Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Stoneburg]

Or leaves a lot to be desired imo. If that is our bottom pair then it’s a bit disappointing imo, because it likely means Mailloux and others aren’t quite as far along as we hoped. Arber needs to get back to playing sound hockey. His camp was very meh.

I still believe in Nathan Mailloux, I believe we got a good one here. He missed a lot of development time, so maybe we are expecting too much too soon.

Logan Mailloux? There is no Nathan Mailloux on hockeyDB.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Logan Mailloux? There is no Nathan Mailloux on hockeyDB.

He's Nathan now.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

As always, the conversation breaks down as to who people "like" based on feelings (and some on their politics) rather then performance.

3rd in AHL defenseman scoring in his rookie year.

All Star rookie team

4th highest rookie AHL scorer

The intelligent, common sense thing to do is wait to see how he does this year with another year of development. So far, in the pre-season he's thrown out there with various partners and practically no PP time despite his offensive potential.

On the other hand, nobody can accuse him of failing to produce on our power play juggernaut...

'Likes' and expectations based on unsubstantiated feelings and hopes have been around since I started watching hockey in the 1950's. Case in point: Magog's, Junior Langlois, who, prior to his rookie season in 1958, was touted by some pundits as the next Doug Harvey. I remember after watching Langlois play for the first time saying to myself: Heck, I can skate better than this guy. The all too pervasive presence of social media has only added to this phenomenon of quickly over hyping prospects and their projected merit. It even allows the unfit to be elected president.

While we can all have or hopes and doubts, it is wise to adopt a wait and see approach while we watch how these projected defensive stalwarts perform against true NHL competition. Then we can all make a valued judgement as to their true potential.

 

[Rapala]

I feel good about mailloux. None of these players are perfect, he still has things to work on. but I love his shot and size too much. Scored lots of goals in first pro season even after missing so much development time. I think that will translate soon in the NHL once he develops a bit more.

I like mailloux a lot more than all the other RDs including Reinbacher. Hopefully DR becomes a stud because ideally mailloux plays top 4.

He reminds me of Bouchard

He'll be fine he just needs more work.
He does tend to get tangled up on his own which he has to work out. Funny enough he looks very similar to Justin Barron in that regard.
Barron grew out of it and I think it takes time for some Big Bodies to find their coordination when things are going faster all around them.
He's never going to be a defensive genius but most people knew that going in.
Bottom line his O game should be able to negate his lapses on D when he's ready.

 

[MasterD]

Clearly you ignored what I said.

"Guhle is as good as Savard is NOW with more upside coming"

He's 22 playing his off wing and baby sitting Mathesons adventures. Practically no PP time and always the last man back.

If you choose to believe that it's all he will ever be, that is you cross to bear.

Didn't ignore what you said. I disagree, I don't believe there's a lot more come from him.

Or leaves a lot to be desired imo. If that is our bottom pair then it’s a bit disappointing imo, because it likely means Mailloux and others aren’t quite as far along as we hoped. Arber needs to get back to playing sound hockey. His camp was very meh.

I still believe in Nathan Mailloux, I believe we got a good one here. He missed a lot of development time, so maybe we are expecting too much too soon.

Logan Mailloux reminds you of Nathan Beaulieu that much?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Logan Mailloux? There is no Nathan Mailloux on hockeyDB.

I’m not sure why I wrote Nathan. Typing from phone when just waking up results in some bad answers lol

He's Nathan now.

Everyone had their fun now? Lolol. It’s all good, I’ve corrected the post, but I’m not sure what was going on when I wrote that.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Leapfrog Struble, I’m not sure about that.

The more I see of the Struble the better he gets. He could be a sold #4.

Mailloux is 2 years behind Struble, so let’s see how he develops this season.

 

[HabzSauce]

Hockey IQ is paramount in my rankings therefore Reinbacher is quite easily our best young RHD.......provided that he recovers well from the injury.

He has the highest potential of all of them for sure.

 

[shamrun]

Clearly you ignored what I said.

"Guhle is as good as Savard is NOW with more upside coming"

He's 22 playing his off wing and baby sitting Mathesons adventures. Practically no PP time and always the last man back.

If you choose to believe that it's all he will ever be, that is you cross to bear.

Guhle is looking good but i would like to see a bit more of an offensive touch from him. i dont need him to look like hutson but something like a precise and strong shot...net drive....Something. He needs to earn that PP position. I think he can do it. I have seen flashes. He is very slept on league wise.

