Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[ChesterNimitz]

I originally thought he had the highest ceiling. Then Guhle started to take off. Now Mailloux will make his case.

At any rate we have both of them. It doesn't matter who's better, as long as they're both good.

Not quite a nascent "Big Two' yet, but it is quite promising. It's been a while since we could anticipate a wave of new talent that would fundamentally alter the fortunes of the team. But the framework of a team that will be competitive, if not more, is being constructed.

 

[26Mats]

Not quite a nascent "Big Two' yet, but it is quite promising. It's been a while since we could anticipate a wave of new talent that would fundamentally alter the fortunes of the team. But the framework of a team that will be competitive, if not more, is being constructed.

Not since we had Price, Subban, McDonagh, Emelin, Pacioretty coming to join Markov and some already good forwards.

Now that Timmins is gone, we'll have his yoing dcore, plus his one good forward ( Caufield), plus the ex GM's one good forward (Suzuki), and all the good offensive talent HuGo can add. It's looking like Dach for Romanov is no Drouin for Sergachev or McDonagh for Gomez. (And yes hopefully Timmins left us one or two additional top six forward from among Farrell, Roy, and Kidney).

 

[Scriptor]

Mats26 said, " It doesn't matter who's better (Guhle or Mailloux), as long as they're both good."

If they are both good, we will be set for a while, IMO. Solving the 1st pairing situation on D for the long term is critical to the eventual success of HuGo's team.

Beyond a solid first pairing, we should have plenty of sufficiently good Ds in Matheson, Harris, Barron, Xhekaj, Hutson, etc. for the medium to long term. We could even re-sign Edmundson if he solves his back issues (but that is always a scary proposition). Harris could well play on the right side if we lack depth at that position, the same way Edmundson might have.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Cedric Guindon seemed to have done well in that game by the stats I saw.

He was solid. Picked up 2a by threading passes through the slot area. He's a grinder with some skill, but needs to work on his shot.

What did he do in that game to justify the hype all of a sudden. People seems to be somewhat down on him in recent months and he has not played at all during the Habs training camp.

Did he look that good?

He showed off his skills. Kid can really skate, and has a wrist shot from the blueline that is so powerful goalies can't control it and it causes rebounds. It's how he picked up his assist. His passing game is on target too both forehand and backhand. Really everything you want to see from an offensive D-man.

Has to work on being overly passive on defending rush offense.

Knights seem quite bad this season. If Knights are eliminated early, Mailloux can join Rocket at the end of the season, right ?

Yes, he can.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

More game experience + coaching should be able to fix most of his defensive issues. He hasn't had much of either in the last 2 years.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

I originally thought he had the highest ceiling. Then Guhle started to take off. Now Mailloux will make his case.

At any rate we have both of them. It doesn't matter who's better, as long as they're both good.

Also nice that ones a lefty and ones a righty.

 

[NewEraGM]

I don’t see him as a top pair but I see him as a solid second pair . Guhle has first pair potential based on his play this year.

That would be massive to get 2 top 4 defensemen in back to back drafts.


I also think this would take off some of the pressure on Barron to be a top pair or even second pair. If he can be a serviceable #4 or 5, that would be great too

 

[BenchBrawl]

One thing with near-certainty, Mailloux will play in the NHL and on the PP. Not many prospect gives you those guarantees.

 

[WeThreeKings]

One thing with near-certainty, Mailloux will play in the NHL and on the PP. Not many prospect gives you those guarantees.

Not with his current defensive ability, he won't. He's barely an OHL adequate defender.

 

[HitHard]

Now? Is that even an argument?

The guy has been punished to make suckers have « good conscience » thus wasting development + injury. Funny that the habs players love him & see the potential…

 

[BenchBrawl]

Not with his current defensive ability, he won't. He's barely an OHL adequate defender.

Easy shit to learn for a guy his size and skating ability. Plus it's obvious he's holding back his physicality because he wants to avoid injuries and penalties for now. He will adjust.

 

[Retired]

Now? Is that even an argument?

