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[TootooTrain]

Great. The Leafs are back for another disappointing year. Hooray?

That's the spirit!

 

[zeke]

Yes they did.

5th last is closer to 1st last than 16th last.

Because that is just simple math.

11 teams were better than the Leafs.

Simple math.

It is more than a bit funny, but not altogether surprising, that you think there are 11 spots between 5th and 16th spot....especially in a post where you are trying to explain simple math.

of course, we know why you've decided to ignore point totals anyways.

 

[Bomber0104]

Maybe you should check the point totals instead of the standings alone...

What does it matter, in the end?

The Leafs finished 5th last.

That means 25 teams were better than they are.

That means all the playoff teams have a leg up on the Leafs in ability plus teams that were ahead of the Leafs that weren't even in the playoffs also have a leg up.

So what that means is that there are MANY teams ahead of the Leafs...but only a FEW teams behind them that stand in the way of Nathan Mackinnon and Seth Jones.

 

[zeke]

Attempting to tell me the Leafs are better than opponents they aren't isn't factual.

What the numbers tell us is that the Leafs finished 5th last.

What numbers in the most general of senses tells us is that 5 is closer to 1 than it is to 16. I learned this many years ago.

So the Leafs should just strive to be 1, pick up a wicked prospect like Nathan MacKinnon, and try to be 16 NEXT YEAR

Keep in mind though that being in last place today does not guarantee the same outcome as it did before (key stipulation and change to the CBA)

Judging a team only by rank instead of quality if record is obviously not nearly as accurete, and would only be attempted by someone trying very hard to spin the facts.

 

[Bomber0104]

It is more than a bit funny, but not altogether surprising, that you think there are 11 spots between 5th and 16th spot....especially in a post where you are trying to explain simple math.

of course, we know why you've decided to ignore point totals anyways.

The worst thing the Leafs could do (but under this new CBA, slightly less worse) is try and make the playoffs and come up short.

The best thing the Leafs could do (but under this new CBA, slightly worse) is try to draft the best player in the draft.

The Leafs, with their current roster, are incapable of making the playoffs, especially with 25 better teams than them as the standings most recently show

 

[Bomber0104]

Judging a team only by rank instead of quality if record is obviously not nearly as accurete, and would only be attempted by someone trying very hard to spin the facts.

The facts are that the Leafs finished 5th last this past season, 9th last the year before, 2nd last the year before that, and 7th last the year even before that.

I think the Leafs should just try and get that number one centerman they've been after for so long...

His name is Nathan MacKinnon

 

[Bomber0104]

Great. The Leafs are back for another disappointing year. Hooray?

Hooray!

Nathan MacKinnon/Seth Jones ALL THE WAY!

 

[zeke]

I guess you could try to throw away all your talent so that we might finish last so that we might win the lottery so that we might draft mackinnon so that he might turn into a franchise player in 5yrs.

that seems like an awful lot to gamble on one prospect, though.

 

[The Blue Devil]

What does it matter, in the end?

The Leafs finished 5th last.

That means 25 teams were better than they are.

That means all the playoff teams have a leg up on the Leafs in ability plus teams that were ahead of the Leafs that weren't even in the playoffs also have a leg up.

So what that means is that there are MANY teams ahead of the Leafs...but only a FEW teams behind them that stand in the way of Nathan Mackinnon and Seth Jones.

A couple extra points puts them in the playoffs or very close, couple extra losses maybe puts them 1 spot lower. So no that doesn't mean that there were 25 teams better than the Leafs, a couple of bounces going there way and they finish a lot higher.

But hey, I won't stop you from drowning yourself in your tears of ignorance.

 

[Anthrax442]

About ****in time

 

[Bomber0104]

A couple extra points puts them in the playoffs or very close, couple extra losses maybe puts them 1 spot lower. So no that doesn't mean that there were 25 teams better than the Leafs, a couple of bounces going there way and they finish a lot higher.

But hey, I won't stop you from drowning yourself in your tears of ignorance.

