Um...those are countries that don't even have winter, or money to build indoor ice rinks...they play soccer(football) all you need for that is a ball and some grass...
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Um...those are countries that don't even have winter, or money to build indoor ice rinks...they play soccer(football) all you need for that is a ball and some grass...
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Because every time the Olympics have been on the big ice we've failed to even medal.
1998 (Big Ice)-Nothing
2002 (Small Ice)-Gold
2006 (Big Ice)-Nothing
2010 (Small Ice)-Gold
Plus we've gone way down hill in our goaltending talent pool. Sweden and USA have way better goaltending.
1998 (Big Ice)-Nothing
2002 (Small Ice)-Gold
2006 (Big Ice)-Nothing
2010 (Small Ice)-Gold
Plus we've gone way down hill in our goaltending talent pool. Sweden and USA have way better goaltending.
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Can someone please put 2002 (Big Ice) in the title?
Because I've seen 100+ posts on HF the last month with the same thing. You aren't the only one.
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The Canadians might be the most talented team in the tournament, but so was the USSR in 80. What were the odds on the Americans beating them? How many times out of 100 do the Americans beat the Russians? Once, Twice?
Basically, if I have to guess on the old "If they play 10 times" game, I would say Canada beats Sweden, Russia, and American the majority. Probably 6-4 against Sweden, 7-3 against Russia and America. Then probably a 8-2 against Finland, with maybe some other teams beating them 1-2 in that stretch as well. Problem is, it just takes one time when it comes down to it. It's why Canada has taken home no metal at all two out of the last 4 olympics. Hockey is an unpredictable game and sometimes a heavy favorite just can't buy a goal against a hot goalie.
Basically, if I have to guess on the old "If they play 10 times" game, I would say Canada beats Sweden, Russia, and American the majority. Probably 6-4 against Sweden, 7-3 against Russia and America. Then probably a 8-2 against Finland, with maybe some other teams beating them 1-2 in that stretch as well. Problem is, it just takes one time when it comes down to it. It's why Canada has taken home no metal at all two out of the last 4 olympics. Hockey is an unpredictable game and sometimes a heavy favorite just can't buy a goal against a hot goalie.
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Simple answer: One game elimination.
If this was a 7 game series, I would not be worried. Other countries are very good at hockey as well, and all you need is 1 great game (plus 1 bad game) and you can find yourself out of medal contention.
If this was a 7 game series, I would not be worried. Other countries are very good at hockey as well, and all you need is 1 great game (plus 1 bad game) and you can find yourself out of medal contention.
I would say Canada is the best team on paper, we have speed and skill. We don't need to bully other teams to win, I think if our top players are playing to the best of their abilities we will win and we have the best defense group. But of course this means nothing until the puck drops the ice.
We lack quality goaltending, Price and Lu are good but they aren't Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne or other top goaltenders in the NHL and the ice will factor in.
We lack quality goaltending, Price and Lu are good but they aren't Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne or other top goaltenders in the NHL and the ice will factor in.
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Mexico plays football but Cuba's main sport is baseball and Jamaica's is cricket.
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Not even close. Sweden has an amazing roster, and I would not be even remotely surprised to see them take gold, but to say they have the best roster on paper is just plain wrong.
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A few comments before I suggest you actually watch a little hockey. Carter and Marleau absolutely deserve to be there. Boyle... are you serious?
I'm a Sharks fan, and Boyle is absolutely terrible in comparison to Hamhuis and the rest of the competition. He does not come close to our best team, he'd be in contention for the bottom pairing of our B team. Marleau... are you serious though? He can play LW or C. He's an amazing skater. He's amazing defensively. He's amazing offensively. Can play any situation, up and down the lineup. Has the experience. There's nothing not to like about Marleau. Seriously man... come on... and your comments about Carter are WAYYYYYYYY off base. He's not as good as Marleau, but he's solid to great in literally every facet of the game except playmaking, but compensates with an elite shot. Your whole post is just terribly off base.Please point out to me where I said any of the garbage you just falsely stated.
Hasek was lights out the entire tournament, and had a SHUTOUT IN THE GOLD MEDAL GAME against the Russians.
Now apologize for your insolence, because you made an entire argument up based on nothing.
Because you mentioned Hasek, I responded to your quote of "If goaltending ends up being a wash, Canada should win.", which is total rubbish. Just like it was in 1998 and 2006.
As much as it pains you to admit as such, Canada lost to better teams those years. But hey, blame it on the goalie. Yippee.
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I am not blaming anything on the goalies. I am giving credit to guys who have played better. More than that, I was talking about the 30+ save shutout Hasek got against the favored Russians in the gold medal game.
It is called giving credit where credit is due. YOU are just looking for a problem, likely because of a feeling of inferiority about whatever team you cheer for.
As far as Canada goes, they will always ice the most talented team on paper, but that does not mean they are guaranteed a win. Lots of other factors, including what I mentioned - stand-out games from the most important position vs an average game at that position, and you will not win, no matter who your forwards or d-men are. All things being equal, it is Canada's tourney to lose (which is entirely possible). If you do not agree that Canada sends the most stacked team on paper, go ahead and disagree. You and sixty-seven other people (dreamers) who agree with you worldwide can talk about your stance.
Hasek was brilliant in those Olympics. From Wikipedia: Thanks to the goaltending of Dominik Hašek, who was considered the best goaltender throughout Olympic play as well as the NHL, the Czech Republic shut out Russia to win the gold medal.
Hi Hanji,
This is not my fight, so forgive me for sticking my nose in, but Fly is correct. Not only was Hasek the best goalie in the tournament but he was also in the heads of the opposition. No one believed they could score on him and perception became reality. His performance was the best goaltending I have seen in my life - and I have watched hockey for a long time.
Hasek is the best goalie I have ever seen. Period. Better than Roy. Better than Brodeur. Better than all of them. When he was on, you couldn't beat him with a stick. They didn't call him "The Dominator" for nothing.
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i realize most people think canada has a problem with the big ice... but so does every other country lmao.... every other teams stars play in the NHL on the small ice, its not like because there from sweeden or russia they automatically know how to play on the big ice surface because they did before they got to the NHL.
only things that will hurt canada is if there goaltending isn't stellar because u need stellar goaltending and a 1 game elimination, as many people have said in a 7 game series canada would stomp over every team in under 6 games.
only things that will hurt canada is if there goaltending isn't stellar because u need stellar goaltending and a 1 game elimination, as many people have said in a 7 game series canada would stomp over every team in under 6 games.
That's completely not true, but think what you want if that's what makes you sleep at night.
If the Olympics were on the small ice, you could advance Canada and the U.S. to the 2014 Gold Medal game and be right more often than not. However, both Canada and the U.S. have struggled on the big ice and it evens the playing field.
I believe, on the small ice, Canada 2014 would win Gold 75% of the time.
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On paper:
Canada
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U.S.
Sweden
Russia
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Finland
Czechs
Slovakia
I believe, on the small ice, Canada 2014 would win Gold 75% of the time.
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On paper:
Canada
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U.S.
Sweden
Russia
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Finland
Czechs
Slovakia
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Both Price and Luongo are better than Lundqvist right now IMO.
Miller and Quick definitely create a very good duo. But I wouldn't say that either Finland (Rask) or the US (Miller) have that much better goaltending. Would it be a surprise to see Price with a better performance than Miller or Rask? I don't think so.
I agree. You can only play one goalie at a time and the difference is small.
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If Canada loses the gold because they didn't take MSL, they did not deserve it anyway.
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