Speculation: Lindholm back to Rogle of SHL?

[Ducks DVM]

You don't think the cap will go up in the next 8 years? The Ducks are foolish if they think Lindholm will sign an 8 year deal worth less than $6M per.

Considering the amount of talk that the economy is still at risk at entering a recession and how little the Cap has budged in 4 years, I'm very comfortable saying that the NHL is going to make contract plans assuming that any increase will be negligible, yes.

I'd agree that he's probably unwilling to sign an 8 year contract at that price. The reports have stated that the Ducks are more interested in comparables that are 6 year contracts, however, which is an entirely different discussion.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Apparently I skipped over Nashville.

I agree with you about Stralman (hence the ? next to his name), but I know people on here love him.

Here's the updated list. Lindholm may not be in the top 15, but he's definitely in the top 20.

OEL
Giordano
Faulk
Keith
Ekblad
Doughty
Suter
Weber
McDonagh
Karlsson
Letang
Burns
Pietrangelo
Hedman
Subban
Josi

Fully realizing what a loaded question this is, if Lindholm was undeniably and inarguably amongst the 20 best defensemen in the league, why wasn't he on the ice in the recently concluded All-Star tournament?

 

[Gsus]

Stupid thread. Everyone knows he's playing in the NHL this year. Means nothing to train with your youth team. Armia did the same with Ässät this summer.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Fully realizing what a loaded question this is, if Lindholm was undeniably and inarguably amongst the 20 best defensemen in the league, why wasn't he on the ice in the recently concluded All-Star tournament?

Maybe i am misremembering, but wasnt it broken down by Division? If he was the 5th best in his division but say 19th overall, he wouldnt have made it.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Maybe i am misremembering, but wasnt it broken down by Division? If he was the 5th best in his division but say 19th overall, he wouldnt have made it.

I meant the World Cup of Hockey. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek saying that there needs to be quite a few more Swedish defenseman on that top 20 list if Lindholm couldn't get on the ice for it.

 

[KeepItDeep]

RFAs aren't holdouts. They aren't under contract. Both sides are equally responsible in that they have not reached an agreement on a contract.

Once a club offers a contract(s), and the RFA refuses to sign, aren't they then considered a holdout?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Please clarify.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Once a club offers a contract(s), and the RFA refuses to sign, aren't they then considered a holdout?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Please clarify.

Technically a holdout is a player who has a signed contract but who refuses to report to camp because he wants the contract reworked (can't be done under the NHL CBA) or a trade. For all intensive purposes, this is the same net effect though.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

They'd probably pay him more than the cheap ass Ducks so can't blame the guy. If you really can't afford him trade Perry or Getzlaf and replace with younger/cheaper players and sign Hampus.

They'd be a team on the decline without him struggling to make the playoffs. Probably a contender to win it all if they give him a full camp and let him continue his progression.

 

[KeepItDeep]

Technically a holdout is a player who has a signed contract but who refuses to report to camp because he wants the contract reworked (can't be done under the NHL CBA) or a trade. For all intensive purposes, this is the same net effect though.

I didn't know about that technical definition. Thanks for the heads up.

But honestly, then the word is being used wrong by fans, media, agents, management, and players alike. It's been a hell of a long time since there's been a true holdout player. Like Yashin long time, if I'm not mistaken. I guess it could arcanely be applied to Scotty Nieds, but him not reporting to camp was approved by the club, and had nothing to do with wanting more money.

What is the proper term for a player who refuses to sign a contract offer because he wants more ($, term, bonuses, NMC's, etc.)?

(and yes, I've opened the door wide to wise guys)

 

[Paul4587]

Fully realizing what a loaded question this is, if Lindholm was undeniably and inarguably amongst the 20 best defensemen in the league, why wasn't he on the ice in the recently concluded All-Star tournament?

Well this is the same team that didn't pick Hedman for the last Olympics. And who picked Kronwall over Lindholm and Klingberg in the first place.

 

[gretskidoo]

Well this is the same team that didn't pick Hedman for the last Olympics. And who picked Kronwall over Lindholm and Klingberg in the first place.

The people currently in charge of our national teams are certainly awful.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Well this is the same team that didn't pick Hedman for the last Olympics. And who picked Kronwall over Lindholm and Klingberg in the first place.

Agreed, my follow up did say it was somewhat tongue in cheek.

He didn't do anything to make a case for playing time with the ice time he did get though, which goes to my my point about consistency still being an issue. A top 20 guy would have left zero doubt that he should be playing.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I didn't know about that technical definition. Thanks for the heads up.