Also he gets hit a lot. At this rate he will never make it to playoffs somewhat healthy. Coaches and him need to figure something out.

 

[Habby4Life]

He's defensively better than Xhejak already , I think he deserves to play in the third pair early in the season.

He has earned his spot. Struble should be penciled in as a regular until he proves otherwise. Barron and Wifi can rotate in and out as needed.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Didn't ignore what you said. I disagree, I don't believe there's a lot more come from him.


Logan Mailloux reminds you of Nathan Beaulieu that much?

With his other attributes and skills if Mailloux could skate like Beaulieu we would have a prime prospect. Until he displays better separation ability on the ice that will allow him to avoid forecheckers and consistently transport the puck from his defensive zone through the neutral zone, Mailloux will remain, at least to this observer, more a suspect than a prospect.

 

[Adriatic]

Guhle is looking good but i would like to see a bit more of an offensive touch from him. i dont need him to look like hutson but something like a precise and strong shot...net drive....Something. He needs to earn that PP position. I think he can do it. I have seen flashes. He is very slept on league wise.

Also he gets hit a lot. At this rate he will never make it to playoffs somewhat healthy. Coaches and him need to figure something out.

He's in a tough spot because he's playing with Matheson who's constantly supporting the offense...somebody gotta stay back lol. You can't have both defenseman on the same pair playing like that.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He has the highest potential of all of them for sure.

Agreed, he has legitimate 1sr pairing upside because he has the IQ and the physical tools to play against the leagues top players. I don't necessarily see that in Mailloux as he isn't as smooth of a 4 directional skater and does not process the game quick enough.

Fans get aroused with Mailloux's big shot, size and his straight ahead speed but imo no GM in the league would take him over Reinbacher. I am not crapping on Mailloux as I believe that he has some tantalizing upside but he will be one of those dmen that will make huge gaffes more often than some may be able to tolerate , much like Hutson he will have to offset the negative parts of his game with high end plays that outnumber the bad plays by a significant margin. Guhle, Reinbacher and Struble already have shown the ability/promise of much safer and predictable positive outcomes so they will definitely help mitigate some of the negative events that their more mercurial teammates may create.

With his other attributes and skills if Mailloux could skate like Beaulieu we would have a prime prospect. Until he displays better separation ability on the ice that will allow him to avoid forecheckers and consistently transport the puck from his defensive zone through the neutral zone, Mailloux will remain, at least to this observer, more a suspect than a prospect.

There is no problem with his separation speed but he does struggle at times while pivoting into a backskate posture and his back skating is below the level of the other defenders on this team not named Hutson.

He just needs to improve his ability to diagnose the play a little quicker as well as processing solutions quicker in order to dictate the play rather than chase it.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Didn't ignore what you said. I disagree, I don't believe there's a lot more come from him.


Logan Mailloux reminds you of Nathan Beaulieu that much?

Mailloux has much better puck skills than Beaulieu who was miscast as having offensive potential when he just did not have the skills to support that projection.

Beaulieu was a better overall skater but Mailloux is a very good skater for his size despite some backskating/pivoting issues.

 

[calder candidate]

Mailloux has much better puck skills than Beaulieu who was miscast as having offensive potential when he just did not have the skills to support that projection.

Beaulieu was a better overall skater but Mailloux is a very good skater for his size despite some backskating/pivoting issues.

I remember Beaulieu being worst skating... Stallar going in a straight line he was very explosif and fast, but pivoting and cross over going backward was very rough... Mailloux isn't gracefull but I still think he has better 4way mobility also better at walking the blueline

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I remember Beaulieu being worst skating... Stallar going in a straight line he was very explosif and fast, but pivoting and cross over going backward was very rough... Mailloux isn't gracefull but I still think he has better 4way mobility also better at walking the blueline

Beaulieu was a great four directional skater, significantly better pivots and backskating than Mailloux. He quite literally had no weakness any where in his skating. This is why he was so highly rated in the year prior to his draft year and again in his draft year although there were some IQ questions beginning to emerge.

There were times that he would look awkward but only because he so badly read the play and was often off balance lunging at the opposition due to this. When he had the puck or was skating in space his skating was high end for a dman, not at Matheson/Makar level obviously but 90+ percentile for sure.

