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99.9% chance is good right???

Could defensive prospect Adam Fox give the Hurricanes the edge in the Calgary trade?

I don't like Waddell coming out and saying that he's that confident, but sounds like discussions have been had. The plan to sign him after his college season is up also matches up with what he said in his interview video on the Canes website yesterday.

We still have quite the logjam at RD though...even w/o TVR signed...
 
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spockrock said:
99.9% chance is good right???

Could defensive prospect Adam Fox give the Hurricanes the edge in the Calgary trade?

I don't like Waddell coming out and saying that he's that confident, but sounds like discussions have been had. The plan to sign him after his college season is up also matches up with what he said in his interview video on the Canes website yesterday.

We still have quite the logjam at RD though...even w/o TVR signed...
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Well if he's that confident and it doesn't go through than either Waddell or Fox is a liar. That's why I don't give a whole lot credit to that interview by Fox. When reporters stick a camera to your face people tend to say what they think you want to hear. It wouldn't be a first time a NCAA kid says he's going to sign only to go to free agency.

Flames also have baggage with unsigned defensemen wanting to go to play in NY. They traded Tim Erixon to Rangers after he refused to sign his ELC with Flames. So maybe Calgary was just playing it safe after Fox was rumored to want to play in NY and refused to sign his ELC 3 months ago.
 
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paragon said:
Well if he's that confident and it doesn't go through than either Waddell or Fox is a liar. That's why I don't give a whole lot credit to that interview by Fox. When reporters stick a camera to your face people tend to say what they think you want to hear. It wouldn't be a first time a NCAA kid says he's going to sign only to go to free agency.

Flames also have baggage with unsigned defensemen wanting to go to play in NY. They traded Tim Erixon to Rangers after he refused to sign his ELC with Flames. So maybe Calgary was just playing it safe after Fox was rumored to want to play in NY and refused to sign his ELC 3 months ago.
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Do you really think that’s Waddell is drawing his conclusion from an newspaper interview?

Waddell has been in constant communication with Fox’s family advisor. The Hurricanes have strong ties to Harvard. They just picked a teammate of his in the Draft. All of this is very highly organized.

It sounds lot more likely that Fox just didn’t want to go play in western Canada. The Canes offer a team with one of the top young pools of players in the league on the East Coast. The development curve of their NCAA recent alumni D speaks for itself (Dumoulin, Faulk, Pesce, Slavin, Martin). A lot to like for a young defenseman.
 
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No, I'm saying that Waddell might say he's 99.9% when he in reality has no reason to be so confident. GMs lie to the media all the time, it's part of the job description, so it's not a strech to call him a liar anyway.

Also if I'm Fox I would definitely go to free agency. He's already planning on playing the whole season for Harvard. After that it makes no sense to just sign with Carolina no matter how much you like the org. I think someone said in this thread that it would eliminate a year from his ELC, but that's not really a point, since his ELC would be only 2 years if he goes to free agency. It would be better to take the Vesey route and see everything that is on the table. If his advisers aren't telling him that, he needs new advisers.

With all that said I still hopes he signs with the Hurricanes.
 
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And just to illustrate my point, since it is relevant to this thread.

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No what you just linked verifies the truth of the Hamilton deal. Carolina said that Calgary didn’t make Hamilton available until the night of the Draft - the day after this tweet. The inclusion of Hamilton for Hanifin was necessary to get the deal eventually done.

So, in fact, Calgary was not willing to part with Hamilton at that point and Treliving was telling the truth.
 
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No what you just linked verifies the truth of the Hamilton deal. Carolina said that Calgary didn’t make Hamilton available until the night of the Draft - the day after this tweet. The inclusion of Hamilton for Hanifin was necessary to get the deal eventually done.

So, in fact, Calgary was not willing to part with Hamilton at that point and Treliving was telling the truth.
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Don't be so naive. You really believe Hamilton was unavailable and all the rumors were false? That the sources the Calgary Flames beat writer had were lying to her? Please. I could get you tons of similar examples just like this. GMs do it all the time and they have to do it. If you read the recent Evander Kane's article he said he requested a trade every off season in Winnipeg and yet all you could hear from the org was that everything is fine.

Imagine what it would do to Fox's trade value, if Waddell instead of saying what he said gave this reply to media. "Well we spoke to Fox's camp and they were adamant that he's going to play the season in Harvard and then pursue free agency and nothing is going to make him change his mind."

Again, I'm not saying that is the case, but no GM would ever tell the truth if it was, so they don't tank the trade value. You cant' take anything these guys say at face value.
 
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Don't be so naive. You really believe Hamilton was unavailable and all the rumors were false? That the sources the Calgary Flames beat writer had were lying to her? Please. I could get you tons of similar examples just like this. GMs do it all the time and they have to do it. If you read the recent Evander Kane's article he said he requested a trade every off season in Winnipeg and yet all you could hear from the org was that everything is fine.

Imagine what it would do to Fox's trade value, if Waddell instead of saying what he said gave this reply to media. "Well we spoke to Fox's camp and they were adamant that he's going to play the season in Harvard and then pursue free agency and nothing is going to make him change his mind."

