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Logan Cooley is on pace for 75 points

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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
Slaf was a solid pick, and I don't think the Habs should regret taking him at all. He's gonna be a great player for a long time.

But to say Cooley would have been redundant is a bit silly. Every team in the league could use a player like that.


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The Habs director of scouting recently said that they didn’t draft Michkov because the last 3 Stanley Cup winners were already much bigger than the Habs. Cooley was the same size as Michkov on their draft days.

Could we have drafted Cooley which is redundant (see Suzuki among other) instead of Slaf? Have him transit in the Habs organization then to trade him for a player like Slaf which we absolutely need? Could we get Slaf and a pick or Slaf and a prospect, instead of just Slaf? Depending on the day, perhaps. IDK

Also redundant is not a slight on Cooley. I’m sure Utah fans love Cooley. But if we would be Columbus with those giant Russians perhaps Slaf would be redundant.
 
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Kennerback said:
The Habs director of scouting recently said that they didn’t draft Michkov because the last 3 Stanley Cup winners were already much bigger than the Habs. Cooley was the same size as Michkov on their draft days.

Could we have drafted Cooley which is redundant (see Suzuki among other) instead of Slaf? Have him transit in the Habs organization then to trade him for a player like Slaf which we absolutely need? Could we get Slaf and a pick or Slaf and a prospect, instead of just Slaf? Depending on the day, perhaps. IDK
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I think you have to take best player available. Hard to say the Habs would be worse off with Michkov, Cooley, and Demidov. Sure, they'd be smaller, but that's a **** ton of talent.

Michkov- Suzuki - Caufield
Demidov - Cooley - Laine
Heineman - Evans - Anderson

That's a pretty sick top 9 with some decent size.

That said, I don't think they Habs necessary flubbed on the Slaf pick. He's gonna be a great player for them. Hughes probably takes a do over, but its not some egregious mistake.

Passing on MIchkov though will probably hurt for a while.
 
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Kennerback said:
The Habs director of scouting recently said that they didn’t draft Michkov because the last 3 Stanley Cup winners were already much bigger than the Habs. Cooley was the same size as Michkov on their draft days.

Could we have drafted Cooley which is redundant (see Suzuki among other) instead of Slaf? Have him transit in the Habs organization then to trade him for a player like Slaf which we absolutely need? Could we get Slaf and a pick or Slaf and a prospect, instead of just Slaf? Depending on the day, perhaps. IDK

Also redundant is not a slight on Cooley. I’m sure Utah fans love Cooley. But if we would be Columbus with those giant Russians perhaps Slaf would be redundant.
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This is certainly a take
 
WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
I think you have to take best player available. Hard to say the Habs would be worse off with Michkov, Cooley, and Demidov. Sure, they'd be smaller, but that's a **** ton of talent.

Michkov- Suzuki - Caufield
Demidov - Cooley - Laine
Heineman - Evans - Anderson

That's a pretty sick top 9 with some decent size.

That said, I don't think they Habs necessary flubbed on the Slaf pick. He's gonna be a great player for them. Hughes probably takes a do over, but its not some egregious mistake.

Passing on MIchkov though will probably hurt for a while.
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On the Habs board, you have people that think Cooley and Michkov were BPA, others one and not the other, others neither. Then you have those that it still matters and others it doesn’t matter anymore as we have Demidov, Laine and Hutson and we’ll need to fit all those people under the cap.

I was camp Michkov from day 1 and still believe he is the BPA, but it doesn’t matter because of the moves we’ve done since then and being in a salary cap NHL. I was never in camp Cooley and theoretically I’m still not even convinced he’s BPA, but I know we don’t need this player no matter how much people want to force him on us.
 
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As a Utah fan living in Montreal's land, I will say this. Im ecstatic on the Cooley pick I think we got the best piece for our rebuild that we could have gotten in that draft for our rebuild. A far as I can remember Yotes/Utah didn't have a good #1 center for more than two decades. Meanwhile, I think Slaf will be a solid pick long term for them and the Hutson pick was the steal of the draft. Both teams are happy with how that draft went.
 