The guy has been punished to make suckers have « good conscience » thus wasting development + injury. Funny that the habs players love him & see the potential…

Thank you for that educated, useful, modern and mature take on the situation.

 

[Goldenhands]

Not with his current defensive ability, he won't. He's barely an OHL adequate defender.

Mailloux is still a long way from the NHL indeed, defensively his positioning needs work, his pivots needs work and Im not a big fan of his IQ overall. Kid needs to play at a higher pace as well. On the positive side, kid is insanely talended with the puck, especially when he skates upward carrying the puck he is a beauty to watch and is very hard to stop, can make great passes and has an absolute bomb of a shot. Im just questioning his play selections at time, for exemple, will shot when he has better options. Has a big frame, long reach and usually uses it well, can be mean, but overall still pretty raw.

Potential is very high if he improves on the areas he needs to, remains a huge talent.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Mailloux is still a long way from the NHL indeed, defensively his positioning needs work, his pivots needs work and Im not a big fan of his IQ overall. Kid needs to play at a higher pace as well. On the positive side, kid is insanely talended with the puck, especially when he skates upward carrying the puck he is a beauty to watch and is very hard to stop, can make great passes and has an absolute bomb of a shot. Im just questioning his play selections at time, for exemple, will shot when he has better options. Has a big frame, long reach and usually uses it well, can be mean, but overall still pretty raw.

Potential is very high if he improves on the areas he needs to, remains a huge talent.

Well, he's still easily our best prospect right now that isn't playing with the team (so Guhle, Slaf, Harris, Xhekaj disqualified).

 

[GammaAway]

Mailloux is still a long way from the NHL indeed, defensively his positioning needs work, his pivots needs work and Im not a big fan of his IQ overall. Kid needs to play at a higher pace as well. On the positive side, kid is insanely talended with the puck, especially when he skates upward carrying the puck he is a beauty to watch and is very hard to stop, can make great passes and has an absolute bomb of a shot. Im just questioning his play selections at time, for exemple, will shot when he has better options. Has a big frame, long reach and usually uses it well, can be mean, but overall still pretty raw.

Potential is very high if he improves on the areas he needs to, remains a huge talent.

I look at it this way: deserved or not, Beaulieu managed to carve a moderately lengthy NHL career. If we want to say Mailloux is from the same mold but with a better shot and slight physical advantage, you'd expect he'd have at least a similar career. Which is not GOOD but at least you get some mileage.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Well, he's still easily our best prospect right now that isn't playing with the team (so Guhle, Slaf, Harris, Xhekaj disqualified).

I don't think that's true.. you could make a point on upside, which he's in the conversation.. but Beck and Farrell certainly make it hard to argue anyone in the pool is better than them considering how close they are to the NHL already and still a lot of upside to discover.

 

[1909]

Not with his current defensive ability, he won't. He's barely an OHL adequate defender.

He has played a handful of games over the past 12 months, and not that many in Sweden the year before. Give him a break !

I look at it this way: deserved or not, Beaulieu managed to carve a moderately lengthy NHL career. If we want to say Mailloux is from the same mold but with a better shot and slight physical advantage, you'd expect he'd have at least a similar career. Which is not GOOD but at least you get some mileage.

Beaulieu and Mailloux are totallly different kind of player.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I don't think that's true.. you could make a point on upside, which he's in the conversation.. but Beck and Farrell certainly make it hard to argue anyone in the pool is better than them considering how close they are to the NHL already and still a lot of upside to discover.

I don't even think Farrell is better than Roy, nevermind Mailloux. I'm really not as high on Farrell as you seem to be. I would trade him in a heartbeat if his value on the market was as high as you personally have him.

Beck, maybe. He's certainly intriguing. But he's in a different category, his role is not of a top line or top pairing but an elite heart and soul type.

