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Vipers31
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Hysteria when both players aren't signed. I think it's worth a thread and a discussion mate
robbieboy3686
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Raks bridge deal " fair " would be 2 years 4.25 million... long term 6/21million
Lindholm bridge deal " fair" 2 years 10 million and long term "fair" 6 years 34.5 million
Both players will sign with anaheim, BM will get both long term , Cam fowler will find a new home out east as a result.
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Vipers31
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Hysteria when both players aren't signed. I think it's worth a thread and a discussion mate
There has already been threads, and discussion. Asking if we can "help" the big Canadian teams is just trying to stir stuff up.
WesMcCauley
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Rakell is very comparable to JT MIller who just signed a 2 year bridge with AAV of 2,75 mil.
Lindholm is already a proven top pair player. He should get longterm 6-6,5 and i dont see how anyone can say otherwise. Damn impressive player, great stats, plays tons of minutes etc. Already very proven because he has been damn good all 3 seasons he has been in the league. You dont bridge young top pair defensemen.... If you do, you end up with Subban like contracts which is market value. Lock them up early so you dont have to pay them market value in 2 years.
robbieboy3686
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I listed " fair pricing " I agree that's what they should get if they get a good deal for themselves, but bargain bob will low ball slightly and get the orginization a better deal imo, also, since we want to sign them long term, the bridge deal offers should be bad, so players chose to just suck it up and sign long term edit , didn't mean to list lindholm at 8 million, meant to put 10
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wintersej
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Much like the Trouba threads didn't start making a little bit of sense until Jets fans realized that Trouba was out, this thread won't until there is a reason to think one of these guys is on the way out. While I think it's 99% certain that Lindholm will be staying put, I think that even the Ducks are leaving the option open that he won't be. Otherwise, they would have traded Fowler long ago. Them still holding on to Fowler is going to leave them getting crap value for Fowler with their backs against the wall part way into training camp. They would have moved Fowler earlier if they were 100% sure they were keeping Lindholm.
robbieboy3686
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BM has many players he can move out to clear up space, us duck fans all use fowler because he holds the most value, he hasn't been traded yet because we had no idea if someone like eckblad would be over paid, setting market price very high, or on flip side , the summer saw very favorable deals for orginizations in which case BM would find a way to keep them all, ducks aren't desperate , BM would simply say if he had to move out salary he could move out a player like cogliano to clear a few million off the books. Fowlers value imo is actually even higher seeing how all dmen are being paid so well.
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Liferleafer
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Help Toronto? From what the price on Trouba is for us....i can't imagine what Lindholm/Rakell would cost us....but i'm listening. ...
.That's a good point. And likely both are looking for in the ball park. But if both won't sign we need to make a move. That's why I made the thread for discussion on both players.
If it's a combo deal bringing back value for value I'm all for it.
Liferleafer
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And we should be listening as well at this point. Whats the offer on JVR even when you guys are in on Trouba
Liferleafer
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I put this in the Trouba thread:
To Jets:
Gardiner+2nd
To Leafs:
Trouba
THEN
To Ducks:
JVR retained 50%
To Leafs:
Fowler plus something for the retention.
That would allow the Ducks some cap space to sign RFAs.
Problem 1: Leafs fans don't like the thought of dealing JVR.
Problem 2: Jets fans have valued Trouba higher than Jesus himself.
Cousin Eddie
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Makes no difference what Jets fans value Trouba at, but if Chevy was open to Gardiner and a 2nd for Trouba then the Leafs would jump on this immediately and it would have been done a while ago.
Funny that you complain about Jets fans valuations and then propose JVR, Gardiner and a second for Fowler and Trouba.
Liferleafer
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I doubt many Ducks fans would complain about JVR at 50% for Fowler. It fills their LW need as well as gives them cap space for RFAs. I also have no doubt that Jets fans will hate every possible proposal for Trouba as he seems to be this generation's Bobby Orr.
This is good value. I would like other fans opinions on this when they wake up. It's 5:30 am pst. But this is a solid trade if I have ever seen one on these boards IMO.
Still doesn't solve Rakell and Lindholm issues but I would take it.
Edit: even with the 50% retained I still have a gut feeling we can't afford Lindholm and Rakell
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Don't think it's that farfetched. All 3 players are under contract in the deal leaving Trouba not. So? Is it really that bad? It makes sense for all 3 teams
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Money and assets don't make sense for Anaheim.
I think we're looking more at...
Jost
Bigras/Zadorov
2nd
Iggy (Retained to balance both team's salaries)
That's at least what I imagine Lindholm costing, he's really good. Just not sure he's that good for the Avs.
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