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hamzarocks said:
But where is the reward? This team has all the elite talent in the world yet they've shown those guys can't step up and play to their role come playoffs.

The depth guys we get would know that they're not expected to be stars but if the main guys like 16 and 34 fail to show up then who's doing the heavy lifting and scoring? If the pressure comes to a guy like Coleman or Hoffman would they want to be here? They could join teams whose stars show up and produce and play a role that they are comfortable with rather than being asked to do to much.

Coleman is a guy who Tampa would probably love to bring back and he'd love to be there considering how great Point, Kuch, Cirelli, Palat and Stamkos(kind of) are. The only bad break for them is Tampa is capped out already
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How do you think a cup winning team, or specifically a solid contributor who took a hometown discount would be considered here if they win a cup?
 
MSZ said:
I wasn't a Nylander fan, but he wasn't the problem in the series.
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I was not a Nylander fan either but he did play well and it was the best playoff I have seen from him no question.

That being said I still think he only shows up when he feels like it and disappears too often and his occasional speedy attacks and spin moves make him look better than he is and I don't think he has a good attitude and of course his contract antics started this whole Dubas mess.

Good playoffs,good press,praise all over say this is a perfect time to sell high for a good lower cap player and maybe picks return and also have cash left to fix up the defence.

I can see other players much cheaper filling in and getting his 40 points.
If Kappy and Johnsson were too expensive for what they did and had to go then Nylander who costs as much as those 2 combined is in the same boat.
 
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Mats13 said:
Did you expect him to say he wants his teammates and close friends traded?
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No of course not, but to laugh it off like that's not even a realistic possibility after failing 5 straight years is a touch egocentric no??

I'm not saying he has to be like ya trade Mitch. But even if he were to answer "When you play poor, changes come. I don't think anyone should be shocked by any and all moves that are made as a result. We have failed to fill our end of the bargain, and they have every right to make the changes that are necessary. My preference is no changes as I believe in this group blah blah blah..."

I know it's slightly arguing semantics but showing accountability is massive as a leader. Again, I have not seen the interviews yet so I'll reserve my full judgement when I actually see them. A lot can be misinterpreted in print, and I could have just latched onto the reporters account of Auston "laughing off" the possibility of a big move. I just want to see a little f***ing emotion from these guys that's all. Like are they just content doing this shit every year? hard to believe if they were actually devastated by this it would not show on their faces. Look at Jack Campbell for example. I have no doubt that guy is going to learn from this. He's going to prepare his f***ing dick off to be better. Mitch and Auston always just look so f***ing juvenile in these year end interviews. But again, I'll wait till I see it for my own eyes. At this point its just my assumptions based on previous years
 
robertmac43 said:
I think they would probably look at it as an amazing opportunity to help some young stars figure it out. Imagine being a solid player and getting the opportunity to play with Marner and Matthews? They are not rejecting that.
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What is special about playing with marner and Matthews? The UFAs would be signed to whatever they get based off of their past play so it's not like they're playing for a contract

Matthews and Marner haven't shown the ability to elevate their own play consistently in the playoffs let alone that of a 3rd linemate.

Playing with them can be a huge risk with overly defensive fans of the two looking to put blame onto the 3rd player on the line rather than the two superstars.

Superstars are attractive to play with for a UFA when their is a high chance that they will be the missing piece on the line to help propel them and the team to become a cup contender.

I don't know if that's the case for any big UFA we could target. Those two need to figure things out themselves before a UFA winger can join them to for a dominant line which dominates the playoffs
 
I've been a dedicated fan for a while, but pledged that I wouldn't watch any regular season games this year as the regular season is meaningless to this team. I watched bits and pieces but I knew it would boil down to what happened in the playoffs. Can they overcome the demons that constantly plague this franchise, and they did exactly what I expected and in an even more spectacular way then I imagined.

My Fandom is completely on the line here, Dubas and Shanny need to be bold otherwise I'm not wasting a minute or a dime on this current group and I encourage all of you to do the same. The only way we can hold them accountable is to stop spending our hard earned dollars.

Dubas managed this team as if it was a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet says we should have won the series. But we didn't and he needs to realize that managing a hockey team is not only managing the numbers and the analytics but also the personalities behind those numbers.

Analytics do not account for the media scrutiny, and the pressure of this market

Hoping for a change.

Sad to see the guy who's entire focus was on changing the culture and prioritizing the crest on the front rather then the name on the back grinding out OT wins in the 2nd round against our biggest foe the Boston Bruins. (Lamoriello)
 
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Gabriel426 said:
The Leafs is not a hard hitting team, that’s bc they are a goal scoring team. They just didn’t score any goals. If they score like the Avs and Lightning, who cares if they get out hit.
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It’s not about just hitting. It’s finishing your check and taking hits to make a play.
Watch any of the playoff games left and you will notice the difference between playoff hockey players and the leafs roster.
 