 

[Hacketts]

Mailloux is still a long way from the NHL indeed, defensively his positioning needs work, his pivots needs work and Im not a big fan of his IQ overall. Kid needs to play at a higher pace as well. On the positive side, kid is insanely talended with the puck, especially when he skates upward carrying the puck he is a beauty to watch and is very hard to stop, can make great passes and has an absolute bomb of a shot. Im just questioning his play selections at time, for exemple, will shot when he has better options. Has a big frame, long reach and usually uses it well, can be mean, but overall still pretty raw.

Potential is very high if he improves on the areas he needs to, remains a huge talent.

lol make him a forward?

 

[Vachon23]

One thing with near-certainty, Mailloux will play in the NHL and on the PP. Not many prospect gives you those guarantees.

There is no certainty with Mailloux. He will need to:
- Be way better defensively, he won't play in the NHL if he can't improve that.
- Play a full season ! His development have probably been hurt with the lack of games he played in the past 2-3 yrs

Easy shit to learn for a guy his size and skating ability. Plus it's obvious he's holding back his physicality because he wants to avoid injuries and penalties for now. He will adjust.

I don't think the defensive play is something that easy to learn. Is it more easy then learning to be good offensively ? Yes, but it's still a hard thing to do and Mailloux need to REALLY improve that part not just a little bit.

An other thing that make me doubt he will improve that much defensively, is that I don't think he have the highest IQ and that's the most important tool to have defensively. Can he become a Dougie Hamilton/John Carlson type of Dmen that bring so much offensively that we can't forget those defensives mistakes ? I hope so !

 

[le_sean]

Well, he's still easily our best prospect right now that isn't playing with the team (so Guhle, Slaf, Harris, Xhekaj disqualified).

No he’s not. He hasn’t played enough to actually be ranked by anyone. No one watched 3rd tier Swedish hockey and he’s played 13 games in two years after that. So to make any type of claim is silly.

We have a kid currently torching the Q for a 2nd time that’s proven a lot more. Heck Kidney has proven a lot more than Mailloux and I’d rank him above as well. Beck is a better prospect than him too, he has a far higher chance of being a good pro. Lane Hutson also has more potential.

 

[Habs Halifax]

And Savard is playing now like he'll get a 1st for us when we move him.

Possible. Something to look at for the 2025 deadline. Or if Mailloux is ready earlier than 2 AHL seasons.... then we can look at trading Savard at the 2024 deadline.

Will be a higher cap then too! Much easier to move

Not with his current defensive ability, he won't. He's barely an OHL adequate defender.

I'm very curious is he ends up on a Burns path.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No he’s not. He hasn’t played enough to actually be ranked by anyone. No one watched 3rd tier Swedish hockey and he’s played 13 games in two years after that. So to make any type of claim is silly.

We have a kid currently torching the Q for a 2nd time that’s proven a lot more. Heck Kidney has proven a lot more than Mailloux and I’d rank him above as well. Beck is a better prospect than him too, he has a far higher chance of being a good pro. Lane Hutson also has more potential.

I agree with your overall point but Kidney is not ahead of him. Beck maybe. CHL production doesn't always dictate who is better than who.

Depends on how your evaluate prospects. Is it about potential/raw tools or current production in whatever league they play? Mailloux is one of our best prospects. That's as far as I would go today... Maybe the most intriguing but not the undisputed best outside of the NHL. Maybe after this season but we have to let the season play out.

 

[le_sean]

I agree with your overall point but Kidney is not ahead of him. Beck maybe. CHL production doesn't always dictate who is better than who.

Depends on how your evaluate prospects. Is it about potential/raw tools or current production in whatever league they play? Mailloux is one of our best prospects. That's as far as I would go today... Maybe the most intriguing but not the undisputed best outside of the NHL. Maybe after this season but we have to let the season play out.

But we’ve actually seen Kidney play. All I’ve seen are a handful of games of Mailloux and he’s a trainwreck when the puck isn’t on his stick and does silly things thinking he’s Bobby Orr when it is on his stick. I’ll rank the guy that looks to be a solid future 3rd liner right now higher than the one that looks like he hasn’t played in two years.

 

[JC Superstar]

Being raw at 20 is a dangerous proposition if not in college. Good thing he is a righty or he could be in Norlinder's shoes.