 

[1909]

Beaulieu was a great four directional skater, significantly better pivots and backskating than Mailloux. He quite literally had no weakness any where in his skating. This is why he was so highly rated in the year prior to his draft year and again in his draft year although there were some IQ questions beginning to emerge.

There were times that he would look awkward but only because he so badly read the play and was often off balance lunging at the opposition due to this. When he had the puck or was skating in space his skating was high end for a dman, not at Matheson/Makar level obviously but 90+ percentile for sure.

The kid loved partying too much. His maturity level was darn low like Galchenyuk, his best buddy.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The kid loved partying too much. His maturity level was darn low like Galchenyuk, his best buddy.

Beaulieu is just plain dumb.....the IQ issue was not limited to hockey.

 

[overlords]

The kid loved partying too much. His maturity level was darn low like Galchenyuk, his best buddy.

Both had dad issues iirc

 

[1909]

Both had dad issues iirc

That too.

 

[RC80]

By the law, it isn’t. But it’s a real douche bag thing to do.

Hopefully, he has learned his lesson and is back on track but the Habs deserved all the bad PR they got at that time for drafting him.

Hopefully the gamble with pay off and in 3 to 4 years, Logan will be a top 4 defenseman.

 

[JianYang]

I still remember people defending sexual assault and pretending that it was completely ok to not only go against Logan's wishes to not be drafted, but also make the selection without reaching to the victim and then having the victim have to live through the consequences of his actions to be 'drafted in the 1st round by Montreal'.

It wasn't courage. It was another evidence that Bergevin was a shitty human.

Logan earned his second chance and did everything he could, from all accounts, following the selection. So obviously Logan got afforded the ability to do better and that is why the noise has died down.

No one should ever applaud Bergevin for what he did. He's a trash human being who handled everything with the subtlety of a baboon. The way they handled the media after the selection was also a blight on the franchise.

Thankfully it was the final straw for Geoff with shareholders threatening to pull out and it finally got Bergevin and his infection out of the franchise and we are beyond better for it. Also believe Logan is better for it because real humans with real emotions and real tact were able to handle his second chance and ensure it was done properly.

Mailloux didn't get him fired. It might be an element from the mountain, but in general, he got fired because he doubled down on trying to be compeitive for the present even when his two cornerstones had effectively retired, and it ended up being a disaster where the Habs sunk to a depth in the standings that none of us has seen.

In an alternate universe, the Habs come back from the finals, Weber and price are ready to play, and bergevin keeps his job for at least a little longer.

 

[HabzSauce]

Mailloux didn't get him fired. It might be an element from the mountain, but in general, he got fired because he doubled down on trying to be compeitive for the present even when his two cornerstones had effectively retired, and it ended up being a disaster where the Habs sunk to a depth in the standings that none of us has seen.

In an alternate universe, the Habs come back from the finals, Weber and price are ready to play, and bergevin keeps his job for at least a little longer.

At least he risked it all in his last year. Better than nothing. And it got us to the finals, was a fun ride. He finished with a bang but left a stinky mess unfortunately. However he also left us some gems in Roy, Guhle, Xhekaj, Montembault, etc.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Guhle is looking good but i would like to see a bit more of an offensive touch from him. i dont need him to look like hutson but something like a precise and strong shot...net drive....Something. He needs to earn that PP position. I think he can do it. I have seen flashes. He is very slept on league wise.

Also he gets hit a lot. At this rate he will never make it to playoffs somewhat healthy. Coaches and him need to figure something out.

He has absolutely demonstrated a strong shot and the ability to rush the puck. He is still very young for a dman and will gradually incorporate more and more of his offensive abilities into his game at a more consistent level.His focus is on defending and that is where MSL wants it to be. The offence will come as his game expands and the team as a whole improves.

 

[JianYang]

At least he risked it all in his last year. Better than nothing. And it got us to the finals, was a fun ride. He finished with a bang but left a stinky mess unfortunately. However he also left us some gems in Roy, Guhle, Xhekaj, Montembault, etc.

No no.

I'm talking about the offseason after that run where Weber and price virtually retired.

That was a huge part of their team just ripped away in one swoop and shoes that couldn't ever be filled in one offseason. Yet it didn't stop him from trading a first rounder and signing a vet like David savard that summer.

He still felt like he could march on somehow, and his lack of insight into the situation and unwillingness to adapt was alarming. He needed to go.