News Article: Live Dubas presser

[aingefan]

Free Lili.

 

[Scion]

It's very normal to be apprehensive about a big all-in trade before we know what the particulars are/will be/could be.

Once upon a time, Cliff Fletcher guaranteed big upgrades every year. See how that Clark, Schneider upgrade turned out.

You comparing Kyle Dubas to Cliff Fletcher just emphasizes what Zeke is talking about.

 

[Scion]

Like I said- this is classic leafs fans behaviour here.

First place team, committed to an upgrade, a GM that has shown many times he understands the value of futures......the proper emotion to have here is excitement, not fear.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Stephen]

You comparing Kyle Dubas to Cliff Fletcher just emphasizes what Zeke is talking about.

Cliff Fletcher was a rock star in his day. He was trusted to take the Leafs to the promised land. He got pretty far. Made some all in moves. Didn’t get it done.

 

[Teeder Keon]

dubas gets bent over on every deal. now he comes out openly and tells everyone we will be willing to deal a top prospect....

this is gonna get ugly

What is pray tell do you mean “gets bent over “ ?
Do tell ...

 

[Teeder Keon]

Just Ekhholm alone would change this team so much, that would be an embarrassment of riches on Defence, maybe top 5 defence core in the NHL? WOW that is a dream eh?

SCOUTING REPORT

Has a huge frame (6-4, 215 pounds), puck-moving ability and a big shot from the point. Usually keeps his game very simple and minimizes his mistakes. Owns all-round acumen. Does not have a lot of grit or toughness, so he does not always take full advantage of his big frame at the NHL level. Also, he does not shoot the puck nearly enough.

Long Range Potential: Quality, all-round defenseman.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

“ Does not have a lot of grit or toughness,so he does not always take full advantage of his big frame at the NHL level. Also, he does not shoot the puck nearly enough.”

Doctor Smith ! Doctor Smith !, Will Robinson !
Danger ! Danger !

 

[Teeder Keon]

 

[Judas Tavares]

I don't think Dubas is draft Schmaft like Cliff or short-sighted with no foundation like Burke. Sure he's traded a 2019 1st for a needed upgrade with term who was then extended. He then drafted a 2nd roumder better than most 1st rounders from that year.

He traded away a 2020 1st but got one back just two slots later.

I'm not sure where the apprehensiveness in terms of futures comes from.

 

[Leaftors]

We need to go for it

 

[Stephen]

I don't think Dubas is draft Schmaft like Cliff or short-sighted with no foundation like Burke. Sure he's traded a 2019 1st for a needed upgrade with term who was then extended. He then drafted a 2nd roumder better than most 1st rounders from that year.

He traded away a 2020 1st but got one back just two slots later.

I'm not sure where the apprehensiveness in terms of futures comes from.

Speaking only for myself, an all in move costing a lot of futures could involve a lot of different prospect and pick permutations, a lot of different rosters players coming back and multiple affected positions, and Dubas has made trades that I both love and hate. So the possibilities could be anything positive or negative.

Put it another way, how can you be a fan of something that hasn't happened yet?

 

[Gallagbi]

Speaking only for myself, an all in move costing a lot of futures could involve a lot of different prospect and pick permutations, a lot of different rosters players coming back and multiple affected positions, and Dubas has made trades that I both love and hate. So the possibilities could be anything positive or negative.

Put it another way, how can you be a fan of something that hasn't happened yet?

I also don't understand where there's room to truly add a huge piece that costs significant assets.

Feels like we have room to improve, but not land a huge fish from what I see

 

[Brown Dog]

God I would love to see him move out Andersen for an upgrade at goal. Or even just to gain cap to improve some other area. Are we really that much worse off with Campbell/Hutch and $5 million to spend?

 

[gamer1035]

What is pray tell do you mean “gets bent over “ ?
Do tell ...

Like mentioned earlier, a trade like Robertson for Hall. What do you think?

 

[Stephen]

I also don't understand where there's room to truly add a huge piece that costs significant assets.

Feels like we have room to improve, but not land a huge fish from what I see

If Dubas simultaneously dumps some combination of Kerfoot, Andersen or some other bigger ticket piece along with a top 4 prospect, 1st and loose change and manages to significantly upgrade the position in question and gets some salary retention, I'm all-in excited. If we go and get a Kyle Palmieri, I'll like that too.

Just depends on what's inside the mystery box and how much we paid for it.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Rakell + Gibson for Kerfoot, Andersen, Robertson, 1st and 2nd...would you do it?