Again, I'm not saying that is the case, but no GM would ever tell the truth if it was, so they don't tank the trade value. You cant' take anything these guys say at face value.
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You make a good point about GMs not being 100% transparent. It’s certainly part of the job. I wish Waddell had kept his mouth shut in this instance about putting a percentage or whatever to what he thinks is going to happen.

There’s certainly the chance that Fox plays out his last 2 seasons at Harvard and tells CAR to piss off. I certainly think there’s a much greater than .1% chance of that happening. However, the kid has made the point he wants to get to the league ASAP. My thoughts are CAR management will do everything in their power to make that happen prior to him possibly hitting UFA after 2 years.

I’m not that worried about it at the moment. He’s going back for his junior season, that’s fine. If he says he’s going back for his senior season next April, time to deal the kids rights. Unfortunately, due to the current rules with college players, all we can do is wait and see.
 
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No, I'm saying that Waddell might say he's 99.9% when he in reality has no reason to be so confident. GMs lie to the media all the time, it's part of the job description, so it's not a strech to call him a liar anyway.

Also if I'm Fox I would definitely go to free agency. He's already planning on playing the whole season for Harvard. After that it makes no sense to just sign with Carolina no matter how much you like the org. I think someone said in this thread that it would eliminate a year from his ELC, but that's not really a point, since his ELC would be only 2 years if he goes to free agency. It would be better to take the Vesey route and see everything that is on the table. If his advisers aren't telling him that, he needs new advisers.

With all that said I still hopes he signs with the Hurricanes.
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The UFA day for college player is August 16th and being 22 at time he would serve the 2 years ELC. Signing the 2 year ELC in spring 2020 (or the 3 year ELC in spring 2019) would allow him to burn a year off the ELC and be RFA in 2021 instead of the 2022 which it will be if he goes the UFA route.

Re: mony, he can get the $1.775M AAV package now if he signs ($925k Salary + $850k max Schedule A Performance Bonuses). He probably would unlock some of the $212.5k bonus categories to actually get the money.

Going UFA and the bidding contest, he can get the $2M Schedule B Performance Bonus on his SPC and the $3.775M AAV to brag about, but like with Vesey he won't actually see any of that money on his bank account on account of not being the world-burner League top 10 Defender he would need to be to unlock the $2M.

And I would mock him like I mock Vesey for being a Cap anchor.

Going UFA is only good for if you want to go to a specific team.
 
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paragon said:
Don't be so naive. You really believe Hamilton was unavailable and all the rumors were false? That the sources the Calgary Flames beat writer had were lying to her? Please. I could get you tons of similar examples just like this. GMs do it all the time and they have to do it. If you read the recent Evander Kane's article he said he requested a trade every off season in Winnipeg and yet all you could hear from the org was that everything is fine.

Imagine what it would do to Fox's trade value, if Waddell instead of saying what he said gave this reply to media. "Well we spoke to Fox's camp and they were adamant that he's going to play the season in Harvard and then pursue free agency and nothing is going to make him change his mind."

Again, I'm not saying that is the case, but no GM would ever tell the truth if it was, so they don't tank the trade value. You cant' take anything these guys say at face value.
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And one more thing I just thought of...I thought the holdup was the inclusion of Fox. Hamilton and Bennett were on the table, but I thought I read/heard somewhere that CAR really wanted Fox, but before making him available, the CAL GM wanted to check one last time in potentially signing him. He got the same news he had, that Fox was not going to sign in CAL or wasn’t going to sign anytime soon, so he was then willing that include Fox in the deal.

I might be adding a little to different narratives there, but after reading the behind the scenes article in the Athletic with the Canes, it seems like CAR scouts were and are really, really high on Fox.
 
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I might be adding a little to different narratives there, but after reading the behind the scenes article in the Athletic with the Canes, it seems like CAR scouts were and are really, really high on Fox.
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I know it's only a prospects scrimmage, but after watching Fox and Bean together (and Martin too), we've got some gems there. Today, Bean and Fox were the best defenders on the ice (because they added offense). Martin was the best pure defender out there. He's so good at keeping his man outside and not giving up scoring chances. Fox found Bean (twice I think) with cross ice passes for scores and found Geekie once with the same type of play. Tough to tell his skating acumen, but his passing and vision seemed world class.
 
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Hey Canes fans. Someone posted something about a Lindholm or Hanifin Dogge meme they found on twitter. Does anyone have any insight into what this meme is all about? (I can't seem to find the source post)

Because I doubt our fanbase would keep it up, and I personally feel that it would be a waste not to do a symbolic passing of the torch to begin a new era of Dogge Hamilton memes.
 
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Hey Canes fans. Someone posted something about a Lindholm or Hanifin Dogge meme they found on twitter. Does anyone have any insight into what this meme is all about? (I can't seem to find the source post)

Because I doubt our fanbase would keep it up, and I personally feel that it would be a waste not to do a symbolic passing of the torch to begin a new era of Dogge Hamilton memes.
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I have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.
 
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This is Hey Duggee- he watches a cadre of diverse little animals and helps them earn merit badges and stuff. I feel that there is a lot of potential for photoshops with Dougie Hamilton and museums here but I don't think I'm the one to do it
 
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