3rd pair+ guys are a dime a dozen.

This has all been rehashed to death, but I will just add that Stanley's "cons" will be exploited to death in the playoffs. Fast forwards will beat him to the outside, smart systems will dump it to his end and take advantage of his poor reaction time and he will therefore be more likely to over-reach and draw penalties against better players, thus attracting high-functioning PPs, which will exploit his weaknesses. And the cycle continues....

The notion that we need his size for the playoffs is just wrong, because it is not paired with defensive skill.

 

[voyageur]

Stanley Pros:
Big body (Kevin Sawyer knows what I'm talking about...)
Decent instincts on offense
Improving zone exits
Seems well liked by teammates and coaches

Stanley Cons:
Not using his size to great effect
Slow
Not great defensively
Gets burned ugly
Penalties!

The bottom line is that if Stanley were 6'3" he'd be in the AHL. His size raises his floor to 3rd pairing, but it's not enough to warrant the efforts that the Jets have put into him - and his speed and agility limit his ceiling.

He's been given the best chances to succeed for years, and the results are pretty underwhelming. All that for a #6? Why? We got Coughlin for free. We gave up Kova and Chisholm for nothing. These potential 3rd pair+ guys are a dime a dozen.

I think for a player as tall as Stan he's going to always have to deal with contact points when he hits, and today's NHL you can't run through the head, unless the refs have a blind eye, so with a lot of these smaller guys they are safe. Can't pull out the old Scott Stevens shoulder, Dave Manson forearm shiver or the Darius Kaspiritis hip check. Those are penalties. It's a league that doesn't favour giants on defense.

The positive reviews midseason on Coghlan and Fleury were by and large skepticism offseason about Chevy's abilities to bring in defensemen.

Stanley's signing over Dillon saved the Jets a good $2.75 million in Cap space that can be used to upgrade the team. If he continues to struggle he could be moved in the offseason in favour of re-signing Fleury and Coghlan, more veteran depth, maybe both as good as Chisholm and Kovacevic. Those guys seem to like the team. Coghlan's interview in intermission was another one that referred to a good dressing room, fun to be in. The 6-9 battle in Winnipeg is a healthy one, and it's given some players opportunities to play higher minutes with injuries.

This is Stan's defining year. I honestly think it will be a relief when he is no longer the scapegoat.

 

[Crocket]

He was our worst player in the playoffs last year. That sums it up .

 

[LowLefty]

he was overplayed last night w/ morrissey's injury. he had a solid stretch of games, and was fine the first 2 periods until he imploded in the 3rd.
he's a 6-7D. put any 6-7D in 20+ mins for games consecutively, including 1LD time, they likely aren't going to be great. once samberg comes back, and the news that morrissey's injury isn't a huge deal, stanley likely goes back to a spot where he belongs as a 6-7D.

Good post, good points
No surprise he's getting picked apart today
When the opportunity arises, that will happen every time.

IMO, the Jets will continue to work with him - he's not going anywhere - but I'm sure the Jets know his limitations (like any player) and are fully aware of the pressure he was under last night. He's not good enough (or built) to support those minutes - especially when you add in the PK minutes where he is doing a lot of the physical net front work.

As mentioned by others, the org will need to sort out his game when it comes to taking penalties - I'd assume that would be something they can address and might be something they played a part in instigating.

 

[Jets4Life]

I would have Bauer and Stanley fight each other for the 7th spot. In practice. Gladiator style.

My money is on Bauer

Bauer would destroy him. Pound for pound, Stanley is one of the worst fighters I've ever seen.

 

[Cnile]

The issue with Stanley is that when his game sours, it's really, really bad. He takes way too many penalties and has shown a penchant for his game to fall apart, as it did last night. In those circumstances he becomes unplayable, and you just can't have that in the top 6 of a contending team.

The other big issue is that his "role" includes the PK, because the Jets want a LHD other than Morrissey to play that role (with Samberg). But Stanley is really exploited on the PK as teams take advantage of his slow feet and reactions and inability to effectively cover passing and shot lanes. Maybe he's in the mix for 6-7 D on this roster, but if so they need to acquire a better LHD for that 6D role. At this point, I'd put Fleury as the best option there (he's been okay on the PK), but it's an area they need to consider improving.

You are bang on Whileee
He’s ok when he’s on ( not often enough)
But he sucks 80% of the time
I really want him to do better, I do.
The organization will die on this hill.
I’d rather be wrong than them, but am not seeing it.