I know that Cooley will be a terrific center but I think the Habs made a good pick in Slaf because it gives the Habs a good balance of speed, skill, size, and toughness on their 1st line. The last few games, Slaf played very good like in the 2nd half of last season. He was a contributor of the Habs success recently. Overall, I am happy with Slaf.
 
Natey said:
We'll see.

The guy is literally turning into a #1 defenseman without missing a beat.
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I like the guy. Wanted my team(s) to draft him in the second round.

Hype is a little strong. Great offensively. Not so much defensively (certainly in the games I have seen)
 
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Heldig said:
I like the guy. Wanted my team(s) to draft him in the second round.

Hype is a little strong. Great offensively. Not so much defensively (certainly in the games I have seen)
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The "he's no good" defensively is so massively overblown. The team sucked and he was adapting to the new league.

He leads one of the current hottest teams in the NHL in even strength ice-time and we're going to call him bad defensively? Half the time there's nothing for him to do defensively because he retrieves the puck and gets the puck forward with ease.

Advanced stats are always hit or miss, depending on which stats you like etc but there's two key ones that stick out for me.

Hutson, statistically, makes the Montreal Canadiens better when he is on the ice (ie: driving the play more), according to Corsi. Cooley, on the other hand, makes his team worse. And that's with Huston getting slightly fewer offensive zone starts and slightly more defensive zone starts.

The second stat is Point Shares, which is similar to WAR in baseball. Point Shares have Cooley as contributing the 4th most (team) points on Utah - behind Keller, Kesserling, and Sergachev. Hutson, on the other hand leads Montreal. Hutson is 22nd in the NHL in point shares, where-as Cooley comes at a still very good 128th.

And more specifically to what you mentioned - Hutson's defensive point share is actually HIGHER than his offensive point shares. On the defensive side of things, Hutson ranks 62nd in the NHL in defensive point shares, where-as Cooley ranks 225th.

TL;DR Hutson being bad defensively is completely ridiculous and unjustified.
 
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Natey said:
The "he's no good" defensively is so massively overblown. The team sucked and he was adapting to the new league.

He leads one of the current hottest teams in the NHL in even strength ice-time and we're going to call him bad defensively? Half the time there's nothing for him to do defensively because he retrieves the puck and gets the puck forward with ease.

Advanced stats are always hit or miss, depending on which stats you like etc but there's two key ones that stick out for me.

Hutson, statistically, makes the Montreal Canadiens better when he is on the ice (ie: driving the play more), according to Corsi. Cooley, on the other hand, makes his team worse. And that's with Huston getting slightly fewer offensive zone starts and slightly more defensive zone starts.

The second stat is Point Shares, which is similar to WAR in baseball. Point Shares have Cooley as contributing the 4th most (team) points on Utah - behind Keller, Kesserling, and Sergachev. Hutson, on the other hand leads Montreal. Hutson is 22nd in the NHL in point shares, where-as Cooley comes at a still very good 128th.

And more specifically to what you mentioned - Hutson's defensive point share is actually HIGHER than his offensive point shares. On the defensive side of things, Hutson ranks 62nd in the NHL in defensive point shares, where-as Cooley ranks 225th.

TL;DR Hutson being bad defensively is completely ridiculous and unjustified.
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OK, and using simple stats, Hutson is a -10, ranking him 268th in the league and 3rd worst on Montreal.

And as much as no good defensively is overblown, hyping him as already a #1D is equally so.
 
Heldig said:
OK, and using simple stats, Hutson is a -10, ranking him 268th in the league and 3rd worst on Montreal.

And as much as no good defensively is overblown, hyping him as already a #1D is equally so.
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I didn't say he was a #1. I said he was turning into it. He was never expected to be our most used defenseman at even strength this year, I can tell you that. But his play has been so good, he's forced the hand. At the moment, he's the #2 on the Montreal Canadiens.

As for +/-, no doubt. He plays the most minutes, he's ALWAYS on the ice on the end of the game when we have the goalie pulled, he's on the ice a ton in 3v3 or 4v4, etc, etc, etc. He's being leaned on as a rookie with FULL responsibility.

Anyway, I guess we'll see.
 
Quite a few folks wanted him first overall in the Montreal section. Looks like they knew what they were talking about in terms how good this guy would be.
 
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