But honestly, then the word is being used wrong by fans, media, agents, management, and players alike. It's been a hell of a long time since there's been a true holdout player. Like Yashin long time, if I'm not mistaken. I guess it could arcanely be applied to Scotty Nieds, but him not reporting to camp was approved by the club, and had nothing to do with wanting more money.

What is the proper term for a player who refuses to sign a contract offer because he wants more ($, term, bonuses, NMC's, etc.)?

(and yes, I've opened the door wide to wise guys)

It can pretty much be used for both at this point, I think the definition has shifted over the decades. Or possibly based on which source you use.

 

[Runner77]

Stupid thread. Everyone knows he's playing in the NHL this year. Means nothing to train with your youth team. Armia did the same with Ässät this summer.

I'm not sure what everyone knows about Lindholm, his name appears in 6 threads on page one of the list of threads. Clearly, we don't know enough.

 

[NORiculous]

Rogle logo looks very Oilers like. Lindholm to Oilers confirmed.

this is what this "speculation" is like.

That's almost copyright infringement! ÃŽm no expert tho.

 

[CherryToke]

I've been questioning BM's move's for a while now. Handing out horrible contracts on a budget team with pending RFA's on the horizon is a recipe for disaster. And his trades suck too.

 

[dracom]

I've been questioning BM's move's for a while now. Handing out horrible contracts on a budget team with pending RFA's on the horizon is a recipe for disaster. And his trades suck too.

He's had good trades and bad trades, just like every other GM out there.

 

[Nordic*]

Lindholm isn't a top-20 defenceman in the NHL, don't be ridic.

He could be as soon as the end of this season, but hasn't proven it yet.

He wasn't even the clear cut #1 in Anaheim last season - heck, he hardly even had more icetime than Vatanen who is hardly even in the top-50s.

 

[Vipers31]

I've been questioning BM's move's for a while now. Handing out horrible contracts on a budget team with pending RFA's on the horizon is a recipe for disaster. And his trades suck too.

Huh? He has bad ones, but overall his trades are solid, at the very least.

 

[Gargyn]

OEL, Doughty, Burns, Klingberg, Giordano, Brodie, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Subban, Josi, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, Weber, Karlsson, McDonagh, Letang, Carlson, Faulk, Ekblad, Hedman, Stralman, Byfuglien off top of my head are better and more established. Not 20 easily thats for sure.

 

[dracom]

OEL, Doughty, Burns, Klingberg, Giordano, Brodie, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Subban, Josi, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, Weber, Karlsson, McDonagh, Letang, Carlson, Faulk, Ekblad, Hedman, Stralman, Byfuglien off top of my head are better and more established. Not 20 easily thats for sure.

Those three are more established and better than Lindholm how exactly? They put up more points? There's more to being a good defensemen than getting points you know.

 

[Paul4587]

Lindholm isn't a top-20 defenceman in the NHL, don't be ridic.

He could be as soon as the end of this season, but hasn't proven it yet.

He wasn't even the clear cut #1 in Anaheim last season - heck, he hardly even had more icetime than Vatanen who is hardly even in the top-50s.

Name 50 better defensemen than Vatanen last season.

 

[Vipers31]

OEL, Doughty, Burns, Klingberg, Giordano, Brodie, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Subban, Josi, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, Weber, Karlsson, McDonagh, Letang, Carlson, Faulk, Ekblad, Hedman, Stralman, Byfuglien off top of my head are better and more established. Not 20 easily thats for sure.

If you have Seabrook in there, it's evident you're just going by name recognition. He doesn't belong close to that conversation at this point, unless we're selecting a fantasy hockey team.

I do agree that Lindholm is not easily top-20, though.

 

[Ducks DVM]

If you have Seabrook in there, it's evident you're just going by name recognition. He doesn't belong close to that conversation at this point, unless we're selecting a fantasy hockey team.

I do agree that Lindholm is not easily top-20, though.

The other thing is that it's not just who's clearly better than Lindholm, it's also who is Lindholm clearly better than. There's a goodly number of players outside that 20 who have flaws preventing them from being in that elite group at this point, and how you weight different aspects of their play will determine where you rank them.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

OEL, Doughty, Burns, Klingberg, Giordano, Brodie, Suter, Keith, Seabrook, Subban, Josi, Pietrangelo, Ristolainen, Weber, Karlsson, McDonagh, Letang, Carlson, Faulk, Ekblad, Hedman, Stralman, Byfuglien off top of my head are better and more established. Not 20 easily thats for sure.

Klingberg ekblad risto aren't better the hampus