Proposal: Lindholm to Canucks for Hunter Brustewicz +

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I gotta think Ritchie is the prospect from the Avs. Gulyayev or Behrens (If he'd sign with us) are close to equivalent prospects to Brustewicz.


Depends on how you define B prospect. I don't expect an elite prospect, but I do expect a prospect who projects as a middle six forward or 2nd pairing defenseman.
Are they? I think I'd take Brzustewicz by a decent margin just based on the signing risk with those two guys and his offensive explosion this year.
 
Is Beauvillier a cap dump? He got you a 5th round pick.
He absolutely was. Vancouver apparently tried to move him during the offseason after the Isles failed to last season. It was only after Chicago had Hall go down for the season and Perry have his contract terminated that a team saw any value in him.

Yes I'd retain on Lindholm. But his contract is exactly the same as Horvat's was WITH the retention.
Vancouver retained 25% of Horvat’s $5.5M salary down to $4.125M pro-rated. Lindholm’s cap hit is $4.85M. Looks like a $725K difference.
 
I guess you're not thinking squarely. Lindholm makes 4.8M. He's a 8M player. Numerous contenders will be after him. You're the one who said Kuzmenko can be traded for value. I don't think that. If he can be traded for value (which I don't think) then move him for that value. For me, Lindholm gets us a 1st, 2nd and prospect from someone. It doesn't have to be Vancouver, as a Flames fan I'd prefer to send him to Colorado. I'm sure if can be extended there will be tons of teams in on him. How often are top 6 Centers available?
Lindholm is an 8 million dollar player?

Are we trading for Lindholm as if he is still playing like Tkachuk and Gaudreau are with him?

Since when is 8 goals in 41 games with good defensive metrics worth 8mil?

JT Miller is making 8 mil and he had 99 pts 2 yrs ago , 82 pts last year and on pace for 110 pts this year.

Like I said, I'm fine if people want to value Kuzmenko with how he is playing now instead of what he did last year as long as we do the same for Lindholm.

Lindholms numbers continues to drop over the least 3 years. he is pacing for 50 pts this year.

He isnt the biggest fish available in market, id say thats Jake Geuntzel.

However, i still find him very valuable and would be happy to offer 1st and Bruz.

What i find comical though is the fact that Kuzmenko has as much goals as Lindholm despite being healthy scratched 4x and having a limited role yet for some reaosn apparently he has negative value.


Likely i think both players have way more value than is being perceived on HF.
 
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You won't be able to trade Kuzmenko for a 2nd without significant retention though, which would make the deal almost impossible.
They would trade him to a team that isn't a contender or isn't making playoffs. He wouldn't be a rental since he still has term and still young. Maybe a team like Columbus would get him or Habs. Teams will definitely pay a 2nd for him due to his potential and his skills. He has the ability to score but needs a right fit.
 
I think every single top team wants Lindholm not every team wanted Horvat. My jets need a 2c. Colorado wants a 2c. Vancouver wants him. That probably affects the price.
You don’t think there were teams interested in Horvat with the season he was having last year? I think it’s tough to compare a Lindholm trade to Horvat trade because the Isles clearly intended on re-signing Bo and gave up a potential top 15 pick to do so.

Calgary would be best served to find some bubble team that is interested in re-signing Elias and is willing to put their 1st on the line.
 
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Lindholm is an 8 million dollar player?

Are we trading for Lindholm as if he is still playing like Tkachuk and Gaudreau are with him?

Since when is 8 goals in 41 games with good defensive metrics worth 8mil?

JT Miller is making 8 mil and he had 99 pts 2 yrs ago , 82 pts last year and on pace for 110 pts this year.

Like I said, I'm fine if people want to value Kuzmenko with how he is playing now instead of what he did last year as long as we do the same for Lindholm.

Lindholms numbers continues to drop over the least 3 years. he is pacing for 50 pts this year.

He isnt the biggest fish available in market, id say thats Jake Geuntzel.

However, i still find him very valuable and would be happy to offer 1st and Bruz.

What i find comical though is the fact that Kuzmenko has as much goals as Lindholm despite being healthy scratched 4x and having a limited role yet for some reaosn apparently he has negative value.


