Confirmed with Link: Lockout VI - Game On! Rejoice! Players to vote Saturday.

[Sam Slick*]

Thank you meng, pretty much what I was going to say. The pension is more for Mike Brown, not Phil Kessel. If your smart about it, you should be making pension contributions from Working Day 1. And not just CPP. If Brown is gonna be a hockey player for 6-7 years (if he's lucky) he will need to make good contributions to his pension plan. At 30, with concussions, where is he to go when his hockey career is over. I hope these guys figure that out.

I think it may also be an argument over who's half pays for it. These sides are nickel and diming each other that much.

Kind of agree but even mike brown has already played 6 years and likely will get to 10. He has made 4 million so far. In my meager, average life, I have to defer. If I was making that much money, I would thank my lucky stars and not be greedy like that.

Brown also happens to be my favorite player.

 

[Sam Slick*]

My prediction....the season will be cancelled. The CBA will happen in about April or May and that gives NHL, teams and players to advertise the heck out of the NHL and have the whole summer to woo the fans back. All will be forgotten.....until the next CBA. The next CBA will result in the same thing. Another lockout.

 

[Kessely Snipes]

I try not to get too high or low. If a deal is made (and thats a big IF) its going down to the wire. Fehr gone to far to sign before he has to.

 

[cujoflutie]

My prediction....the season will be cancelled. The CBA will happen in about April or May and that gives NHL, teams and players to advertise the heck out of the NHL and have the whole summer to woo the fans back. All will be forgotten.....until the next CBA. The next CBA will result in the same thing. Another lockout.

My fingers are crossed that one or both sides is basically decided now that they take the best deal they are offered at the last second.


I do predict we never get another CBA expiration without a work stoppage during Bettmans tenure since he seems to feel that's his only source of leverage.

 

[4evaBlue]

I do predict we never get another CBA expiration without a work stoppage during Bettmans tenure since he seems to feel that's his only source of leverage.

Assuming a 10 year CBA, that may be a pretty safe bet.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Right. I wonder why even the lower tier guys would need a pension, considering even they make 4 times as much as our prime minister yearly. I feel like its a major stumbling block in the negotiations, yet feels like a slap in the face of the fans by locking out the season.....so they can get pensions after making millions and millions after their career is dont. And, there would be no pensions for players that only played a year or two, so we are talking about players that have been in the league long enough to make a fortune anyway.

And, I am also wondering about the same thing as you about if Betman will be getting that pension too. We pay all this crap, no one else, just the fans. Some would say that the sponsors also pay a certain amount, but if there is no fans, there would be no need for sponsors. Although, we also kind of pay to the sponsors. I drink Canadian, have a bell satellite and a rogers plan. Its all money. Its all greed between players and owners. I think Fehr is the anti christ of hockey. He is paid by union and the longer he works for them, the more money he makes.

They didn't lockout, the owners did when the players didn't accept their absolutely ridiculous first offer which is sooo far off from what they are offering now. Also, just for comparison sake, there are no NHL players anywhere even close to the top 100 money grossing athletes in the world. PM's make good money and work in the public sector, it's way different, not a good comparison at all, sorry.
I think the players got Fehr simply because they felt they had to after Bettman's hardball over his entire tenure. There is a chance that the players are trying to make this lockout as bitter as possible for the owners and I don't blame them. Hopefully they wait until the last minute and then sign a deal and then this lockout crap won't happen again for a long, long time.
But, i hear you, it truly would be nice if the players played for alot less, tickets were way less, the commissioner made 500k and the owners were raking in decent profits that they in turn used to help finance the league and help it grow responsibly; but that just isn't going to happen. There is a problem in this league and just like most everywhere it starts from the top down.

 

[Sam Slick*]

They didn't lockout, the owners did when the players didn't accept their absolutely ridiculous first offer which is sooo far off from what they are offering now. Also, just for comparison sake, there are no NHL players anywhere even close to the top 100 money grossing athletes in the world. PM's make good money and work in the public sector, it's way different, not a good comparison at all, sorry.
I think the players got Fehr simply because they felt they had to after Bettman's hardball over his entire tenure. There is a chance that the players are trying to make this lockout as bitter as possible for the owners and I don't blame them. Hopefully they wait until the last minute and then sign a deal and then this lockout crap won't happen again for a long, long time.
But, i hear you, it truly would be nice if the players played for alot less, tickets were way less, the commissioner made 500k and the owners were raking in decent profits that they in turn used to help finance the league and help it grow responsibly; but that just isn't going to happen. There is a problem in this league and just like most everywhere it starts from the top down.

