Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

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I have to say, I hate to harp on a young player, I've seen Mailloux play in all NHL games, a few Junior games and a few in Laval. He has NHL size, NHL shot, good hands, decent offence but every time I watch him play I am always and I mean always wanting more out of him. I don't know what it is but I don't feel like he is a winning player. He may play in the NHL but I think he will always be one of those players who should be better than he is but never really gets there. Hope I am wrong, because he has everything going for him

Hopefully he can be solid in whatever role we need him in. May not be a game breaker.
Mailloux can use more seasoning but to me I have serious doubts that Barron becomes part of the top 6...he just doesn't have it defensively.
It's going to be interesting to see if the healthy top 6 is:

Matheon - Guhle
Hutson - Savard
Xhekaj - Struble

That's a lot of LD's.
 

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If Guhle plays with Mailloux, who plays with Matheson?

Long term, what would be better for Mailloux's defensive development: playing big minutes in the AHL this year, or sheltered minutes in the NHL, or even being in a rotation?

Since we already have 7 NHL dmen, I don't think there's any rush to have him in the NHL this year. Also, Barron is pretty good offensively. I hope he can also figure out the defensive side.
I don't see Mstheson as a long term solution. He's at his max value so i would trade him for max return. Plus he's driving me nuts on the PP. He's no QB on the PP.

The future is X, Rein, Guhle, Hutson, Mailman, Barron and Struble. Savard and Matheson for as much as we can get now or TD.
 
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I don't see Mstheson as a long term solution. He's at his max value so i would trade him for max return. Plus he's driving me nuts on the PP. He's no QB on the PP.

The future is X, Rein, Guhle, Hutson, Mailman, Barron and Struble. Savard and Matheson for as much as we can get now or TD.

Whatever any of us thinks about Matheson, it will be interesting to see what HuGo decide to do with him in the final year of his contract.
 

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I don't see Mstheson as a long term solution. He's at his max value so i would trade him for max return. Plus he's driving me nuts on the PP. He's no QB on the PP.

The future is X, Rein, Guhle, Hutson, Mailman, Barron and Struble. Savard and Matheson for as much as we can get now or TD.
Not all futures turn out as planned or hoped for.

Each of the referenced members of your projected future defensive corps has their warts and limitations; (Guhle: his questionable offensive upside; Reinbacher: his lack of dynamic skill and on/ice performance; Hutson: his lack of size and elite skating ability; Mailloux: his limited defensive acumen and possessing only, at best, average skating ability: Barron: increasingly showing that he may never be more than a journeyman at the NHL level: Xhekaj: injury prone; average mobility/quickness and questionable defensive acumen and Struble: a dependable, physical everyday player who may never be more than a second pairing defenceman.

I would suggest that as of today, there is a significant drop off from Matheson and Savard’s level of performance and on ice contributions ( they are on the ice for almost half of each game) and what the seven penciled in future defencemen can presently deliver. Will they improve to the expected levels of effectiveness over the coming years? There is no certainty in this regard. As I have noted, the only certainty in hockey is the uncertainty as to most prospects' rate of development.

I think the upside projections (expectations) for many of our current defensive prospects is overly optimistic. Frankly, I think our current crop of forward prospects (Demidov, Hage, Beck, Kapanen, Florian, Tuch, Sawyer Thorpe, etc.) is much more promising than our current collections of defensive prospects. I would therefore be very hesitant to trade Matheson and Savard until there is greater clarity as to the true upside of our supposedly heralded defensive prospects. Unless of course you are willing, in most probabilities, of remaining a largely marginalized team.
 

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Not all futures turn out as planned or hoped for.

Each of the referenced members of your projected future defensive corps has their warts and limitations; (Guhle: his questionable offensive upside; Reinbacher: his lack of dynamic skill and on/ice performance; Hutson: his lack of size and elite skating ability; Mailloux: his limited defensive acumen and possessing only, at best, average skating ability: Barron: increasingly showing that he may never be more than a journeyman at the NHL level: Xhekaj: injury prone; average mobility/quickness and questionable defensive acumen and Struble: a dependable, physical everyday player who may never be more than a second pairing defenceman.

I would suggest that as of today, there is a significant drop off from Matheson and Savard’s level of performance and on ice contributions ( they are on the ice for almost half of each game) and what the seven penciled in future defencemen can presently deliver. Will they improve to the expected levels of effectiveness over the coming years? There is no certainty in this regard. As I have noted, the only certainty in hockey is the uncertainty as to most prospects' rate of development.