Likely i think both players have way more value than is being perceived on HF.
Yeah I don't trust HFboard with how they gauge value for a player. Couple of years ago they wanted a 1st pick to be packaged with JT Miller because they thought he would be a cap dump due to his contract lol. Although Jake Guentzel is also intriguing and I heard rumours that is the player Canucks are targeting due to the Pittsburgh connection and Alvin knowing the player. He would be an ideal get if we don't go with the lotto line.

Guentzel-Pettersson-Mikheyev
Suter-Miller-Boeser
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Hoglander-Aman-Lafferty

Looks like a solid forward group with 2 super Duos on 2 lines
 
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To CGY
Hunter Brustewicz
Kuzmenko
2024 1st round pick

To Van
Lindholm


Canucks then extend Lindholm to a 7.5 x 7 contract

The trade would allow the Canucks to continue to deploy the lotto line and have Lindholm Centre the 2nd line with players like Mikhyaev, Hoglander, Suter etc.. or they can have extreme depth and have forward pairings of Boeser-Miller and Lindholm-Pettersson as their 1-2 lines....


For Calgary.

They get Hunter Brustewicz. 19 yr old top prospect Right Shot Dman. Currently leads the OHL in scoring. Plays in all situation for the Kitchener Rangers. His development has sky-rocketed since being draft by the Canucks. He has 119 pts in his last 108 OHL games.

Flames also get Andrei Kuzmenko who scored 39 goals and 74 points last season. This year he has been in the doghouse as he doesnt quite play the hard- nosed game that Toch is demanding from him. However Kuzy might just be the perfect trigger man to play along-side someone like Huberdeau. Kuzy is also still under contract next year. The Flames can allow him to shine offensively and could be part of the re-tool as he is only 27 yrs old. If not then the Flames can just flip him at this years trade deadline or next years trade deadline. For what its worth, there has been lots of reports that many many teams are interested in Kuzmenko, which would be great for the Flames if they plan on flipping him later....
I agree we need to bolster our centre depth but you can’t just assume the lotto line will always stay together. Do you seriously think we will never want petey to play centre again ?
 
Theres a rumor circulating that theres an offer on the table for him:

Greenway 2nd and 3rd for Kuzy.

This is a very ridiculous fantasy trade rumour.

Buffalo would like to add a couple more Greenways to their roster, not get rid of the only one they have (he is playing great). They would also like to shed their two current Kuzmenkos (Olofsson and Skinner).

Kuszmenko wouldn't even fit capwise (and before anyone replies with, "Sabres have 26M of free cap space!", please look closely and see who they have to resign and also notice that 40% of their roster is unsigned)
 
You don’t think there were teams interested in Horvat with the season he was having last year? I think it’s tough to compare a Lindholm trade to Horvat trade because the Isles clearly intended on re-signing Bo and gave up a potential top 15 pick to do so.

Calgary would be best served to find some bubble team that is interested in re-signing Elias and is willing to put their 1st on the line.
Horvat had a good season. If teams don’t get Lindholm they have to settle for Monahan.
 
. It doesn't have to be Vancouver, as a Flames fan I'd prefer to send him to Colorado. I'm sure if can be extended there will be tons of teams in on him. How often are top 6 Centers available?

All the time?

Isnt that how the Flames got Lindholm in the first place?

Others top 6 Centres on the top of my head that was traded:

Horvat
JT Miller
Reinhart
Tage Thompson
Eichel
Kadri
Verhague
Giroux
Oreily
etc.....
 
A lot of trade value? I think most fans think he can return a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Theres a rumor circulating that theres an offer on the table for him:

Greenway 2nd and 3rd for Kuzy.
Colour me skeptical. This makes ZERO sense.

First Buffalo has scoring, we don't have competent defense. So it seems unlikely we trade away one of the few defensively responsible players we have for something we have in excess. We also have probably the best skilled winger prospect pools in the league.

Second Adams JUST traded for Greenway last year and he has been good. It doesn't make any sense why he would want to trade him now.

Lastly, we traded a 2nd and a 5th for Greenway. So basically we are trading 2 2nds, a 3rd, and a 5th for this guy? A guy who would take up a spot on the roster that we don't have to spare, to provide something we don't need?

Yea someone is blowing smoke here.
 