You know, one of the main problems I see is revenue sharing. Everything seems to come from it. Get rid of 6 teams that suck and relocate them to Europe in a 6 division league where hockey actually flourishes. There would be much more revenue for all those involved and the Canadian teams and NYR would not have to share to keep those 6 deep south teams afloat.

I would have no problem saying good bye to the yotes, panthers, lightning, huricanes to start. Put those teams in Sweden, Chech, Slovakia, Finland and 2 more teams in Germany and Switzerland. All those teams would be boom revenue teams.

Hmmm, this would need its own thread I think.

 

[Jerkini]

I have a problem with a high percentage of revenue sharing. A team like the Leafs will subsidize these financially strapped teams who actually happen to have better hockey teams. If the Leafs have to give a lot to help these other teams stay afloat, they should get something in return. It's selfish, sure. But that's how I feel.

 

[Warden of the North]

My emotional roller coaster is trending upwards today.

 

[Hurt]

My emotional roller coaster is trending upwards today.

Hop off while you can because the next time it comes down, the brakes will fail and this thing is slamming in to the ground.

 

[egd27]

You know, one of the main problems I see is revenue sharing. Everything seems to come from it. Get rid of 6 teams that suck and relocate them to Europe in a 6 division league where hockey actually flourishes. There would be much more revenue for all those involved and the Canadian teams and NYR would not have to share to keep those 6 deep south teams afloat.

I would have no problem saying good bye to the yotes, panthers, lightning, huricanes to start. Put those teams in Sweden, Chech, Slovakia, Finland and 2 more teams in Germany and Switzerland. All those teams would be boom revenue teams.

Hmmm, this would need its own thread I think.

So tired of hearing this nonsense.

Forbes estimates the value of the bottom 6 teams in the NHL at between 130 and 167 million each. How do you propose that they just "get rid" of them?

Does someone just go to each owner and say, "I understand you have a $150 million asset, but there are a bunch of fans in Canada that think there are too many teams in the league, so we'd like you to pack up your team and move it to Helsinki" ?

Give your head a shake.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Instead of getting rid of teams I'd prefer if they moved some of them to the Canadian market. Such as Saskatchewan and the other provinces that don't have a hockey team.

 

[Hurt]

Instead of getting rid of teams I'd prefer if they moved some of them to the Canadian market. Such as Saskatchewan and the other provinces that don't have a hockey team.

Saskatchewan barely has a million people in their whole province. That would be a terrible idea.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Saskatchewan barely has a million people in their whole province. That would be a terrible idea.

To be fair, most of them would never have anything better to do than go to a hockey game.

 

[Sam Slick*]

So if another disclaimer was voted and passed, and the NHLPA files it. The Union is abolished correct? If thats the case, then each contract goes to court for each individual player right? Therefore, since the players were locked out, and were willing and ready to play, they get this years moneys. Anyone know if thats the case?

 

[Sam Slick*]

So tired of hearing this nonsense.

Forbes estimates the value of the bottom 6 teams in the NHL at between 130 and 167 million each. How do you propose that they just "get rid" of them?

Does someone just go to each owner and say, "I understand you have a $150 million asset, but there are a bunch of fans in Canada that think there are too many teams in the league, so we'd like you to pack up your team and move it to Helsinki" ?

Give your head a shake.

So tired of listening to posters who dont actually know anything about hockey spew your kind of crap with a condescending attitude.

No, you move the teams. San Fran, Quebec, Hamilton etc. Got it now?

 

[Sam Slick*]

I have a problem with a high percentage of revenue sharing. A team like the Leafs will subsidize these financially strapped teams who actually happen to have better hockey teams. If the Leafs have to give a lot to help these other teams stay afloat, they should get something in return. It's selfish, sure. But that's how I feel.

Completely agree. Plus, it pisses me off that those teams can sign a better players because of our handouts.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Saskatchewan barely has a million people in their whole province. That would be a terrible idea.

Manitoba has a population 200k more than Saskatchewan and they have the Winnipeg Jets..