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Gallagbi said:
How do you think a cup winning team, or specifically a solid contributor who took a hometown discount would be considered here if they win a cup?
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The same way JT thought he was going to be considered here when he reportedly took his discount from 13M to 11M. It's easy to imagine you can be the hero in Toronto but the reality is harsh and this team isn't able to win in Spring, I don't know why a UFA would want the pressure to try and fix that and whether 1 UFA would be good enough to even do that for us. I'm not sure though why a non Toronto/Ontario UFA would take a discount if he were to come here.

Winning the cup is just way to difficult to accomplish and for a team who can't win a round it's just a pipedream at this point.

A UFA would be wiser to choose a more stable team which won't be facing as much pressure next year. If leafs fall next year I the 1st then we clean house in management and coaching. New management comes and new coaching. The UFA forward is than in a bad spot where he can be dealt as the new management wouldn't have loyalty to him and he'd he'd going for a major retool

This next year of leafs hockey will be the defining one of the Dubas Era and the Matthews Era. If we fall you have to imagine their will be drastic changes coming management, coaching, and the team itself
 
Tbh, Mikheyev, Engvall, Spezza and Brooks should be top 9 fill-ins, not top 9 staples.

Robertson Matthews Hyman
Kerfoot Eichel ______
Galchenyuk Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Engvall Spezza
Brooks
 
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hamzarocks said:
The same way JT thought he was going to be considered here when he reportedly took his discount from 13M to 11M. It's easy to imagine you can be the hero in Toronto but the reality is harsh and this team isn't able to win in Spring, I don't know why a UFA would want the pressure to try and fix that and whether 1 UFA would be good enough to even do that for us. I'm not sure though why a non Toronto/Ontario UFA would take a discount if he were to come here.

Winning the cup is just way to difficult to accomplish and for a team who can't win a round it's just a pipedream at this point.

A UFA would be wiser to choose a more stable team which won't be facing as much pressure next year. If leafs fall next year I the 1st then we clean house in management and coaching. New management comes and new coaching. The UFA forward is than in a bad spot where he can be dealt as the new management wouldn't have loyalty to him and he'd he'd going for a major retool

This next year of leafs hockey will be the defining one of the Dubas Era and the Matthews Era. If we fall you have to imagine their will be drastic changes coming management, coaching, and the team itself
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You mention Tavares and Spezza seems to come back regularly as well.

If we have a UFA scared to come here it isn't the right fit. This market will scare off some and attract others. There's a huge risk, but also a huge reward and truthfully the less you sign for the less pressure there is.

Some players will want (and need) to cash in. Some will want to play in a big market and have an impact. You can't have a higher impact than winning a cup in Torontov
 
Seems as the team have turned in to a charity for spoiled youngsters who gets to decide who they play with and when, but are no shows in the playoffs. And old timers who gets a spot on pp1 because they are too bad to play 5 on 5.
 
Captain14 said:
It’s not about just hitting. It’s finishing your check and taking hits to make a play.
Watch any of the playoff games left and you will notice the difference between playoff hockey players and the leafs roster.
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I am not denying the Leafs is not hitting. What I am saying is that they could not score when it matters and the two guys that should be leading them just vanished.
They could be hitting like any teams left but if the top two guys combined for 1 goal in 7 games, the chances are the team won't go far.
 
Lumberg said:


Tight bond, everyone loves everybody, Mitch is great - who fn cares. Accomplish something. Maybe even put in a competitive effort when it counts!
What a smug db response
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Doesn't seem like an ideal locker room for a competitive environment. Someone is needed to reem these kids out when they put on horrible under-performances like they just did.
 
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Gallagbi said:
You mention Tavares and Spezza seems to come back regularly as well.

If we have a UFA scared to come here it isn't the right fit. This market will scare off some and attract others. There's a huge risk, but also a huge reward and truthfully the less you sign for the less pressure there is.

Some players will want (and need) to cash in. Some will want to play in a big market and have an impact. You can't have a higher impact than winning a cup in Torontov
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If any players choose not to sign with the Leafs bc of the medias and fans pressure, I don't want them to be on the team. There will always be medias coverage and fans pressure when the team is consider a contender, you just can't avoid it.
Players will come to play if the team is winning and a chance to showcase their talents in hopes of a bigger contract the following year.
I think Gally will resign for like a mil b/c he knows if he continues to play the way he did for another year in TO, he will get a 3-4mil/3-4yrs contract next off season.
 
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Doesn't seem like an ideal locker room for a competitive environment. Someone is needed to reem these kids out when they put on horrible under-performances like they just did.
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Reading that quote remind me the scene in Moneyball where Brad Pitt smashed that player boombox for playing music and dancing after another loss.
 
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