I think the upside projections (expectations) for many of our current defensive prospects is overly optimistic. Frankly, I think our current crop of forward prospects (Demidov, Hage, Beck, Kapanen, Florian, Tuch, Sawyer Thorpe, etc.) is much more promising than our current collections of defensive prospects. I would therefore be very hesitant to trade Matheson and Savard until there is greater clarity as to the true upside of our supposedly heralded defensive prospects. Unless of course you are willing, in most probabilities, of remaining a largely marginalized team.
I don't expect an all star defensive core, just a very competent one.

Guhle is as good as Savard is now with more upside comming. Struble/X a much better and meaner Chiarots. Hutson skating will improve and of all skills, that is something that can be worked on with tangable results. Rein is yet to be defined. Mailioux has the highest tool potential but has missed at least two years of development.

By the end of this season we will know a lot better what we have in defense.

The problem with Savard and Matheson is 4-5 years too old to be part of our hoped for maturation and contention in 3 years or so.
 

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I don't expect an all star defensive core, just a very competent one.

Guhle is as good as Savard is now with more upside comming. Struble/X a much better and meaner Chiarots. Hutson skating will improve and of all skills, that is something that can be worked on with tangable results. Rein is yet to be defined. Mailioux has the highest tool potential but has missed at least two years of development.

By the end of this season we will know a lot better what we have in defense.

The problem with Savard and Matheson is 4-5 years too old to be part of our hoped for maturation and contention in 3 years or so.
Timing, as in most facets of life , is a thorny issue to master.

If you believe that our core of youthful defencemen has enough potential to form part of a contender in 3 years and you are prepared to endure several more years of losing once you remove your two most experienced and highly used defencemen (Matheson and Savard), then maximizing the value you can obtain for them may be an palatable option. But we are dealing with a franchise that hasn't won a championship in over thirty years and has largely been irrelevant during that same period. The culture of losing is infectious. Players get used to it. And accept it. If we extend this losing period for 3 or so more years, we will be approaching 40 years since the team was a Stanley Cup champion. It's hard to attract free agents to an already challenging market when the team is synonymous with losing and unending re-builds.

I agree that we should wait and see how some of these prospects play this year. My chief concern is that I just don't think that all of these heralded defensive prospects have the upside that so many here are projecting. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell.
 
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Guhle does not have questionable offensive upside.
He's very much running at the same pace the Incredible Mike Matheson was after his first two seasons.
The difference being Matheson never had the top pairing minutes and defensive responsibilities that Kaiden Guhle shoulders.
I've always said he makes far better decisions than Matheson does when he joins the rush.
Interesting to hear Dach on spitting Chicklets mentioning Guhle as the player most likely to break out this season.
 

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Guhle is awesome, Mailloux I'm not sure about yet.
I feel good about mailloux. None of these players are perfect, he still has things to work on. but I love his shot and size too much. Scored lots of goals in first pro season even after missing so much development time. I think that will translate soon in the NHL once he develops a bit more.

I like mailloux a lot more than all the other RDs including Reinbacher. Hopefully DR becomes a stud because ideally mailloux plays top 4.

He reminds me of Bouchard
 
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I feel good about mailloux. None of these players are perfect, he still has things to work on. but I love his shot and size too much. Scored lots of goals in first pro season even after missing so much development time. I think that will translate soon in the NHL once he develops a bit more.

I like mailloux a lot more than all the other RDs including Reinbacher. Hopefully DR becomes a stud because ideally mailloux plays top 4.

He reminds me of Bouchard

Hockey IQ is paramount in my rankings therefore Reinbacher is quite easily our best young RHD.......provided that he recovers well from the injury.
 
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By the law, it isn’t. But it’s a real douche bag thing to do.

Hopefully, he has learned his lesson and is back on track but the Habs deserved all the bad PR they got at that time for drafting him.
 

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He’s 7th on the (healthy) depth chart, so he can stay until Guhle returns.

If he has a good year, he could leapfrog Struble and Barron. At some point the org will have to choose between him and Barron. I believe one will be part of a trade package at some point.
Leapfrog Struble, I’m not sure about that.

The more I see of the Struble the better he gets. He could be a sold #4.
 

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I feel good about mailloux. None of these players are perfect, he still has things to work on. but I love his shot and size too much. Scored lots of goals in first pro season even after missing so much development time. I think that will translate soon in the NHL once he develops a bit more.

I like mailloux a lot more than all the other RDs including Reinbacher. Hopefully DR becomes a stud because ideally mailloux plays top 4.