 

[egd27]

So tired of listening to posters who dont actually know anything about hockey spew your kind of crap with a condescending attitude.

No, you move the teams. San Fran, Quebec, Hamilton etc. Got it now?

So this wasn't what you meant?

Get rid of 6 teams that suck and relocate them to Europe in a 6 division league where hockey actually flourishes. There would be much more revenue for all those involved and the Canadian teams and NYR would not have to share to keep those 6 deep south teams afloat.

I would have no problem saying good bye to the yotes, panthers, lightning, huricanes to start. Put those teams in Sweden, Chech, Slovakia, Finland and 2 more teams in Germany and Switzerland. All those teams would be boom revenue teams.

Guess I misinterpreted what you wrote. When you wrote Europe, you actually meant potentially viable North American markets. Think I got it now.

 

[4evaBlue]

They didn't lockout, the owners did when the players didn't accept their absolutely ridiculous first offer which is sooo far off from what they are offering now. Also, just for comparison sake, there are no NHL players anywhere even close to the top 100 money grossing athletes in the world. PM's make good money and work in the public sector, it's way different, not a good comparison at all, sorry.

And the NHL isn't anywhere near the top 10 grossing sport leagues around the world. Of course their players won't get paid like a league that makes 100x as much $$. Grow the popularity of the sport (which Bettman is trying to do), get some national TV deals, and the salaries will become but much better in the NHL, too.

But, i hear you, it truly would be nice if the players played for alot less, tickets were way less, the commissioner made 500k and the owners were raking in decent profits that they in turn used to help finance the league and help it grow responsibly; but that just isn't going to happen. There is a problem in this league and just like most everywhere it starts from the top down.

The problem is, we live in a capitalist world, where money drives everything. There is no way the Leafs will sell $10 tickets (regardless of how much their players make), if they can sell the same tickets for $200.

 

[Sam Slick*]

So this wasn't what you meant?



Guess I misinterpreted what you wrote. When you wrote Europe, you actually meant potentially viable North American markets. Think I got it now.

Hell, I am all over the place. I dont care about the teams that canadian teams have to support is what I am saying. I would like to see a european league for sure because they would support themselves, unlike our deep south teams.

and yes of course, those owners would have to support it or sell.

 

[RogerRoeper*]

They didn't lockout, the owners did when the players didn't accept their absolutely ridiculous first offer which is sooo far off from what they are offering now. Also, just for comparison sake, there are no NHL players anywhere even close to the top 100 money grossing athletes in the world. PM's make good money and work in the public sector, it's way different, not a good comparison at all, sorry.
I think the players got Fehr simply because they felt they had to after Bettman's hardball over his entire tenure. There is a chance that the players are trying to make this lockout as bitter as possible for the owners and I don't blame them. Hopefully they wait until the last minute and then sign a deal and then this lockout crap won't happen again for a long, long time.
But, i hear you, it truly would be nice if the players played for alot less, tickets were way less, the commissioner made 500k and the owners were raking in decent profits that they in turn used to help finance the league and help it grow responsibly; but that just isn't going to happen. There is a problem in this league and just like most everywhere it starts from the top down.

Explain why there should be given the NHL's revenues.

 

[Sam Slick*]

And the NHL isn't anywhere near the top 10 grossing sport leagues around the world. Of course their players won't get paid like a league that makes 100x as much $$. Grow the popularity of the sport (which Bettman is trying to do), get some national TV deals, and the salaries will become but much better in the NHL, too.



The problem is, we live in a capitalist world, where money drives everything. There is no way the Leafs will sell $10 tickets (regardless of how much their players make), if they can sell the same tickets for $200.

Soccer is number one by a long shot. Not even close. I would think Cricket would be number two followed by baseball.

 

[4evaBlue]

Hell, I am all over the place. I dont care about the teams that canadian teams have to support is what I am saying. I would like to see a european league for sure because they would support themselves, unlike our deep south teams.

and yes of course, those owners would have to support it or sell.

European divisions may very well be in the future plans, but you can't just "relocate" teams there. It would need to be a carefully calculated plan. 10+ teams, to make it worthwhile in terms of scheduling "road games" overseas.

 

[Sam Slick*]

For those talking about the highest paid athletes in the world. Floyd Mayweather made 85 million this year not including sponsors which paid him. 40 cool mil to top out at 125 mil. He has to go to jail though.