What being 5th last means...is that you were the 5th worst team in the league.

What being 9th, 2nd, and 7th worst in the league means you were just as bad even before this past season.

So what the Leafs need to do is continue to just "be themselves" and draft a wicked player this upcoming draft...so that he may help in bettering the Leafs in the future.

 

[TootooTrain]

I honestly thought I'd be alot more excited than I am. Still pissed off.

 

[AndMat*]

Look's like nick was right about the CBA

 

[Bomber0104]

I guess you could try to throw away all your talent so that we might finish last so that we might win the lottery so that we might draft mackinnon so that he might turn into a franchise player in 5yrs.

that seems like an awful lot to gamble on one prospect, though.

Doesn't really seem like a whole lot to me. Lupul and Phaneuf are going to be over the hill in five years anyway. Kessel didn't really better or worsen the team so he can stay. Or someone like Gunnarsson can go since he is an important piece.

See when you are a 5th last, 9th last, and 2nd last place team...it should be abundantly obvious that there isn't much to "throw away" in the first place.

 

[legendinblue]

Shortened season = Leafs might make the playoffs

 

[TootooTrain]

Shortened season = Leafs might make the playoffs

If we played like we did in the first half of last season we should be top of the conference!

 

[Bomber0104]

If we played like we did in the first half of last season we should be top of the conference!

And if the rest of the league plays like they did in the second half of the season...we're screwed.

 

[zeke]

Doesn't really seem like a whole lot to me. Lupul and Phaneuf are going to be over the hill in five years anyway. Kessel didn't really better or worsen the team so he can stay. Or someone like Gunnarsson can go since he is an important piece.

See when you are a 5th last, 9th last, and 2nd last place team...it should be abundantly obvious that there isn't much to "throw away" in the first place.

You'd be the first one crappung on mackinnon like you already do with rielly, anyways.

 

[TootooTrain]

And if the rest of the league plays like they did in the second half of the season...we're screwed.

Ah, you're a glass half empty guy. Gotchya.

 

[Bomber0104]

You'd be the first one crappung on mackinnon like you already do with rielly, anyways.

Nope.

I'd be patient.

Like I am with Rielly right now.

No reason to dress up rookie mistakes and errors.

Just have patience with the drafting and developing method.

 

[King Mapes]

16th last is 14th, but you are talking about simple math? Take out the 'last' part.

Actually its 15th

 

[robdicks]

And if the rest of the league plays like they did in the second half of the season...we're screwed.

I like the safe way you are a Leafs fan. Hate as much as you can, so when they don't live up to expectations, you can say "see, I'm brilliant!" and if they do end up surprising and doing well you can say "Leafs are winning that's awesome!"

Glad the game is back so we can have real threads of Leafs hating on here rather than stupid history of the Leafs, and crap like that!

 

[Bomber0104]

Ah, you're a glass half empty guy. Gotchya.

I seem to understand better than most (to a fault) that being in 5th last (surprise, surprise) means that 25 teams are better than you.

And considering there are no rookies expected to break out...and not significant free agents signings here..entirely reasonable to expect Toronto to once again miss the playoffs knowing there are 25 better teams ahead of the game.

 

[crump]

In 1973/74 the Islanders finished 2 nd last in the league, missed the playoffs.

That team had:

Dennis Potvin
Billy Smith
Bob Nystrom
Lorne Henning
Billy Harris
Resch

Now that that is sorted, lets keep the discussion in this thread about the new CBA announcement.

 

[Bomber0104]

I like the safe way you are a Leafs fan. Hate as much as you can, so when they don't live up to expectations, you can say "see, I'm brilliant!" and if they do end up surprising and doing well you can say "Leafs are winning that's awesome!"

Glad the game is back so we can have real threads of Leafs hating on here rather than stupid history of the Leafs, and crap like that!

But they won't surprise and that's because they have finished 5th last, 9th last, and 2nd last over the past few seasons.

No surprises should be expected.

Brian Burke has simply driven this team into the ground.