He reminds me of Bouchard

I'd like him to play a little more physical and make it a bit more difficult out there, he's a big kid
 

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Leapfrog Struble, I’m not sure about that.

The more I see of the Struble the better he gets. He could be a sold #4.
Struble is much much much better than Mailloux at this point at any position. Struble could easily start if Guhle is not back

Mailloux starting in the NHL would be a joke at this moment unless everyone gets injured which is not impossible with this team
 
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Struble is much much much better than Mailloux at this point at any position. Struble could easily start if Guhle is not back

Mailloux starting in the NHL would be a joke at this moment unless everyone gets injured which is not impossible with this team
I think Struble is going to be a very good D, potentially a mainstay in the top 4.
 
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Not all futures turn out as planned or hoped for.

Each of the referenced members of your projected future defensive corps has their warts and limitations; (Guhle: his questionable offensive upside; Reinbacher: his lack of dynamic skill and on/ice performance; Hutson: his lack of size and elite skating ability; Mailloux: his limited defensive acumen and possessing only, at best, average skating ability: Barron: increasingly showing that he may never be more than a journeyman at the NHL level: Xhekaj: injury prone; average mobility/quickness and questionable defensive acumen and Struble: a dependable, physical everyday player who may never be more than a second pairing defenceman.

I would suggest that as of today, there is a significant drop off from Matheson and Savard’s level of performance and on ice contributions ( they are on the ice for almost half of each game) and what the seven penciled in future defencemen can presently deliver.

I don't expect an all star defensive core, just a very competent one.

Guhle is as good as Savard is now with more upside comming.
Interesting you guys brought this up, but a LHD Savard might be Guhle's upside.

I really don't see the #1-#2 dman people see in him. #3 at very best, probably top 4. That's if he can stop getting injured.

I'd like him to play a little more physical and make it a bit more difficult out there, he's a big kid
He missed most of his junior career. Timing is off, defensive game is off. Tools are clearly there, but he needs time - time on ice.
 

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Interesting you guys brought this up, but a LHD Savard might be Guhle's upside.

I really don't see the #1-#2 dman people see in him. #3 at very best, probably top 4. That's if he can stop getting injured.


He missed most of his junior career. Timing is off, defensive game is off. Tools are clearly there, but he needs time - time on ice.

Yeah, I think he has the tools too
 

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Guhle does not have questionable offensive upside.
He's very much running at the same pace the Incredible Mike Matheson was after his first two seasons.
The difference being Matheson never had the top pairing minutes and defensive responsibilities that Kaiden Guhle shoulders.
I've always said he makes far better decisions than Matheson does when he joins the rush.
Interesting to hear Dach on spitting Chicklets mentioning Guhle as the player most likely to break out this season.
Perhaps. But Guhle is a player who has never scored more than 40 points in any one season in the WHL or the NHL. Not all 'break outs' are created equal.
 

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Interesting you guys brought this up, but a LHD Savard might be Guhle's upside.
Clearly you ignored what I said.

"Guhle is as good as Savard is NOW with more upside coming"

He's 22 playing his off wing and baby sitting Mathesons adventures. Practically no PP time and always the last man back.

If you choose to believe that it's all he will ever be, that is you cross to bear.
 

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I feel good about mailloux. None of these players are perfect, he still has things to work on. but I love his shot and size too much. Scored lots of goals in first pro season even after missing so much development time. I think that will translate soon in the NHL once he develops a bit more.

I like mailloux a lot more than all the other RDs including Reinbacher. Hopefully DR becomes a stud because ideally mailloux plays top 4.

He reminds me of Bouchard
As always, the conversation breaks down as to who people "like" based on feelings (and some on their politics) rather then performance.

3rd in AHL defenseman scoring in his rookie year.

All Star rookie team

4th highest rookie AHL scorer


The intelligent, common sense thing to do is wait to see how he does this year with another year of development. So far, in the pre-season he's thrown out there with various partners and practically no PP time despite his offensive potential.

On the other hand, nobody can accuse him of failing to produce on our power play juggernaut...
 

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The pairing of Struble and Xhekaj has the potential to be the perfect bottom pairing on D.
Or leaves a lot to be desired imo. If that is our bottom pair then it’s a bit disappointing imo, because it likely means Mailloux and others aren’t quite as far along as we hoped. Arber needs to get back to playing sound hockey. His camp was very meh.

I still believe in Nathan Mailloux, I believe we got a good one here. He missed a lot of development time, so maybe we are expecting too much too soon.
 
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