Yeah I don't trust HFboard with how they gauge value for a player. Couple of years ago they wanted a 1st pick to be packaged with JT Miller because they thought he would be a cap dump due to his contract lol. Although Jake Guentzel is also intriguing and I heard rumours that is the player Canucks are targeting due to the Pittsburgh connection and Alvin knowing the player. He would be an ideal get if we don't go with the lotto line.

Guentzel-Pettersson-Mikheyev
Suter-Miller-Boeser
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Hoglander-Aman-Lafferty

Looks like a solid forward group with 2 super Duos on 2 lines
I think a potential Guentzel trade makes a lot more sense from a Canucks’ POV. The question is whether or not Pittsburgh decides to move him.
 
I think a potential Guentzel trade makes a lot more sense from a Canucks’ POV. The question is whether or not Pittsburgh decides to move him.
The problem is Pens are also in the mix to make the playoffs. So I guess we will see what they decide and where they are at deadline day. Both Lindholm and Guentzel will probably be last minute decisions on deadline day imo.
 
This is a very ridiculous fantasy trade rumour.

Buffalo would like to add a couple more Greenways to their roster, not get rid of the only one they have (he is playing great). They would also like to shed their two current Kuzmenkos (Olofsson and Skinner).

Kuszmenko wouldn't even fit capwise (and before anyone replies with, "Sabres have 26M of free cap space!", please look closely and see who they have to resign and also notice that 40% of their roster is unsigned)
Based on current rumours, Canucks are actually targeting 2 players now which are Guentzel (pens connection) and Greenway (big body at 6'6 and were interested in him before Sabres traded for him)

Greenway at 6'6 and being a rugged, big hitting forward would make Canucks a big and heavy team and tough to play against in playoffs. They would have 3 big bodies that hit and are rugged on each line with Miller on 1st line, Greenway on 2nd line and Joshua on 3rd line. Plus the big back end with Zadorov, Myers, Soucy, Juulsen and Cole.
 
Based on current rumours, Canucks are actually targeting 2 players now which are Guentzel (pens connection) and Greenway (big body at 6'6 and were interested in him before Sabres traded for him)

Greenway at 6'6 and being a rugged, big hitting forward would make Canucks a big and heavy team and tough to play against in playoffs. They would have 3 big bodies that hit and are rugged on each line with Miller on 1st line, Greenway on 2nd line and Joshua on 3rd line. Plus the big back end with Zadorov, Myers, Soucy, Juulsen and Cole.
I understand that Vancouver would very much love to add Greenway, (he has been outstanding this season for Buffalo in an otherwise very dismal year - best PK forward on the team, creates space for linemates, defensively sound in all situations)...

The problem is that the Sabres have zero interest in a player like Kuzmenko. They are filled with skilled forwards that lack physicality and defensive props, both on their team and on their farm. They also have a serious cap crunch coming the next two seasons.

This "rumor" was obviously created by a wishful thinking Vancouver fan. I have no comment on the hypothetical value, but I am telling you that this rumor is just somebody's wishful fiction.
 
Why didn't Canucks just move Kuzmenko earlier in the season or offseason? He had 39 Gs and would've fetched a decent return. Now he has the stench of being a problem child.
 
If Canucks trade for him then there has to be an agreement that he signs long term in Vancouver. Assuming we get rid of Kuzmenko to make cap space, he can be had for picks and prospects but that depends on if there is an agreement of him re- signing in Vancouver or not and how much he will be re-signing for.

That's probably not going to happen. There's going to be several teams inquiring on his services. I could see Conroy giving permission for GMs to feel out what a contract would look like with Lindy's agent but a guarantee is very unlikely.

They'll go with whoever offers the best package and for a division rival that package had better be very attractive. Fans don't want to hear it but there's always going to be risk acquiring a player in trade.
 
They would trade him to a team that isn't a contender or isn't making playoffs. He wouldn't be a rental since he still has term and still young. Maybe a team like Columbus would get him or Habs. Teams will definitely pay a 2nd for him due to his potential and his skills. He has the ability to score but needs a right fit.
Team's won't pay a 2nd for him without retention or cap coming back. They literally can't. Look at Capfriendly-- there are 4 teams with more than 5.5 mil in space - Nashville anaheim Buffalo Chicago. None of those teams are wasting a 2nd on an overpaid 27-year-old 2nd line winger. Montreal and Columbus have around 2-3 mil. The only team that could maaaybe take his salary is Nashville, but they're certainly not gonna give up a high pick when you have 0 leverage. Look what happened with Colmbus and Bjorkstrand.

