Line Combos: Lines you expect to see vs what you want to see

[Pavels Dog]

This is a really good idea but I'm not sure most fans around here are ready to cough up something like a 1st round pick, roster player and high prospect.

1st round pick with protections absolutely. I'd actually be willing to pay a lot of draft stock, less inclined to move any of our top prospects. A roster player like Berggren/Veleno, for sure.

 

[Winger98]

1st round pick with protections absolutely. I'd actually be willing to pay a lot of draft stock, less inclined to move any of our top prospects. A roster player like Berggren/Veleno, for sure.

I'd add Ras to that list and that Yzerman is praying one of them builds some trade value this season. It feels like we've kept them around at their salaries (especially Ras and Veleno) because we have had the luxury of being able to afford it. They need to turn the corner or they're going to get moved, imo.

 

[Gniwder]

I'd add Ras to that list and that Yzerman is praying one of them builds some trade value this season. It feels like we've kept them around at their salaries (especially Ras and Veleno) because we have had the luxury of being able to afford it. They need to turn the corner or they're going to get moved, imo.

So Zadina Veleno Raz plus a second for Andersson?

 

[Winger98]

So Zadina Veleno Raz plus a second for Andersson?

can't, might need that second to dump Chiarot

 

[HisNoodliness]

Agreed. I'm hardly a pollyanna but people complained about Kasper not being in the opening lineup. Now he's playing. People complained about Johanssen not getting more of a look. Now he's getting that.

I haven't seen a lot of acknowledgment of it. Now it's just back to how much Copp and Chiarot suck.

This forum has gotten so negative that now I'm apparently an optimist here. lol

Fair point.

You're totally right. Because Edvinsson took so long to make it last year, and how willing we were to sit Holl most of the year, I think most of us saw Kasper being down with Johansson and Berggren sitting in the press box and feared that we'd once again run out vets over them unless forced by circumstances ie injuries.

That didn't happen! Great honestly. That's a big win for us. Plus Edvinsson-Seider has become our default first pairing. Ed is still making some rookie mistakes (admittedly fewer) and Lalonde is tolerating that on the first line. For Derek "we need to manage risk better" Lalonde, that's big.

I'll also say though that as long as we are a team that's struggling to be .500 while getting out shot 2-1 most nights, you're going to see people be negative. There's a very real fear that we have been quite lucky these first ten games and should expect worse results from here on out.

I think a lot of that fear stems form personnel (Copp, Petry, Chiarot, etc. as you said), some of it is our system (dump and chase at 5 on 5 unless the rush is clear, generate on the powerplay, turtle with the lead, play a tight box around the net defensively to minimize high danger chances at the expense of challenging for possession on the outside). Hopefully, a lot of it was the flu that went through the league.

I was very unhappy with our opening light lineup, but now I think our lineup is as good as we can make it with the players we have.

 

[Snuggs]

Red Wings trade F Vladimir Tarasenko, F J.T. Compher, LHD Simon Edvinsson, G Trey Augustine and Red Wings 1st round pick.

Canucks trade F Elias Pettersson and LHD Derek Forbort.

Alex DeBrincat – (C) Dylan Larkin – Patrick Kane
Jonatan Berggren – Elias Pettersson – Lucas Raymond
Joe Veleno – Marco Kasper – Carter Mazur
Michael Rasmussen – (A) Andrew Copp – Christian Fischer
* Tyler Motte
* Austin Watson

Derek Forbort – Mortiz Seider
(A) Ben Chiarot – Jeff Petry
Albert Johansson – Erik Gustafsson
* Justin Holl

Cam Talbot
Alex Lyon

Figure out the Defensemen market at the TDL.

 

[datsyukfan]

Red Wings trade F Vladimir Tarasenko, F J.T. Compher, LHD Simon Edvinsson, G Trey Augustine and Red Wings 1st round pick.

Canucks trade F Elias Pettersson and LHD Derek Forbort.



Figure out the Defensemen market at the TDL.

No thank you

 

[Winger98]

No thank you

yeah, not dealing Ed for a guy I have question marks over.

 

[Frk It]

You guys and these Petterson/Draisaitl pipe dreams....

 

[lilidk]

Red Wings trade F Vladimir Tarasenko, F J.T. Compher, LHD Simon Edvinsson, G Trey Augustine and Red Wings 1st round pick.

Canucks trade F Elias Pettersson and LHD Derek Forbort.



Figure out the Defensemen market at the TDL.

I have different plans for Edvinsson

 

[WingsToPick4th]

If we trade edvinsson we are basically Effed on D for the next decade lol

 

[Snuggs]

Simon Edvinsson is more valuable than Elias Pettersson?

Legitimate question.

 

[norrisnick]

Simon Edvinsson is more valuable than Elias Pettersson?

Legitimate question.

Pettersson has 1 more point this season.

So far this season? 10x ya...

 

[Snuggs]

I have different plans for Edvinsson

Fair. I'm not in any way calling Edvinsson a bad player.

I personally think Yzerman could replace a player like Edvinsson easier than finding a player as good as Elias Pettersson.

 

[lilidk]

Fair. I'm not in any way calling Edvinsson a bad player.

I personally think Yzerman could replace a player like Edvinsson easier than finding a player as good as Elias Pettersson.

We don't know yet how good Edvinsson is.

 

[norrisnick]

The only reason Pettersson is even being talked about being moved right now is because he's being outplayed by Copp n Compher...

 

[Our Lady Peace]

I thought people have been talking about Marcus Pettersson, who would be a stout top 4D to add to this team $4M and a UFA in 2025. Possible trade target for Yzerman? Pens are trying to be competitive but they're going to suck until Sullivan is fired

Elias Pettersson at that 11.6M cap hit? Get the hell outta here

 

[Winger98]

Simon Edvinsson is more valuable than Elias Pettersson?

Legitimate question.

right now, to us, and going forward? Yes.

I think replacing Ed would prove as difficult as finding an Elias Pettersson..

 

[Pavels Dog]

Fair. I'm not in any way calling Edvinsson a bad player.

I personally think Yzerman could replace a player like Edvinsson easier than finding a player as good as Elias Pettersson.

Edvinsson has 1 less point than Pettersson this season

 

[Gniwder]

The only reason Pettersson is even being talked about being moved right now is because he's being outplayed by Copp n Compher...

Because we're not the only fan base that likes small sample size.

Canucks are in a playoff spot, they're not trading him.