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List some reasons why Canada will/will not dominate in Sochi?

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Zine said:
I don't think anybody is saying that a country's medals are 'tarnished' because of size of rink.


Can Canada win on big ice?....certainly. However, per the topic of the thread, the size of ice is likely a huge reason Canada and/or USA may not win.
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If it does play a factor, it's should be viewed as an unnecessary one that taints the tourney.
 
Hasa92 said:
Canada will not dominate in Sochi because:


-Sweden has the better (best one actually, at least for big ice) roster on paper.

-Russia has the home ice advantage.

-IIHF Rules are different and the refs suck so much that 50% of the games end up being ********d up, meaning that no team is able to dominate when a whistle is blown every damn 45 seconds.

-Big ice.

-Bad roster decisions. (WTF? No St.louis!).

-Since when did Canada dominate in any Olympics? (hint: not once in my life time, only in WJC's like 6 years ago but not in any other major tournament's).



And finally the most obvious reason (the others were just speculations but this one is a fact):


-Finland.
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So much lol in this post.
 
Its a one game elimination tournie. Anyone can win it.

I don't think this is Canada's year, their goaltending is going to cost them unless Price can figure out how to not fall apart in big games.
 
Zine said:
Per NHL Olympics (topic of thread), Russia and Finland both have bronze and silvers on 200x100 ice. Czechs and Swedes have won Gold. Canada has marvelous 4th and 7th place finishes.

If you can't see why Canada is could very well finish behind the Euro teams (or why RUS and FIN chances for gold are higher), sorry, I can't play connect the dots for you.

Not saying Canada can't win, but that's what this thread is about. I'm sorry if it's too much for you to handle.
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oh no, I do definitely see the dots you are trying to connect, unfortunately for you, they don't go in a straight line.

You seem to indicate that Canada winning gold on 200 by 95, and 200 by 85 means less then Russia or finland getting a medal less then gold on 200 by 100. Got it.

Give me the two golds Canada has won and Canada's chances as the best team on the 5 feet bigger ice vs your beauty contest medals anyday
 
hitmen19 said:
oh no, I do definitely see the dots you are trying to connect, unfortunately for you, they don't go in a straight line.

You seem to indicate that Canada winning gold on 200 by 95, and 200 by 85 means less then Russia or finland getting a medal less then gold on 200 by 100. Got it.

Give me the two golds Canada has won and Canada's chances as the best team on the 5 feet bigger ice vs your beauty contest medals anyday
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An extra few feet of ice makes a world of difference. Canada's finishes on Olympic ice prove this.

It's why Olympic GMs build teams differently for big and small ice.....you think Jay Bouwmeester makes Team Canada for a small ice tourney? Yea, right.

Canada's finishes on non-Olympic ice have little relevance to this discussion.
 
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Zine said:
An extra few feet of ice makes a world of difference. Canada's finishes on Olympic ice prove this.

It's why Olympic GMs build teams differently for big and small ice, it's a vastly different style of game.

Canada's finishes on non-Olympic ice have little relevance to this discussion.
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Come on, dude. 200x95 (Salt Lake City), is much closer to 200x100 than it is to 200x85... :shakehead
 
hitmen19 said:
it might make a difference to a team like Russia that can't win anywhere. Canada has shown it can win everywhere. Oh yeah I forgot, Russia's claim to fame, there silver 16 years ago where they lost to the team in regulation that Canada lost to in a skills competition. Keep up the high standards of losing your last game of the Olympics where ever it may be played.
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Wait, what? Canada can't even finish better than 4th vs the big boys on olympic ice.
I'm not saying Canada can't win, but it's far less likely than on small ice.


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WarriorofTime said:
Russia is the successor state to the Soviet Union. Those Soviet teams were almost entirely Russian.
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Yeah, the soviet union separated into separate independent countries, including Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Latvia, Ukraine, Georgia, and others.

Doesn't change the fact that Russia hasn't won an Olympic gold. Please refer to the link I provided where it says they have. None of the Soviet former republics have.

Could you indicate where my original statement was factually incorrect?
 
hitmen19 said:
Yeah, the soviet union separated into separate independent countries, including Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Latvia, Ukraine, Georgia, and others.

Doesn't change the fact that Russia hasn't won an Olympic gold. Please refer to the link I provided where it says they have. None of the Soviet former republics have.

Could you indicate where my original statement was factually incorrect?
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The IIHF declared Russia as the successor to all of the Soviet Union's hockey history. That's why they kept their ranking and were able to play in the Top Division of the WC right away. You yourself acknowledged this by bringing up the 1981 Canada Cup.

Your statement of Russia never winning Olympic Gold was incorrect. You didn't say "they haven't won Olympic gold as Russia".
 