If he had this type of positive value he'd be gone by now so you could upgrade. Your general arguments that "he has skill and ability" is not persuasive in the realities of a salary cap world.
 
All the time?

Isnt that how the Flames got Lindholm in the first place?

Others top 6 Centres on the top of my head that was traded:

Horvat
JT Miller
Reinhart
Tage Thompson
Eichel
Kadri
Verhague
Giroux
Oreily
etc.....
You listed a few guys who don't play C. Reinhart, Verhague, Giroux are all wingers. Thompson was a winger when he got traded. Miller was a winger when he got traded.

ROR requested a trade both times he was traded. Eichel requested a trade when he was traded.

Your list amounts to Kadri and Horvat.

Lindholm is an 8 million dollar player?

Are we trading for Lindholm as if he is still playing like Tkachuk and Gaudreau are with him?

Since when is 8 goals in 41 games with good defensive metrics worth 8mil?

JT Miller is making 8 mil and he had 99 pts 2 yrs ago , 82 pts last year and on pace for 110 pts this year.

Like I said, I'm fine if people want to value Kuzmenko with how he is playing now instead of what he did last year as long as we do the same for Lindholm.

Lindholms numbers continues to drop over the least 3 years. he is pacing for 50 pts this year.

He isnt the biggest fish available in market, id say thats Jake Geuntzel.

However, i still find him very valuable and would be happy to offer 1st and Bruz.

What i find comical though is the fact that Kuzmenko has as much goals as Lindholm despite being healthy scratched 4x and having a limited role yet for some reaosn apparently he has negative value.


Likely i think both players have way more value than is being perceived on HF.
Just so I have this straight. You don't think Lindholm will get a contract at 8M or higher? Do you genuinely not understand how Lindholm is worth more than Kuzmenko? I mean I can't believe you would be posting here and have that little of understanding about the sport.
 
He absolutely was. Vancouver apparently tried to move him during the offseason after the Isles failed to last season. It was only after Chicago had Hall go down for the season and Perry have his contract terminated that a team saw any value in him.


Vancouver retained 25% of Horvat’s $5.5M salary down to $4.125M pro-rated. Lindholm’s cap hit is $4.85M. Looks like a $725K difference.
I'm think Beauvillier is kind of a neutral cap hit. There's not a lot of value there, but not really negative value either. It would be like Mikhayev's cap hit. Is 725k a lot of difference in cap hit? It's less than league minimum.
 
The OP offer isn't bad. I think Vancity would have to add another pick or prospect though.

If Lindholm is traded, there will be a hole at centre to fill and there are no obvious candidates in Calgary's system at the moment.

Yes, Kuzmenko would be a good add, but we've got young Coronato and Pelletier to bring in and integrate. And that is on top of Zary and Pospisil who both are having very good rookie seasons.

This is why I feel any return for Lindy will have to include a returning centre, a #1 pick, and a defensive prospect. Hello Av's..
 
All the time?

Isnt that how the Flames got Lindholm in the first place?

Others top 6 Centres on the top of my head that was traded:

Horvat
JT Miller
Reinhart
Tage Thompson
Eichel
Kadri
Verhague
Giroux
Oreily
etc.....
Lindholm was a RW that occasionally played C at Carolina when we got him.
 
I'm think Beauvillier is kind of a neutral cap hit. There's not a lot of value there, but not really negative value either. It would be like Mikhayev's cap hit.
Fair enough. I would argue Kuz’ value isn’t far off of that but I can understand if you wouldn’t want him.

Is 725k a lot of difference in cap hit? It's less than league minimum.
Every dollar counts for most playoff teams.
 
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Fair enough. I would argue Kuz’ value isn’t far off of that but I can understand if you wouldn’t want him.


Every dollar counts for most playoff teams.
It's not far off. It's just a touch off. But the position he plays and the role he'd need (sheltered, offensively deployed) is a role we'd rather put guys like Zary, Coronato and Pelletier in. A guy like Mikhayev fits better because we wouldn't need to shelter him.

Every dollar does count, but here you're talking the remaining cap hit being less than 200k difference. It counts, but how much really?
 
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