I would do it personally, if the Ducks were willing to retain 50% on Rackell because it would help next year. I'd probably try to have the 1st and 2nd round picks be spread out between this year and next.

I don't think the Ducks will do it though. I jmdon't think they have any interest in moving Gibson for an expiring Anderson, unless some team is willing to make a stupid good offer.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Like mentioned earlier, a trade like Robertson for Hall. What do you think?

I know Brotha
Just trying to bring some levity to our recent woes

 

[aingefan]

Cliff Fletcher was a rock star in his day. He was trusted to take the Leafs to the promised land. He got pretty far. Made some all in moves. Didn’t get it done.

Pretty sure he was talking about Cliffs second tenure.

Here’s a fun thought experiment: imagine Dubas in Cliff’s day, with the Leafs full financial might...and no salary cap.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Like mentioned earlier, a trade like Robertson for Hall. What do you think?

Is Hall just a rental in that deal?

 

[gamer1035]

Is Hall just a rental in that deal?

Yeah, I believe he only signed a 1 year deal this past offseason.

 

[Teeder Keon]

I know Brotha
Just trying to bring some levity to our recent woes

I wouldn’t let go of Robertson and Lilly

 

[Leafsfan74]

Pretty sure he was talking about Cliffs second tenure.

Here’s a fun thought experiment: imagine Dubas in Cliff’s day, with the Leafs full financial might...and no salary cap.

Well, that freedom was both a blessing and a curse. The problem with the situation is that GM's were lazy and overspent for past their prime talent, usually for the long term and to appease a very hungry fanbase. Maybe more passionate than even the fans today. Fans were nostalgic rather than logical and owners wanted to keep them happy.

Rangers were the only franchise that seemed to do the same, but they happened to squeeze out a Cup out of it with a very talented 1994 team. Other than that, many of their signings were grossly overpaid, forgettable and regrettable. They also lost too many times to the Devils in the playoffs to remember after that comeback in '94.

It's a different time and game. I will say, Cliff rolled the dice more than he should have, but, it kept a fresh motivated team and fanbase. I don't think Dubas is immune from big moves, he's probably had more conversations than anyone could imagine over the last year. Without Cap restrictions, with the great blooming draft picks that have made Toronto a desirable place to play; I'd like our chances in most years.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Yeah, I believe he only signed a 1 year deal this past offseason.

naw I wouldn't do it, IMO is hard to judge just how good the leafs really are with this Canadian division and he is a pretty good prospect almost nhl ready

 

[aingefan]

Well, that freedom was both a blessing and a curse. The problem with the situation is that GM's were lazy and overspent for past their prime talent, usually for the long term and to appease a very hungry fanbase. Maybe more passionate than even the fans today. Fans were nostalgic rather than logical and owners wanted to keep them happy.

Rangers were the only franchise that seemed to do the same, but they happened to squeeze out a Cup out of it with a very talented 1994 team. Other than that, they were generally many of their signing were grossly overpaid, forgettable and regrettable. They also lost too many times to the Devils in the playoffs to remember after that comeback in '94.

It's a different time and game. I will say, Cliff rolled the dice more than he should have, but, it kept a fresh motivated team and fanbase. I don't think Dubas is immune from big moves, he's probably had more conversations than anyone could imagine over the last year. Without Cap restrictions, with the great blooming draft picks that have made Toronto a desirable place to play; I'd like our chances in most years.

Yup, I imagine he’d flex the money muscle and keep building in the background.

 

[Superstar]

I would do it personally, if the Ducks were willing to retain 50% on Rackell because it would help next year. I'd probably try to have the 1st and 2nd round picks be spread out between this year and next.

I don't think the Ducks will do it though. I jmdon't think they have any interest in moving Gibson for an expiring Anderson, unless some team is willing to make a stupid good offer.

If they want to completely tank and do a full rebuild, then it's best for them to trade Gibson...

 

[Teeder Keon]

There hasn’t been a GM or any other management representative ever in any sport in the history of sports , who hasn’t made bad trades including The great Sam Pollack and many many more ...
I am a very big supporter of what our management team is doing in turning our franchise around and I am confident that we will keep trending in the upward direction .
Also I must admit to not really being a fan of Kadri and all that he brought .
But I will have to continue to keep it real and say that Dubas made a real bad deal in that one ..
It’s ok ! And this is hindsight
But he did lose this one ..
Live and learn and move on
Go Leafs Go