Hasa92 said:
Canada will not dominate in Sochi because:


-Sweden has the better (best one actually, at least for big ice) roster on paper.

-Russia has the home ice advantage.

-IIHF Rules are different and the refs suck so much that 50% of the games end up being ********d up, meaning that no team is able to dominate when a whistle is blown every damn 45 seconds.

-Big ice.

-Bad roster decisions. (WTF? No St.louis!).

-Since when did Canada dominate in any Olympics? (hint: not once in my life time, only in WJC's like 6 years ago but not in any other major tournament's).



And finally the most obvious reason (the others were just speculations but this one is a fact):


-Finland.
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In what universe is Sweden's roster better than Canada's on paper? The only D on Sweden who would make TC would be OEL (PK>Karlsson) and all of Canada's forwards are better than Sweden's with the exception of the Sedins, Zetterberg and Backstrom. Add Lundqvist and that's 6 players who COULD make TC, plus they would be middle of the pack.

Canada's C Team would look better than Finland's on paper, so please don't be ridiculous.
 
WarriorofTime said:
The IIHF declared Russia as the successor to all of the Soviet Union's hockey history. That's why they kept their ranking and were able to play in the Top Division of the WC right away. You yourself acknowledged this by bringing up the 1981 Canada Cup.

Your statement of Russia never winning Olympic Gold was incorrect. You didn't say "they haven't won Olympic gold as Russia".
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ok. Russia as an independent country has not won a gold medal in the five Olympics it has competed from 1994-to 2014.

Canada is the defending gold medal champion on nhl size ice 200 by 85 in 2010

Canada is the defending gold medal champion on hybrid ice size 200 by 95 in 2002

If Canada wins in Sochi, where they are the consensus favourite to win by odds makers, they will be the gold medal champion on full international ice, size 200 by 100

Canada will be the defending champion on all three surfaces

:yo::yo::yo::yo::yo:
 
Russia has never won the Olympics with a best on best format.

Also, Canada won Gold on big ice in 2002. I don't know why people keep forgetting that.
 
Novak Djokovic said:
Also, Canada won Gold on big ice in 2002. I don't know why people keep forgetting that.
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Yes and no.

28. Those who ridicule the emphasis on bigger ice at the Sochi Olympics point out that, in 2002, when Canada won in Salt Lake City, it was an international-sized surface. Or was it? "No," said Ken Hitchcock, one of Canada's coaches. "It was 200-by-94-by-95, I can't remember which ... We measured it. The corners were much like an NHL rink." IIHF regulations are 200x100.
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/2013/09/30-thoughts-nhl-clarifies-illegal-check-to-head-rule.html
 
It`s a crap shoot............you throw a bunch of stars/egos with limited practice and hope for the best,good bounces and hot goaltending..........the rest is just fluff..........
 
I dunno, perhaps other countries are better at the game of ice hockey.
*waiting to be attacked in 3...2...1...*
 
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A hot goalie in a one game playoff is always scary. You can have the most stacked team ever, but if someone comes up with a Hasek-like performance and our goalie is just average (which I think will likely be the case)...then anything can and will happen.

If goaltending ends up being a wash, Canada should win. But oh I fear that "best game of my life" effort by someone's goalie.
 
fly4apuckguy said:
A hot goalie in a one game playoff is always scary. You can have the most stacked team ever, but if someone comes up with a Hasek-like performance and our goalie is just average (which I think will likely be the case)...then anything can and will happen.

If goaltending ends up being a wash, Canada should win. But oh I fear that "best game of my life" effort by someone's goalie.
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Hasek???????

Not to push the issue but Roy was the reason Canada stayed in the game vs 1998 Czechs. Czechia out shot Canada and Hasek wasn't significantly tested till the shootout.
Also in 2006 Russia outplayed and outshot Canada in elimination 2-0.
No insolence intended, but the typical cop out "we're the best team, but the goalie lost us the game" is laughable. There's no precedence for it.
 
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Hanji said:
Hasek???????

Not to push the issue but Roy was the reason Canada stayed in the game vs 1998 Czechs. Czechia out shot Canada and Hasek wasn't significantly tested till the shootout.
Also in 2006 Russia outplayed and outshot Canada in elimination 2-0.
No insolence intended, but the typical cop out "we're the best team, but the goalie lost us the game" is laughable. There's no precedence for it.
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Please point out to me where I said any of the garbage you just falsely stated.

Hasek was lights out the entire tournament, and had a SHUTOUT IN THE GOLD MEDAL GAME against the Russians.

Now apologize for your insolence, because you made an entire argument up based on nothing.:help:
 
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